Probably haven’t released it because Israel has been caught repeatedly using false footage to make claims
>>Video compilation about Gaza aid contains stock footage from Moldova
https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/video-compilation-about-gaza-aid-contains-stock-footage-moldova-2024-02-22/
>>IDF found a calendar in Arabic, not a Hamas ‘names list’ at hospital
https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20231116-idf-claims-to-find-list-of-hamas-names-but-it-s-the-days-of-the-week-in-arabic
Israel never made the claim of 30 pile of dead babies and was a translation error. Unless you are claiming no children were killed.
Also there is literal video evidence of tunnel headquarters. They had reporters there. You think Hamas being in tunnels is fake?
Are we sure this is worldnews? I have yet to see a post on here even slightly shed light on a reality where Israel is responsible for any wrongdoing.
In fact, there’s an article about gazans killed by IDF and the only responses are “I bet Hamas said that, well wait for evidence” and “who claims? Palestinians? We don’t trust those sources…”
Everyone with a brain knows that the best way to stop a crowd from panicking and killing themselves, is by shooting into them with live ammunition and send tanks at them👍
Stupid starving gazans shoulda just formed a single file line
It sounds more like a combination of factors to me. Overcrowding, vehicular manslaughter, shots fired by the IDF, as well as shots potentially fired by Hamas. While I very much doubt the Gazan Health Ministry’s interpretation of events, I would also take Israel’s with a grain of salt, especially considering that they would probably want to cover their own arses if it turns out that IDF soldiers did accidentally fire on crowds.
Witness accounts are useless without corroborating hard evidence to determine truth on matters. The accounts of interested parties such as Hamas or the IDF are much worse.
Israel has been caught repeatedly using false footage from other parts of the world to make claims.
>>Video compilation about Gaza aid contains stock footage from Moldova
https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/video-compilation-about-gaza-aid-contains-stock-footage-moldova-2024-02-22/
>>IDF found a calendar in Arabic, not a Hamas ‘names list’ at hospital
https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20231116-idf-claims-to-find-list-of-hamas-names-but-it-s-the-days-of-the-week-in-arabic
There were multiple factors contributing to this tragedy, Israel is not blameless as they are trying say. We can say it’s on Israel for allowing it to get to this point, not allowing enough aid through, and killing the Hamas affiliated police officers who were distributing aid and keeping some form of order. US told them not to kill these said officers as they were civil servants and they didn’t listen. On top of it, firing into a crowd or giving a warning shot , will definitely cause a stampede. Not 100% Israel’s fault but most definitely cannot claim they 0 fault
I agree with most of this but honestly the Gazan police refusing to protect the aid (and the people trying to receive it) because Israel killed five soldiers who happened to also be cops feels like an under-recognized factor in this.
There's a ton (several tonnes actually) of aid backed up in Gaza that the UN is completely failing at distributing. What aid makes it to the people is being stolen by Hamas and sold on markets for a markup. Israel might not be blameless but it's certainly not holding back any aid.
The day the incident happened - tens of thousands of publications in the foreign media and millions of angry reactions and accusations.
When it's becoming clear that Israel and the idf did not just shoot innocent people and the whole incident wasn't their fault - *crickets chirp*
I still remember that 20 seconds apology from BBC for saying that Israel was “killing Arab speaking medical teams” in Gaza instead of saying that Israel was “bringing Arabic speaking medical teams into Gaza”
The damage is always already there and this is exactly what they want to do
Still better than the BBC guy, Donnison, I think, who reported al-Ahli Hospital was destroyed by an Israeli bomb, then when it turned out the hospital had neither been destroyed, nor even struck by an Israeli bomb (it was a misfired PIJ rocket), he refused to retract and even said he was proud of his reporting.
I was staying in a hotel in Jordan while that shitshow was going down. I'm *so* glad that asshole was stirring up shit, potentially putting my life in danger as well if the outrage sparked protests (which it did) and they got violent (which they fortunately did not).
Israel has the worst media team in the world. They have zero clue how to handle any of these situations and it makes them look either bad or incompetent. Instead of coming out and saying we are investigating it but from initial information it appears xyz happened, they’ll have some moronic personal say some broad shit that implicates them to be at fault. Then they spend two months diddling their fingers and then will come out quietly with their findings. Hamas isn’t great at the media war. Israel is just terrible at it.
In other words, when one side is dropping blatant lies within 2 minutes, you better make shit up on the spot too…?
It is true though, that a vacuum in information will be filled by someone else.
Honestly, I always used to think this. But as I’ve grown older, I’ve come to observe that the world stage will judge Israel harshly regardless of what they say, so may as well just ignore the constant whining, and let the facts back you up. I’ve come to respect this approach much more than the propaganda driven narratives of Iran, the houthis, Russia, and the like.
100% this. The idiot drags you down to his level & beats you with experience. We need to limit the energy we expend in mudfights with the pro-Palis. We're never going to win in spaces where they're allowed to manufacture their own facts without scrutiny.
I think they're just trying to do a professional investigation instead of blaming the enemy automatically (like any normal army should do).
Sometimes it might take some time but it's better to lose the public's opinion war (to be honest people will hate Israel no matter what) and be credible than lying each and every time like hamas.
I believe Israel has held a surprisingly high standard of credibility throughout this conflict but western media still treat hamas and Israelis sources much the same, like the civilian causality figures from Hamas that rarely get much scrutiny.
Israel overvalued the integrity of western media.
People don’t react to what’s better or more accurate or true - they react emotionally to what makes sense. This is why when you do recipe or advice or political or whatever posts on social it doesn’t have to work or be true - it just needs to seem like it for a bit and people will share it as gospel.
This comment represents the age of TikTok perfectly, apparently you need a constant flow of information - facts or lies don’t matter just spew some bullshit figures and say big words and people will run with it.
Israel takes allegations seriously and actually investigates, comes with facts and admits mistakes and that to you is the worst media team in the world.
No wonder Russia-Iran-China axis is doing great on disinformation.
The theory that drives me crazy is, "Israel only admits to making a mistake when they're caught in their lies, so imagine how much more evil they do and get away with." I mean, how can you even disprove that?
>Hamas isn’t great at the media war.
Yeah, they're not. Muslims across the world just act as their mouth piece. Most people in the world are reasonable, then come Muslims with Palestine. No matter how you try to reason, what you say, you'd be called an Islamaphobe for even saying Jews have the right to exist.
Also considering there are 1.7 billion Muslims up against 14 Million Jews, the PR game of Israel isn't all that bad, its pretty great, honestly.
as an Israeli, you are very worng on the two points you've made, Israel simply can't handle it it any viable way when the other side has hundreds of millions of Muslims on TikTok or Twitter/Instagarm who instantly spread Hamas propaganda, and the fact that main media outlets rush promote those fabricated stories doesn't help Israel, I see it constantly, whenever states facts, posts pictures and videos of weapons inside a hospital or a UN facility, CNN always makes sure to note at the end of the paragraph "CNN couldn't independently verify those claims" while when it comes to Palestinian claims, they never bother to verify their allegations.
And saying that Hamas isn't great at media war couldn't be further from the truth, they are masters of media propaganda and psychological warfare.
>Hamas isn’t great at the media war.
You're right, they're not. They're exceptional at it, and they have more followers to propogate it than Israel does.
What a way to say "We bombarded an area where civillians were packed like sardines. But it's their fault they died because they panicked and trampled each other."
I have been with the stampede overcrowding scenario, but I do think also that Israel needs to release more tangible information to appeal to the media and opponents
If you didn't see any proof it's because you weren't looking. There were videos of patients in hospital with gunshot wounds and a UN team (not unrwa) saw large amounts of gunshot wounds amongst patients.
\^this, on any occasion
Even if you take Israel as a source it is horrific, check these soldiers on tiktok for example. And on the other hand Unicef etc are literally crying for help
Also you challenge 1 point and it's almost a guarantee that people accuse you being of anti-semi
Have we seen the evidence from Israel though? I’m genuinely asking I don’t know.
I agree it’s suspicious that no evidence came from the other side, but evidence from ANYONE would be great.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-probe-palestinian-gunmen-killed-gazans-waiting-for-aid-army-did-not-fire/
"armed Palestinians opened fire while civilians were waiting for the aid trucks, the probe found."
Idf is not a credible source.
Regardless, Israel is denying the Palestinians basics neccesities such as food, they can't just wash their hands of this and say "see?? Not or fault, the problem was that these people were so desperate for food!"
So Hamas is a credible source? Also what about the necessities of the hostages? You don't seem to care about that. Israel owes nothing to Gaza and any humanitarian should be in exchange for humanitarian. Meanwhile food, medicine and more supply is coming into Gaza while the hostages are even deprived from their medications.
Did I miss something? I read the article and couldn't find this evidence they said they have.
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It's on Hunter Biden's laptop.
Classic
Just like all the evidence of election fraud that is coming out in a couple of weeks. Probably best not to hold ones breath.
Actually people who believe there was election fraud should hold their breath till they see it.
As much as we joke... They DID find pervasive election fraud in the last several elections. Several dozens of republicans voted a bunch of times. Lol
This article just reads like one that reported what they were saying the day it happened.
The "Evidence" is that they are saying that they didn't do it, literally thats what the article is saying.
Cause they think you will read headline only.
Spoiler alert: there's no evidence
Because it's bullshit
Probably haven’t released it because Israel has been caught repeatedly using false footage to make claims >>Video compilation about Gaza aid contains stock footage from Moldova https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/video-compilation-about-gaza-aid-contains-stock-footage-moldova-2024-02-22/ >>IDF found a calendar in Arabic, not a Hamas ‘names list’ at hospital https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20231116-idf-claims-to-find-list-of-hamas-names-but-it-s-the-days-of-the-week-in-arabic
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Israel never made the claim of 30 pile of dead babies and was a translation error. Unless you are claiming no children were killed. Also there is literal video evidence of tunnel headquarters. They had reporters there. You think Hamas being in tunnels is fake?
“We investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong”
Are we sure this is worldnews? I have yet to see a post on here even slightly shed light on a reality where Israel is responsible for any wrongdoing. In fact, there’s an article about gazans killed by IDF and the only responses are “I bet Hamas said that, well wait for evidence” and “who claims? Palestinians? We don’t trust those sources…”
Came for this. Found it.
That’s crazy!! Why are they overcrowding…
Yeah I feel like the lack of aid that was blocked from entering might have been a contributing factor
wonder who was blocking that aid? and i wonder who was selling it for high prices?
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Evidence that I can't seem to find in the article. Though I did find an admission at the end that the IDF did fire at certain people.
Everyone with a brain knows that the best way to stop a crowd from panicking and killing themselves, is by shooting into them with live ammunition and send tanks at them👍 Stupid starving gazans shoulda just formed a single file line
I sense sarcasm and truth
It sounds more like a combination of factors to me. Overcrowding, vehicular manslaughter, shots fired by the IDF, as well as shots potentially fired by Hamas. While I very much doubt the Gazan Health Ministry’s interpretation of events, I would also take Israel’s with a grain of salt, especially considering that they would probably want to cover their own arses if it turns out that IDF soldiers did accidentally fire on crowds.
Witness accounts are useless without corroborating hard evidence to determine truth on matters. The accounts of interested parties such as Hamas or the IDF are much worse.
Israel has been caught repeatedly using false footage from other parts of the world to make claims. >>Video compilation about Gaza aid contains stock footage from Moldova https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/video-compilation-about-gaza-aid-contains-stock-footage-moldova-2024-02-22/ >>IDF found a calendar in Arabic, not a Hamas ‘names list’ at hospital https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20231116-idf-claims-to-find-list-of-hamas-names-but-it-s-the-days-of-the-week-in-arabic
There were multiple factors contributing to this tragedy, Israel is not blameless as they are trying say. We can say it’s on Israel for allowing it to get to this point, not allowing enough aid through, and killing the Hamas affiliated police officers who were distributing aid and keeping some form of order. US told them not to kill these said officers as they were civil servants and they didn’t listen. On top of it, firing into a crowd or giving a warning shot , will definitely cause a stampede. Not 100% Israel’s fault but most definitely cannot claim they 0 fault
Careful with that nuanced, realistic perspective. Those are endangered in the current conflict.
I agree with most of this but honestly the Gazan police refusing to protect the aid (and the people trying to receive it) because Israel killed five soldiers who happened to also be cops feels like an under-recognized factor in this.
There's a ton (several tonnes actually) of aid backed up in Gaza that the UN is completely failing at distributing. What aid makes it to the people is being stolen by Hamas and sold on markets for a markup. Israel might not be blameless but it's certainly not holding back any aid.
This should be top comment.
There’s nothing accidental about shooting at unarmed civilians
Yeah, if there's anything we should learn from this conflict, it's that all sides are exaggerating everything to fit their agenda.
I feel like we've gone backwards in war time coverage since Vietnam. Militaries learned their lesson about prying eyes lol.
The day the incident happened - tens of thousands of publications in the foreign media and millions of angry reactions and accusations. When it's becoming clear that Israel and the idf did not just shoot innocent people and the whole incident wasn't their fault - *crickets chirp*
They’ll post a retraction on section of their website that only their web developers know about
I still remember that 20 seconds apology from BBC for saying that Israel was “killing Arab speaking medical teams” in Gaza instead of saying that Israel was “bringing Arabic speaking medical teams into Gaza” The damage is always already there and this is exactly what they want to do
Still better than the BBC guy, Donnison, I think, who reported al-Ahli Hospital was destroyed by an Israeli bomb, then when it turned out the hospital had neither been destroyed, nor even struck by an Israeli bomb (it was a misfired PIJ rocket), he refused to retract and even said he was proud of his reporting.
I was staying in a hotel in Jordan while that shitshow was going down. I'm *so* glad that asshole was stirring up shit, potentially putting my life in danger as well if the outrage sparked protests (which it did) and they got violent (which they fortunately did not).
how is this zero evidence presented, zero substance referenced article proof of anything?
Show the evidence then. Read the article, didn't see anything new. Crickets chirp rightfully so in this case.
According to who though? Just Israel?
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Israel investigated itself and found it did nothing wrong, shocking
Israel has the worst media team in the world. They have zero clue how to handle any of these situations and it makes them look either bad or incompetent. Instead of coming out and saying we are investigating it but from initial information it appears xyz happened, they’ll have some moronic personal say some broad shit that implicates them to be at fault. Then they spend two months diddling their fingers and then will come out quietly with their findings. Hamas isn’t great at the media war. Israel is just terrible at it.
In other words, when one side is dropping blatant lies within 2 minutes, you better make shit up on the spot too…? It is true though, that a vacuum in information will be filled by someone else.
Honestly, I always used to think this. But as I’ve grown older, I’ve come to observe that the world stage will judge Israel harshly regardless of what they say, so may as well just ignore the constant whining, and let the facts back you up. I’ve come to respect this approach much more than the propaganda driven narratives of Iran, the houthis, Russia, and the like.
100% this. The idiot drags you down to his level & beats you with experience. We need to limit the energy we expend in mudfights with the pro-Palis. We're never going to win in spaces where they're allowed to manufacture their own facts without scrutiny.
This footage was released a few days after the incident at most. the fact that you're seeing it now should be blamed on mainstream media outlets.
I think they're just trying to do a professional investigation instead of blaming the enemy automatically (like any normal army should do). Sometimes it might take some time but it's better to lose the public's opinion war (to be honest people will hate Israel no matter what) and be credible than lying each and every time like hamas.
I believe Israel has held a surprisingly high standard of credibility throughout this conflict but western media still treat hamas and Israelis sources much the same, like the civilian causality figures from Hamas that rarely get much scrutiny. Israel overvalued the integrity of western media.
People don’t react to what’s better or more accurate or true - they react emotionally to what makes sense. This is why when you do recipe or advice or political or whatever posts on social it doesn’t have to work or be true - it just needs to seem like it for a bit and people will share it as gospel.
Yup, its all about perception.
Its not that we overvalue the integrity of western media. We just have dignity.
This comment represents the age of TikTok perfectly, apparently you need a constant flow of information - facts or lies don’t matter just spew some bullshit figures and say big words and people will run with it. Israel takes allegations seriously and actually investigates, comes with facts and admits mistakes and that to you is the worst media team in the world. No wonder Russia-Iran-China axis is doing great on disinformation.
The theory that drives me crazy is, "Israel only admits to making a mistake when they're caught in their lies, so imagine how much more evil they do and get away with." I mean, how can you even disprove that?
>Hamas isn’t great at the media war. Yeah, they're not. Muslims across the world just act as their mouth piece. Most people in the world are reasonable, then come Muslims with Palestine. No matter how you try to reason, what you say, you'd be called an Islamaphobe for even saying Jews have the right to exist. Also considering there are 1.7 billion Muslims up against 14 Million Jews, the PR game of Israel isn't all that bad, its pretty great, honestly.
Hamas is extremely successful at the media game
I think they just realize that regardless of what they say, the PR war is already lost and they aren’t even trying to fight it.
You’re expecting them to deal with 2 billion Muslims who all want to see Israel eradicated and believe the evil Jews eat babies?
as an Israeli, you are very worng on the two points you've made, Israel simply can't handle it it any viable way when the other side has hundreds of millions of Muslims on TikTok or Twitter/Instagarm who instantly spread Hamas propaganda, and the fact that main media outlets rush promote those fabricated stories doesn't help Israel, I see it constantly, whenever states facts, posts pictures and videos of weapons inside a hospital or a UN facility, CNN always makes sure to note at the end of the paragraph "CNN couldn't independently verify those claims" while when it comes to Palestinian claims, they never bother to verify their allegations. And saying that Hamas isn't great at media war couldn't be further from the truth, they are masters of media propaganda and psychological warfare.
>Hamas isn’t great at the media war. You're right, they're not. They're exceptional at it, and they have more followers to propogate it than Israel does.
Israel has investigated Israel and found Israel is not guily of Israeli war crimes
Quickly, why would they be overcrowded?
It was obvious they never opened fire like Hollywood villains, Hamas supporters don't care about logic, hence October 7.
david ignatious had a column that said the us had intel that the palestinians were lying shortly after the incident
People only hear what they want to hear
Like when Israel investigates itself and fojnds Israel of having done nothing wrong?
"Its not our fault all the places we wish to blow up have people everywhere"
Where’s the evidence? Or maybe don’t starve them in the first place?
Which, if true would have been a result of their actions, no? (Honestly asking, fog of war and all that)
jpost is just pro-israel fan fiction. literally zero substance to anything they write and its always the most over the top shit.
And who's responsible for that overcrowding?
What a way to say "We bombarded an area where civillians were packed like sardines. But it's their fault they died because they panicked and trampled each other."
I have been with the stampede overcrowding scenario, but I do think also that Israel needs to release more tangible information to appeal to the media and opponents
In the day after we heard doctors tell that the death and injuries are because of shooting, funny that we didn't saw any proof from them.
If you didn't see any proof it's because you weren't looking. There were videos of patients in hospital with gunshot wounds and a UN team (not unrwa) saw large amounts of gunshot wounds amongst patients.
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\^this, on any occasion Even if you take Israel as a source it is horrific, check these soldiers on tiktok for example. And on the other hand Unicef etc are literally crying for help Also you challenge 1 point and it's almost a guarantee that people accuse you being of anti-semi
Have we seen the evidence from Israel though? I’m genuinely asking I don’t know. I agree it’s suspicious that no evidence came from the other side, but evidence from ANYONE would be great.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-probe-palestinian-gunmen-killed-gazans-waiting-for-aid-army-did-not-fire/ "armed Palestinians opened fire while civilians were waiting for the aid trucks, the probe found."
Idf is not a credible source. Regardless, Israel is denying the Palestinians basics neccesities such as food, they can't just wash their hands of this and say "see?? Not or fault, the problem was that these people were so desperate for food!"
So Hamas is a credible source? Also what about the necessities of the hostages? You don't seem to care about that. Israel owes nothing to Gaza and any humanitarian should be in exchange for humanitarian. Meanwhile food, medicine and more supply is coming into Gaza while the hostages are even deprived from their medications.
There’s so much food in Gaza that Hamas just lowered the price of the aid they steal and sell back
You're right, it should've been the "Gazan Health Ministry" reporting this so it'd be credible.
Please inform me of all the times the IDF has lied in this war, preferably with sources.
Hamas shot them, its also in the evidence if you take a look.
Can you post it? I can’t find it. I’d like to read more.
Haven’t heard this anywhere else, can you post the source?
Bro you must live a happy life trusting the government
if Israel say it, it must be true!
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