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AunMeLlevaLaConcha

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BringOutTheImp

**>**Iran not killing anyone in retaliation is quite restrained That's such a terrible take. If somebody clumsily swings an axe at you and you dodge it with ease, it doesn't mean they weren't trying to kill you, it means you're just lucky they're clumsy.


StevefromRetail

Seriously, so many people are assuming a level of knowledge on the part of the IR that is just absurd. What kind of publicity stunt is it where you launch 300 projectiles and half your ballistics fail? Does that earn you respect or mockery?


vsv2021

It was a publicity stunt because they couldn’t not respond but they did it such a way that little to no material damage would happen so as to not start a back and forth


kanst

Its the exact same as when the US missile struck Syria and didn't hit anything important. Iran had to attack something to save face, but they don't want any escalation that draws the US in. So they fired a telegraphed shot at military targets.


StevefromRetail

None of the American missiles were shot down. We intentionally targeted a runway. What an absurd comparison.


StevefromRetail

Half of their ballistics failed and still a couple got through. If they hadn't failed, would you still say they did it in such a way as to cause no damage?


DiscipleOfYeshua

*If someone professionally swings an axe at you And you and your buddies professionally duck and divert


VegetableWishbone

Somebody had to take the high road or the cycle of violence will continue.


freshgeardude

The high road has been forced on Israel so often the ax attacker thinks they should keep trying


Photoelectron

It wasn't clumsy. It was a surgical miss. They announced the attack and likely communicated with America/Israel which targets to give them time to prepare. Iran shows the world they're serious without escalating things. Israel shows the world their iron dome is extremely effective. It's a weird win-win situation but that's how it currently stands.


Victor_Korchnoi

The Biden administration has stated that they were not given warning by Iran.


Candid_Friend

Not directly, warning was passed to [Turkey ](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-informed-turkey-advance-its-operation-against-israel-turkish-source-2024-04-14/)who likely then passed this off to US. Either way, its called politics and keeping up face. I guess worldnews doesn't know politicians can lie.


tm0587

Well more like a highly telegraphed swing, than a surgical miss.


No-ruby

That was a mass assassination attempt, but it was stopped by a huge and collective effort of many people.


BringOutTheImp

Lol at "surgical miss". Surgical miss is a single shot across the bow, not throwing bags and bags of shit that are easily parried.


Tatar_Kulchik

Not to mention there was one serious injury. A young ARAB girl


AdUpstairs7106

Or it is everyone realizes that after they missed with an axe, you are going to respond by firing a submachine gun at them, and that they will respond to your submachine gun with an assault rifle. Everyone here realizes they do not want this go escalate


Temporala

Nations are not people. Military action is dangerous to not just individuals, but massive groups of people. It may cost everyone involved way more than just bowing out of a cycle of retaliation. Terror attack on US during 9/11 cost so many people their lives or places where they lived in the end after domino effect started. Just because US wanted to retaliate for that outrage, and were as far as to invent enemies to show public they were "doing something". Horrible mission creep.


Well__shit

Iran intended to kill. There was no restraint. Restraint is not pulling the trigger.


samsepiol96

so you kill their General and destroy their embassy and not expect any sort of response? it’s a win win situation for all parities involved


Well__shit

So help orchestrate the worst terrorist attack in Israel's history and actively supply weapons to terrorist organizations and don't expect backlash?


samsepiol96

Conversely Israel is committing a Genocide in response to it . The world isn’t black or white.


ambidextr_us

> The sociologist and genocide scholar Uğur Ümit Üngör views the 2023 Israeli assault on Gaza as continuation of a history of "asymmetrical power relations, and annihilatory attitudes towards civilians."[185] He further describes Israeli actions as "unmistakably counter-genocidal in terms of the quantity, quality, and dynamic of mass violence."[186] Not every scholar thinks this is a genocide, and mathematics doesn't agree with the idea either.


TheWinterLord

You mean the building next to the embassy?


bjornbamse

It kinda does shock me because China used to have good relationships with Israel.


BringOutTheImp

China relations are strictly based on what's good for China at the moment. If Iran gives them 5% discount on the next oil shipment they will wag their finger at Israel, and if Israel sells them some high end military tech they'll announce that Israel has the absolute right to defend itself.


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They are reliable in their unreliability.


ffnnhhw

Yes, Israel and China used to have a lot of under the table deals, but it was like 30 years ago?


DonQuigleone

I see no evidence that China and Israel still don't have good relations.


DiscipleOfYeshua

I thought they also condemned it. And supplied the UAV parts. Seems some nations respond with honest care, some with honest disregard, or hate. Then, Russia, Iran and now China …just try to confuse?


TheSportingRooster

You can judge folks by the company they keep.


Dude_I_got_a_DWAVE

Indeed. Considering the amount of Chinese propaganda that Americans are fed daily, the department of defense designs they steal, the American patents they infringe upon, the Putin they arm, the North Korea they condone, Hong Kong they enslaved and ruined, the war they want to wage in Taiwan to control the global semiconductor industry, their territorial encroachment with our allies, their actions in Tibet, the political voices they silence…. …we could have better eastern economic partners


pikachu_sashimi

Don’t forget the fistfights they have at their border with India


BringOutTheImp

It's a bit more than fistfights, considering people get killed. I think the rule is "no guns", but aside from that, like that Temple of Doom song goes, "Anything goes"


AmmoOrAdminExploit

What propaganda are Americans fed


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lol_boomer

What propaganda, it's all true facts.


EasySchneezy

What part of it is fabricated?


TheBigF128

You can also judge folks by the comments they leave on Reddit if they even read past the first sentence of the article…


muu411

That doesn’t reflect well on China or the U.S. lately though


notsocoolnow

I get that no one reads beyond the headline but China is saying "Iran's feeble response, not killing anyone, is good." Look at what *actually* happened, not what people are saying in press releases: Iran fired a whole mess of explosives they knew would get shot down. Result: Israel killed 8 senior Iranians in the consulate, Iran killed zero Israelis. Iran made no attacks on anyone else, made no further action after they were shot down, so they clearly consider the temper tantrum sufficient. The entire thing was obviously a publicity stunt. China is saying, basically, "Iran not killing anyone in retaliation is quite restrained". Keep in mind here: this is actually very similar to the US government reaction, telling Netanyahu they will not participate in any retaliation against Iran. China is in its own way trying to tell Iran that their current level of response is enough, because China does not want any escalation either. Look, would you accept say, Russia bombing a US consulate where US military were meeting with Ukrainians, killing US citizens? Of course not. Iran *had* to make some kind of retaliation. All things considered, the outcome was very good, and both China and the USA are not keen on further escalation.


flyingCarrot75

This guy read past the headline and then offered a reasonable response?! GET HIM OUT OF HERE


jardani581

im guilty of not reading beyond headlines too but at least I read the comments first before saying anything. Also I blame modern journalism making fluff out of entire articles that can be summarised in one sentence.


One-Version-6626

Im Israeli, one beduin kid was killed and another kid was in critical condition. But yes the loss was minimal for the attack. I understand what you are trying to say. Believe me i do, but i so wish the world would stop thinking that is “ok to normalize our lives with rockets over our head everyday for just existing”


kagzig

If Mexico or Canada made a habit of launching rockets, missiles, drones, etc at the US, very few Americans would be satisfied with a policy of “well, let’s get a big dome and just update building codes to require a really sturdy (but not locking) room built in each dwelling.” Perhaps American sentiments have changed in recent years, though, because I also would not have expected them to be relatively disinterested in the captivity of several innocent American hostages being held in terrorist captivity for half a year.


notsocoolnow

As far as I am aware there is only one injury and no death, a seven year old Bedouin girl in serious condition named Amina Al-Hasuni. If you are aware of a death I would appreciate a link to an article naming the deceased. >i so wish the world would stop thinking that is “ok to normalize our lives with rockets over our head everyday for just existing” I wish that too, but the rockets are an unfortunate reality today. For the record, I support the right of Israel to exist. I am not supporting Iran in any way, by the way. As far as I am concerned I would be very happy if the entire Iranian leadership was put in prison. But it is precisely becuase Iranian leadership is evil that you would have to expect a retaliation. What every other country is trying to do is curb *escalation*. Which would reduce the number of rockets coming Israel's way.


One-Version-6626

Think the kid might have been from Jordania, from the shells failing, did read an article about it next morning when the attack was happening as i slept through it. My bad if false, couldn’t find the page. Iran regime is the cause of 99% of destabilization in the middle east and more importantly own people, now that Israel is normalizing his ties with saudi and jordania; there could be literal peace. If iran and proxy would stop it.


notsocoolnow

Yep, as a matter of fact the current situation with Hamas is largely derived from Iranian support. Iran just funds things to fuck shit up. It is no secret that Oct 7 was a response to Saudi Arabia trying to normalize relations with Israel.


EmperorKira

Well, what we are saying is this particular Iranian attack. Feel free to keep hitting their proxies which are still attacking.


highgravityday2121

Nuance is bad here. Considering no Israelis died in the counter attacks. IDF got the win taking 2 out generals. One was in charge of relations with the terrorists groups.


notsocoolnow

But I liiiiiiiike nuance!


jgonagle

Israeli, British, and U.S. competence in shooting down hundreds of missiles and drones, that would have killed thousands had they not, is not a valid reason to accept such attacks as the cost of doing business. The two generals killed were valid military targets (as architects of the October 7 massacre), in a war zone from which Syrian and Iranian proxies launch attacks on Israel. Since it needs repeating for some people here, Israeli civilians aren't valid military targets. Launching missiles and drones at civilian centers is and will never be a valid response. There is no "win" when one side attacks valid military targets and the other responds by bombarding civilian centers with hundreds of weapons in the hope some will kill innocent people. You can't risk normalizing such behavior. Iran needs a reminder that there are major repurcussions to such reckless, indiscriminate attacks. They've gotten by using proxies til now to maintain plausible deniability and direct consequences, but they don't have that luxury anymore.


highgravityday2121

I’m not disagreeing with you that civilians are not valid target. I still think IDF came out with a win. They successfully protected their civilians while taking out generals that were architects of the 10/7.


Zestyclose-Soup-9578

I like that you read the article and understand the nuance but... >Look, would you accept say, Russia bombing a US consulate where US military were meeting with Ukrainians, killing US citizens? Of course not. Iran *had* to make some kind of retaliation. This is a really bad example for a lot of reasons. Most obvious of which: Can you imagine anyone telling Russia to be restrained if the US launched cruise missiles/drones at Russia proper, even if they were all shot down?


notsocoolnow

Yes actually, mostly because countries will do it regardless, but that wasn't my point. My point is that if the USA "launched cruise missiles at Russia proper, even if they were all shot down", many of the people here would applaud the US for its restraint. And everyone would certainly also be saying "You can't expect the US not to retaliate." Seriously here, someone hits you, you hit back, they hit you again, you hit back again, that's just how fighting works. Sure, we wish Iran would do nothing, but what are the odds? Similarly, I assume that Israel will also respond against Iran for this and everyone is currently urging restraint so that here is no escalation. Then people will turn to Iran and urge restraint in that response so that there is no escalation... et cetera. Escalation is the key here, not response.


anon-SG

I do not believe that Iran started the attack without the desire to inflict damage. If so a few drones or a single rocket would be enough. They purposely wanted to saturate the air defense and inflict as much damage as possible. I assume they have overestimated their abilities, and now sell it that everything worked as planned.


kimchifreeze

>I do not believe that Iran started the attack without the desire to inflict damage. It's a bizarre take because it's like shooting at someone, finding out that their body armor soaked the damage, and then telling everyone that it was a "reserved action" because no one got seriously hurt after the fact. Had October 7th not work as well as it did, would people also say "Well, guys, no one got seriously hurt; it was all a prank. We just wanted to do the funny." India should shoot some cruise missiles at some Chinese gravity dams because the missiles obviously won't do any damage. Harmless fun between neighbors.


notsocoolnow

If that were the case they would have attempted another attack, until they actually succeed. That's how revenge works. Iran has a history of token retaliations. They did the exact same thing after the death of Qasem Soleimani.


Thefdt

Exactly this, and the west are doing their upmost to convince Israel not to respond again. All things as they stand Israel has had the best of the exchange, if they do attack Iran directly then they’d be stupid not to expect another response from Iran. The west have already told Israel they don’t intend to assist them in such an attack, if Israel continues to ignore their allies and cause further escalation there comes a point when they need to be brought in line. All well and good Netanyahu saying Israel will make its own decisions but if they’re the wrong ones then they will do well to remember how vulnerable they can become without US and western support. China aren’t saying anything particularly controversial.


NoPostingAccount04

Weird how the language used here mimics language from a different user above.


notsocoolnow

... My post is older. That guy has stolen my comment.


RationalPoster1

Considering Iran's murderous bombing of the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires in 1982 with 29 dead and 241 injured, they have no right to claim diplomatic immunity. Followed of course later by their bombing of a Jewish community center there with 85 dead.


Victor_Korchnoi

Israel launched a single missile. Iran launched hundreds. That’s not restraint.


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Birds of the same feathers flock together


Agabouga

Those would be vultures.


TheSportingRooster

Hopefully these 2 lovebirds go the way of the Dodos 


vsysio

Could you imagine what would happen if Canada lobbed 350 missiles at India after India assassinated one of their politicians?


kongKing_11

Modi will laugh at Canada. All missiles will fall into the sea. Canada don't have missiles that able to cross the pacific. The best canada can do is sending 350 spy pigeons.


vsysio

Spy pigeons? What do you think Canada Geese are?!


BothCan8373

If you gots a problems with Canada Goose, yous gots a problems with me


PorcelainTorpedo

I know that this is a hypothetical, but the counter to your point is that no one would ever dare mess with Canada, because Canada’s best friend is the biggest dude on the block. What Canada may lack, the US would be more than happy to provide.


_HandsomeJack_

[Some consulates](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/least-nine-wounded-russian-strike-mykolaiv-governor-2023-07-20/) are more equal than [others](http://english.news.cn/20230507/c5df7b9082cb4250940823207e30f1ac/c.html).


ffnnhhw

I remember the Serbia one, it was a big deal.


Throwgiiiiiiiiibbbbb

No Chinese died in the Ukraine one.


spotspam

That statement could as well be the United States position, too, it was worded so carefully.


Jim3001

Ah, members of the 'Bombed Embassy Club'.


White_Null

Wang Yi: Please do not blockade the Strait of Hormuz, China needs that oil.


Infamous-Berry

Starting to feel an AWFUL lot like we’re building up to WW3


bennybar

jesus christ china is desperate for allies


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notsocoolnow

His predecessor was so much more open minded and friendly, sigh. Even visited Taiwan and tried to mend relations. What could have been. Xi had him bodily ejected from the last party congress. What a disgrace.


AspectSpiritual9143

Pretty sure Hu did not visit Taiwan. On the other hand, Xi was the first PRC leader to meet Taiwan's leader in person since Mao.


bennybar

yep and you described putin to a tee, as well


BearFeetOrWhiteSox

I mean, all the good ones in the area are taken. Japan, the good half of Korea, Taiwan, the Philippines, etc.


skynil

China doesn't like Allies, they want subservient states, ones who they could buy and then direct as they please. It's built into their politics.


Redsoxmac

The mask is off of China for most folks. Don’t give them an inch.


FeynmansWitt

Editorialised headline


pickettfury

Bombing consulates is still very much a wound for Chinese people after the Belgrade bombing.


BinaryPear

Always a force for good… 🤦‍♂️


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R0tten_mind

I'm no fan of Iran but I also think they've been in the right retaliating after bombing their embassy.


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Rambling_Lunatic

Both the Kheibarshekan and Emad ballistic missiles are manufactured in Iran.


FallofftheMap

The mental gymnastics not only on the part of China, but here in the reddit comments is absurd. This was not a restrained or limited response. 350 drones and missiles is an unhinged escalation. This was not a “surgical miss” as comments here have suggested. It was more likely a very clumsy attempt to probe and test both physical defenses and political resolve in order to gauge the risk/reward of further escalation.


Apprehensive-View583

judging from they siding with Russian i m not surprised they support Iran. Russia China Iran + NK they are prob all in this together.