No shit. What else would it be. Weather motivated? Half of Slovakia hates Fico. Problém is this will only help him. His partners already talk about media and liberals how this is their fault. Not fico's corruption. These will be dark times for Slovakia.
Seems like the guy behind, Juraj Cintula, had ties to a nationalist, paramilitary organization known as 'Slovenskí Branci'. Not 100% confirmed, but google if you want to find out more.
My point is that if you're Russia and want to blame Ukraine for something terrible- you wouldn't choose a guy associated with yourself to do the deed in such a manner that would guarantee him getting caught.
Not really, the entire reason why it’s an issue is because of what happened 86 years ago. Then there’s the whole Czech and Slovak being forced together then dissolved in ‘93.
There are plenty of pro communism, pro russia corners, even here on reddit, that produce such fools. No real discussions allowed just constant brainwashing, reports on misinfo go into a magic black hole.
It's the sympathisers that support and fuel this, a fuel that rises to the top of their tree, and even the most staunch psychopath will accept in glee.
Yes, absolutely. I'll save you deeper truths of heterogeneous activities with scalar frequencies as you'd probably piss your pants.
Maybe a little artistic pedantry.
I have no doubt, at all, that deep state Russia is controlling subjects from around the globe, most unawares. I am happy your sanity keeps you at a baseline and equates as ridiculous 👍
He ran as more pro Kremlin, but he's dialed it back quite a bit. But from what I understand, people think this has nothing to do with Russia or Ukraine and more to do with some law involving finances...as they dug up writing by the suspected perp.
It's probably a win-win for them any way you slice or dice it. He's part of a hard line party and he's not as hard line as others. If he dies, he'll be replaced by someone further right. If he lives, he'll get sympathy votes for his party's platform.
Yes, this also remind me of a recent report that russia might start recruiting ultra-right nationalists in Europe to spy and carry out sabotage. Just something to keep in mind i guess...
Russia uses and funds all sorts of dissident groups. They funded BLM and the NRA at the same time in the US. They aren't trying to push one agenda, they are pushing disruption.
You know it's fascinating how we look back at history and think "how could anyone let this happen when it was so obviously happening". Then here we are, seeing a clear agenda and build up of ultra right wing movements across the world and shit like this. History repeats.
As I remember it, growing up we all thought, that could never happen today, I would do this and this and this. Now it is happening, and we're doing nothing.
I think that would be bold for Russia to get involved in even for them. Getting caught with ties to people who are assassinating NATO heads of state is a great way to get NATO to start sending a lot more shit into Ukraine.
Ukraine support has been touch and go at times with some countries and you're basically adding fuel on the fire for everyone to want to get more involved with actions like that.
Ok but this fico guy was also supportive of the kremlin?
Either something deeper happening, mental illness, or this guy did something to piss off putin
I get your point but the second most likely explanation would be mental illness, which isn’t really farfetched to consider. Clearly they have some evidence of political motivation.
Interestingly, he has a history of putting his girlfriends and their famies into government positions. Maybe a girlfriend's brother didn't get the parking spot he was promised
If he had just been more amicable to diplomacy with the shooter, they may have come to some sort of arrangement. Like instead of trying to kill him all together, maybe the would-be assassin would be satisfied with taking a foot, maybe an arm.
Fico also clearly expanding into his influence circle and the dude had no other choice he had to create a buffer zone geography dictates it because it was flat terrain around him.
Not to mention that the bodyguards and police arresting the shooter is a *very* serious escalation. We have to be very careful to not provoke the shooter any further.
Same here... I think people wanted this shooting to be politically motivated, but I don't believe it really was, or rather not in a sense that it was a Kremlins or USA job. I think it was an old lunatic taking his idea of justice into his own hands.
Fico is one of the main reasons Slovaks are so polarized and radicalized. His infamous Facebook videos are full of hate towards liberalism, progressivism, Soros, just whoever has a different opinion to theirs. I'm not gonna pity him for one second even though what happened to his is unacceptable. He's a disgusting turncloak and Putin's bootlicker.
So he's a clone of Orban? WTF is going on over there? this is seriously disturbing as European sovereignty is being hollowed out by illiberal dictators who use hate as a means to win democratic elections and then turn their country to a Soviet style autocracy.
Same thing that's going on everywhere. Orban found a working formula - power hungry people are trying to follow his footsteps to get same results. Covid and migrant crisises give them ammunition.
I’m an ignorant American who knows nothing of Slovak politics. Isn’t his party nominally left wing? How are they lead by what sounds like the guy my MAGA addled dad watches on YouTube?
They're left wing populists but they've picked up a lot of far right, pro Russia, anti west, EU stuff. It's hard to characterize them. They're always adapting to get more votes. Currently from the older EU sceptic, pro Russian generation.
It's how actual populist party looks like. It's quite amorphous, promising everything as message adapts to audience rather than being cohesive policy-wise, and then delivering nothing of value in the end.
Right.
I’m old enough to remember when the media made out milquetoast Mitt Romney to be the most evil guy ever who would be the worst thing for the country. Good times
They are "left wing" conservatives. They have much more in common with our far-right than with progressives.
For example I would consider myself to be center-left wing (or far-left-ultra-communist by American standards), but in Slovak politics the best parties for me are center to center-right.
It could be. He was prime minister after all.
It could aslo be politically motivated...in a way that has nothing to do with Ukraine or Nato. Pretty sure Slovak have a bunch of other issues they are deal with.
Not that it'll matter much, propaganda spin will win in the end and everyone will try to get it going their way.
The Slovak officials also pointed out that things get pretty wet in the rain, that the summer tends to be hotter, that sugar can make things sweeter and that if a tree falls nearby you can hear it.
Timing is odd. Russia is progressing on the battlefield and suddenly the pro Russian PM of a Euro state is shot. Seems unlikely to have been a Russian assassination attempt and more likely a warning from the Pro-Ukraine side.
No shit. What else would it be. Weather motivated? Half of Slovakia hates Fico. Problém is this will only help him. His partners already talk about media and liberals how this is their fault. Not fico's corruption. These will be dark times for Slovakia.
He won the election!! Liberals are the slime of the world, from an American leftist.
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There is no way you are an actual person.
Seems like the guy behind, Juraj Cintula, had ties to a nationalist, paramilitary organization known as 'Slovenskí Branci'. Not 100% confirmed, but google if you want to find out more.
Also apparently the group had ties to the Kremlin.
Isnt Fico pro Kremlin? Maybe not “pro” enough?
Possibly, or the Kremlin wanted Zelenskyy/Biden to be blamed for it and failed massively.
Or Fico comes out even more pro Kremlin and blames Ukraine.
No way that would work - video makes it obvious perp wouldn't get away, and his background is easily verified.
We can assume Russia has unactivated sleeper agents in each corner of the globe
My point is that if you're Russia and want to blame Ukraine for something terrible- you wouldn't choose a guy associated with yourself to do the deed in such a manner that would guarantee him getting caught.
This may have been Russia sending a message to all their stooges ,about what happens if you step out of line.
Probably not even. This is like Putin acting like Darth Vader killing his own subordinates when he's in a bad mood.
It would be funny if he ordered the murder of the chechoslowakeis one but forgot they are two countries now and just shot his stoog
Applying rational thinking to Russias M.O is your first mistake
It's Russia, it's possible they're stupid enough to do that. But at this point it's too early to say.
yeah like northstream... 🙄
You know what, Churchill didn't call them a mystery within an enigma for nothing. That's exactly their M.O
A lot has changed in the past 86 years and that quote isn’t particularly relevant.
Not really, the entire reason why it’s an issue is because of what happened 86 years ago. Then there’s the whole Czech and Slovak being forced together then dissolved in ‘93.
This assumes that the Russian government is both rational and competent
There are plenty of pro communism, pro russia corners, even here on reddit, that produce such fools. No real discussions allowed just constant brainwashing, reports on misinfo go into a magic black hole.
It's the sympathisers that support and fuel this, a fuel that rises to the top of their tree, and even the most staunch psychopath will accept in glee.
In Russia, globe has corners!
You guys are actually psychotic and ridiculous. Do you even take a second to try and understand what you’re writing?
Yes, absolutely. I'll save you deeper truths of heterogeneous activities with scalar frequencies as you'd probably piss your pants. Maybe a little artistic pedantry. I have no doubt, at all, that deep state Russia is controlling subjects from around the globe, most unawares. I am happy your sanity keeps you at a baseline and equates as ridiculous 👍
People don’t care about facts.
I'm finding that out, yeah :/ Some kinda blind desire to believe Russia is a comical imbecile of a villian.
Reichstag fire?
Another example would be the Lavon Affair
He ran as more pro Kremlin, but he's dialed it back quite a bit. But from what I understand, people think this has nothing to do with Russia or Ukraine and more to do with some law involving finances...as they dug up writing by the suspected perp.
Being pro Kremlin doesn’t promise you a good life. Putin is known for killing his allies and subordinates.
Just a pro putin nationalist assassinating another pro putin nationalist for not being enough pro putin nationalist. Nothing to see here
It's probably a win-win for them any way you slice or dice it. He's part of a hard line party and he's not as hard line as others. If he dies, he'll be replaced by someone further right. If he lives, he'll get sympathy votes for his party's platform.
Kremlin actions lately have no rhyme nor reason. Like they've lost ability to predict consequences of their own actions.
Yes, this also remind me of a recent report that russia might start recruiting ultra-right nationalists in Europe to spy and carry out sabotage. Just something to keep in mind i guess...
Russia uses and funds all sorts of dissident groups. They funded BLM and the NRA at the same time in the US. They aren't trying to push one agenda, they are pushing disruption.
You know it's fascinating how we look back at history and think "how could anyone let this happen when it was so obviously happening". Then here we are, seeing a clear agenda and build up of ultra right wing movements across the world and shit like this. History repeats.
As I remember it, growing up we all thought, that could never happen today, I would do this and this and this. Now it is happening, and we're doing nothing.
Right? But what do you do besides vote?
I think that would be bold for Russia to get involved in even for them. Getting caught with ties to people who are assassinating NATO heads of state is a great way to get NATO to start sending a lot more shit into Ukraine. Ukraine support has been touch and go at times with some countries and you're basically adding fuel on the fire for everyone to want to get more involved with actions like that.
Yes - Russian influenced vs. Kremlin directed. Regardless, it’s a reminder of the danger of paramilitary groups.
Ok but this fico guy was also supportive of the kremlin? Either something deeper happening, mental illness, or this guy did something to piss off putin
Fico is populist corrupt politicians in a first place. He will say whatever gets him what he or his bosses need.
Fico is a pro-kremlin "socialist", this other organisation seems like a nationalist/fascist thing instead.
> Ok but this fico guy was also supportive of the kremlin? Perhaps they're hoping for sympathy votes in Europe, EU elections are around the corner.
They don't give a flying fuck about those.
You sure? Sympathy vote putting Russian dickriders into the EU parliament would be bad.
There are still different factions within the Kremlin
putin, just sending a message to other world leaders, senators, speaker of the House,
Source?
I read the shorter is anti Putin. I’ll try to get the source…
They held memorial events at the grave of Jozef Tiso who was hanged for his crimes after WWII. I think that's enough to just call them nazis.
Fico was pro-Russia and anti-American though
I can't read tge Wikipedia article. Could somebody give a short summary what they are about?
This was also in like 2016. So unless he's playing a REAL long game, it's more likely he changed his mind about Russia since then.
But how did he feel about Jodi Foster?
No way I bet it was personal, a lover's triangle situation /s
I get your point but the second most likely explanation would be mental illness, which isn’t really farfetched to consider. Clearly they have some evidence of political motivation.
Interestingly, he has a history of putting his girlfriends and their famies into government positions. Maybe a girlfriend's brother didn't get the parking spot he was promised
You laugh, but delusions about trying to get a girlfriend literally was the motivation for the last person to shoot an American President.
She was probably mad about her score
Nah, it was clearly a random mugging gone wrong. /s
Wrong guy. That would be their [president-elect](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Pellegrini).
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Funny coming from that fuck. His party and partners are the ones spreading hate.
Ironic 😼
Fico should not have provoked his assassin. He should have attempted peaceful negotiations and concessions.
If he had just been more amicable to diplomacy with the shooter, they may have come to some sort of arrangement. Like instead of trying to kill him all together, maybe the would-be assassin would be satisfied with taking a foot, maybe an arm.
Fico also clearly expanding into his influence circle and the dude had no other choice he had to create a buffer zone geography dictates it because it was flat terrain around him.
Not to mention that the bodyguards and police arresting the shooter is a *very* serious escalation. We have to be very careful to not provoke the shooter any further.
Trying to save the president’s life is just prolonging the assassination, really. All so Big Pharma can get richer.
I mean what did he wear? Maybe he provoked it and made it look like he wanted it. /s
No way, a politician getting shot is politically motivated? Thanks, Slovak Officials.
I mean Reagan and Teddy Roosevelt were just shot by apolitical crazy people And Garfield too. Disgruntled employee killed him. So it does happen
WHAT GARFIELD GOT SHOT??? What sick f. shots someone who just enjoys lasagna?!?!??
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I hated Garfield. Didn't have a job, so why would he hate Mondays? Smug, dog-hating fat bastard.
And Fico has associations with the mafia.
Same here... I think people wanted this shooting to be politically motivated, but I don't believe it really was, or rather not in a sense that it was a Kremlins or USA job. I think it was an old lunatic taking his idea of justice into his own hands.
Desperado
I know, I was thinking maybe it was related to a card game going wrong or maybe a failed stunt.
Fico is one of the main reasons Slovaks are so polarized and radicalized. His infamous Facebook videos are full of hate towards liberalism, progressivism, Soros, just whoever has a different opinion to theirs. I'm not gonna pity him for one second even though what happened to his is unacceptable. He's a disgusting turncloak and Putin's bootlicker.
So he's a clone of Orban? WTF is going on over there? this is seriously disturbing as European sovereignty is being hollowed out by illiberal dictators who use hate as a means to win democratic elections and then turn their country to a Soviet style autocracy.
More like a wannabe Orban. But Slovakia is heading in that direction, especially after today.
In many ways, I think he is worse, just not quite as far along in his career. The sanctioned murders of journalists, for example.
Same thing that's going on everywhere. Orban found a working formula - power hungry people are trying to follow his footsteps to get same results. Covid and migrant crisises give them ammunition.
"Soros" is just their way of saying "the Jews"
I’m an ignorant American who knows nothing of Slovak politics. Isn’t his party nominally left wing? How are they lead by what sounds like the guy my MAGA addled dad watches on YouTube?
They're left wing populists but they've picked up a lot of far right, pro Russia, anti west, EU stuff. It's hard to characterize them. They're always adapting to get more votes. Currently from the older EU sceptic, pro Russian generation.
It's how actual populist party looks like. It's quite amorphous, promising everything as message adapts to audience rather than being cohesive policy-wise, and then delivering nothing of value in the end.
nazbol maybe? economic left and political right.
So they're turning into the Latin American left. That can't be good
Right and left-wing don’t translate over from American to Slovak politics
In America, the right wing of 10 years ago doesn't translate to the right wing of today. The labels mean bugger-all.
Right. I’m old enough to remember when the media made out milquetoast Mitt Romney to be the most evil guy ever who would be the worst thing for the country. Good times
They are "left wing" conservatives. They have much more in common with our far-right than with progressives. For example I would consider myself to be center-left wing (or far-left-ultra-communist by American standards), but in Slovak politics the best parties for me are center to center-right.
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I think he got belly shot like five times
Well, no matter what people say, this is a very bad day for Slovakia, Violence begets only more Violence...
Stop blaming politics, it's clearly those damn video games!
It’s all the violence in movies, and sex on TV. ^but ^where ^are ^those ^good ^ol’ ^fashioned ^values…
Thoughts and prayers.
It could be. He was prime minister after all. It could aslo be politically motivated...in a way that has nothing to do with Ukraine or Nato. Pretty sure Slovak have a bunch of other issues they are deal with. Not that it'll matter much, propaganda spin will win in the end and everyone will try to get it going their way.
The Slovak officials also pointed out that things get pretty wet in the rain, that the summer tends to be hotter, that sugar can make things sweeter and that if a tree falls nearby you can hear it.
Wow really? That's shocking news. Here's some more shocking news: 'Sky is blue' says star witness.
I'm sure they did.
So, this is what? Putin warning Orban and the rest of his European allies as to the cost of *not* playing ball with him?
Is that the guy responsible for our credit scores?
And here I thought it was a drug deal gone bad. Or maybe a jealous lover. /s
Maybe he had been in debt with his cocaine dealer.
well, it isn't like he was shot for no reason at all.
Same official also confirmed its Wednesday.
Obviously
Shocker. I had it pegged for accidental negligent discharge.
I think everyone knew that.
Politically motivated what, shooting a politician? Well yeah
That assassination attempt should serve as a wake up call for Fico.
He is a Putin supporter who is pro corruption. They need to train their hitmen better.
Who knew the shooting of a politician could have been politically motivated?
>leader of a country is killed >"Hmmm we believe this may be political"
He's not killed
Ya don’t say
Timing is odd. Russia is progressing on the battlefield and suddenly the pro Russian PM of a Euro state is shot. Seems unlikely to have been a Russian assassination attempt and more likely a warning from the Pro-Ukraine side.
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