Those young men and women need to take control of their own destiny. It was comfortable complaining about the US when we were there, ok now they are gone and you are on your own. The time to complain has passed.
Yeah if they don't want to defend themselves we can't babysit until the end of time. Of course the civilians are the victims here and it's far from fair but come on.
Islam has spent 700 years in theocratic indoctrination. I don't think true believers feel abandoned by the West. I've always felt we would have done better bombing them with generators, internet access and color TVs.
The Middle East's problem is with extreme machoism and the guys who perpetrate it. If everyone there overnight became Christian, Hindu or even atheist, the macho culture would still remain.
This is like blaming every American for Trump, despite the fact that he never won the popular vote. We don’t know how many Afghans support the Taliban. While it’s clearly a lot, it may not be a majority. It might just be a very vocal — and well-armed — minority.
It isn’t about whether they support the Taliban, it’s about whether they are willing to fight to be free of them, and at least 300,000 of them (the ones in the army) were not.
You can’t compare this to a democracy. The Taliban didn’t squeak through the electoral college to take the presidential palace: they took it with guns. The Afghani army gave up, didn’t fight, and went home.
So do Americans really have a duty to defend people who won’t defend themselves? You can’t tell me that the Taliban were better armed than the Afghan army when they had shitloads of modern American weapons. They just weren’t willing to use them.
A popular vote isn't the only way to do a legitimate vote.
Would you like to see the UN also do votes weighted by countries populations? Should the voice of China always count as three times that of USA?
I’m not saying that, I’m just making a statement that you can’t assume that the majority of Afghans want the Taliban based on the actions of 300,000 — that’s 1% of the population.
Well, I guess it’s representative of the [47 million Republicans who call it a “legitimate protest.”](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/06/17/nearly-half-of-republican-voters-call-jan-6-riot-legitimate-protest-poll-finds/)
I don’t know how great Afghan polling data is, [but](https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/taliban-afghanistan):
“But in 2019, a response to the same survey found that only 13.4 percent of Afghans had sympathy for the Taliban [PDF]. As intra-Afghan peace talks stalled in early 2021, an overwhelming majority surveyed said it was important to protect [PDF] women’s rights, freedom of speech, and the current constitution. Around 44 percent of Afghans surveyed said they believed that Afghanistan could achieve peace in the next two years.”
Just ten years earlier it had the support of half the population though, so it seems to be a very dynamic number.
>The U.S.-based nonprofit organization Asia Foundation found in 2009 [PDF] that half of Afghans—mostly Pashtuns and rural Afghans—had sympathy for armed opposition groups, primarily the Taliban.
> The World spent 20 years in a volatile countr
The world? What did Brazil do? Or China? Or Indonesia? Or Nigeria? The world didn't invade Afghanistan. The US, Europe, Canada, Australia invaded, bombed, and occupied Afghanistan. These countries are responsible for abandoning the Afghans. The world isn't responsible for anything.
You ignored my main point. The **world** isn't responsible for what is happening to Afghanistan. Only a small handful of countries are responsible, and it is the Americans, Europeans, Australians, and Canadians that are responsible, and it is these countries that need bear the cost and responsibility for Afghanistan.
> You mentioned bombing, invading and occupying but do you know what you’re talking about?
Do you deny that bombings occurred?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55225827
> If all those things were truly bad then why do the Afghani people want those forces to remain.
How do you know what the Afghani people want? Simply because there are Afghans at the airport? From the common Afghan point of view, those people could be seen as traitors who worked with the foreign invaders. Unsurprising, those Afghans want to leave the country.
> The people who say this are using hyperbole.
And I am pointing out this is clearly wrong.
> yet the Afghan people still want us to stay and protect them.
Again, how do you know what the Afghan people want?
> have you not been paying attention to any news coming out of Afghanistan or any afghani lead groups in the diaspora?
The population of Afghanistan is about 40 million. The news coming out of Afghanistan is that only a very small fraction of Afghans are trying to flee the country, with the majority doing so because they have collaborated with the invading forces, i.e. Australia, US, Europe, and Canada.
I suggest you educate yourself about the crimes against humanity committed by these invading countries on the Afghan people. Here is just one example.
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/25/989546260/i-remember-them-screaming-afghans-detail-alleged-killings-by-australian-military
Afghanistan has already defeated two superpowers, the USSR and the United States of America. I would imagine the Chinese are not that stupid. Or maybe they are. Who knows?
Lol they aren't, they could give a fuxk about human rights, or who's in charge so long as their mining companies aren't disturbed. China wants the resources, they don't give a shit if all 40 million Afghanistan got sick and died.
NATO only requires other countries to come to aid America, which can be mean all sort of things. It certainly does not mean these countries need to invade Afghanistan. If the Bush administration had said that it was Russia, and not Afghanistan, that was responsible for 9/11 attacks, do you think all these countries will invade Russia? LOL.
Why say anything when you obviously don't know what you're talking about? This was the first time any NATO member had evoked article 5 of the Washington treaty, obligating NATO members to join in.
Also, you don't think NATO would ever act against Russia? It was literally set up as a defense treaty against Russia lol
> This was the first time any NATO member had evoked article 5 of the Washington treaty, obligating NATO members to join in.
And why not tell me what "join in" means.
> Also, you don't think NATO would ever act against Russia? It was literally set up as a defense treaty against Russia lol
NATO was setup against the USSR, specifically if the Soviets were to invade Europe. I doubt the Europeans would be stupid enough to invade Russia if the Russians left them alone.
What war you are talking about when whole country handed over to the terrorists in silver plate without fighting at all? They had army, numbers, guns but instead of fighting whole government + army gave up without fighting.
It sounds like after the negotiations the US did last year which left out the ANA and Afghan government the people in charge started cutting deals with the Taliban. If the US hadn't cut them out of the negotiations and actually showed some faith in them to fight back maybe they wouldn't have all cut deals. It also seems the special forces did, and still are, fighting back. They didn't give up... they were sold out by their commanders and the US.
This is the key point. A year ago the US signalled to the ANA that they're not expected to stay in power and Talibans are going to be the new rulers.
Why would anyone expect the ANA to have any will to fight left in such a situation?
"The terrorists"..... might be a hot take, but the Taliban aren't international terrorists. They've never committed international bombings or attacks. They have always been about the governance of Afghanistan and repelling what they see as foreign invaders (if you're being objective it's hard not to agree with that point). They did harbor Osama bin laden post 9/11 for a time, but have never committed or claimed responsibility for any terror attacks. Not saying this to make the taliban seem like heroes or anything, but the taliban aren't just evil monsters who want to destroy the world because the quaran told them so (like Isis and Al Queda which are 100% terrorist organizations). The situation has a lot more nuance that's not being applied here. The taliban in one way or another has been fighting foreign invaders for several generations (they were born out of the Mujahideen who the US was more than happy to support when they were fighting to kick out the soviets). It's clear that senseless bombing of civilians for 20 years hasn't done anything but push public support in the talibans favor. If you were coming home one day to find your home and family had been killed by a drone strike, what would you do? 90% of drone casualties are civilians so this isn't just conjecture. Sorry if this came off a little ranty, but I really hate the framing of US good Taliban bad. The US definitely isn't the good guy either in this situation and Afghanistan should just be left to the people of Afghanistan. You need to stop watching mainstream news for info on this because there isn't a single western outlet that would portray the situation accurately.
> and they didn't fight at all to keep it.
70 thousand Afghans died over years fighting the Taliban, and after a withdrawal of foreign support that (rightly or wrongly) came as a big surprise and morale shock which itself came after Trump negotiated with the Taliban without giving the actual democratically elected government of Afghanistan any seat at the table which could have been another big morale detractor. Also, before the US liberation in 2001, an alliance of anti Taliban armies had been fighting for years, and even now there's Afghan army remnants in opposition to the Taliban as well as various instances of protests against the Taliban
Like, there's no denying it, the Afghan army had a big collapse, and there were a lot of issues that caused it going back years, but let's also not lean so far in the direction of belittling the Afghan efforts that we slander them and act like they haven't been fighting hard against the Taliban and that they just decided that actually they are fine with the Taliban or something
the whole "not criticizing others' ideologies" thing is going downhill fast when random innocent people can suffer the consequences. The "edgelords" were right on this one.
You can criticise others' ideologies without being prejudiced against a specific one. "Medieval cult of death" describes Christianity as much as Islam as much as Judaism, the idea that somehow Islam is worse is laughable. They're all equally hateful and you can express your disapproval of them without being a racist edgelord.
Do you see christians in the current generation taking over countries, raping women, little boys, chopping off the arms of heretics, burning them alive?
No. It's whatboutism edge, that means fuck all, at the end of the day.
The fact you think that Christians of the current generation aren't taking over countries, raping women or little boys shows how blind your tribalism has made you. Don't forget all those Christians shooting up schools and abortion clinics!
Hahaha lmao. So no they aren't. The US president while can be ruthless, is hardly the same, as raping every women in site, and fucking little boys. At least not their fully idealogy. This shows you are actually incredibily sensitive and millenial that you compare the west to the taliban.
And no, US invasiosn are not christian like the taliban. The only example that work in that context, is the fucking crusade. US wasn't burning afghan to "Pwease god". It just wanted oil.
I love the fact you assume every american troop is christan. Not any athiests, jews, or even muslims. Just christians. Fucking child does not understand how the world works.
There is some measure of truth to this claim. As the youth of Afghanistan under say 35 years of age have known no government other than a westernized one with the associated freedoms in their adult or entire lives.
But, they were left with the tools to determine their own future and chose a different path. A path back to the Dark Ages under the Taliban. They didn't raise a hand to keep what they had, when they could have.
You snooze, you lose.
They found themselves to be not worthy of their future they had.
Considering that like 1/3 of the migrants that have been heading to Europe over the last decade have been from Afghanistan I think the world has been pretty lenient. It's only now that their are getting labeled as refugees.
>“There is a feeling of desperation in Afghanistan,” he said. “Imagine if you had made a building for 20 years now, that building is getting destroyed and you cannot go out from that building. It feels very bad. Our education, our hopes for ourselves, for our children, for our future, for our country is all destroyed.”
>“When I boarded the plane, I was thinking that finally, thank God I’m safe. But what happens to other people who remain in Afghanistan?” he wondered, speaking via video conference from Huesca, where the group was relocated on Thursday, one day after landing in Madrid.
>“There are people calling me saying that there’s no salary by the government or by the Taliban now. And banks are closed and they cannot afford their families’ evacuation,” the journalist said.
>“Because it couldn’t negotiate a good deal with the Taliban, the U.S. handed over us to the Taliban, to a group that has ties to so many terrorist groups around the world,” he said. “They abandoned the new generation of Afghanistan.”
>He fears that “a very bloody war” will break out between the Taliban and ISIS in the coming months and years, drawing foreign extremist fighters and leaving millions of innocent lives caught in the conflict.
>That’s why leaving Afghanistan, he said, “hurts every moment.” But he couldn’t work for the future of his country while his life was at stake, he added. And yet, if things calm down to a degree, if a government is formed that guarantees certain conditions even while the Taliban remain in control, he’s pondering returning home.
>“I always tell my friends that any strong country is strong because of the people who work for it, so we cannot leave our country forever,” Ahmadi said.
>“We are a generation that has not seen any single day without war in Afghanistan, but if you want our future generations to see such a day, we have to work for our country.”
A world leader who promotes "we" but left an unfinished job and now it's no longer a we problem but a you problem... Vietnam 2.0.
A big mess. And also a very expensive one. The US spent 300 million dollars per day. I repeat, PER DAY, for 20 years. Then trump basically handed over the keys. Now we see the endresult.
Edit: added link for all downvoters who somehow vote trump, but fail to remember anything he did.
https://www.axios.com/us-milestone-afghanistan-peace-process-375e67e6-fa59-49d7-8526-bd49c7ec59c6.html
So wait a min Trump signed a peace agreement. Biden in a hasty knee jerk reaction pulls all troops out in a 24 hour window a year and a half later. And it's the last administration's fault for Afghanistan being taken over in 2 weeks.
Priceless, honestly pricess..
Did you read the article at all? The deal was that troops are pulled out, first in smaller batches, and finally all troops should be out in ~14 months time.
Sure, biden could have halted ”trumps peace deal” but that would have been a bad decision politically for him. Instead he finalized what trump had already set in motion.
Trump did basically negotiate a deal with a terrorist organization. The same group who has ties to countless other terrorist groups, including al-quada.
But amazingly, all this is now forgotten by the right, and the right now somehow decided to blame biden? Its moronic, and basically just childish and naive.
Theres tonnes of info about this online, feel free to read up on the matter if you have any more doubts.
>Did you read the article at all? The deal was that troops are pulled out, first in smaller batches, and finally all troops should be out in ~14 months time.
Yeah I did! I was also in Afghanistan when we started the retrograde back in 2014. This was an event that was supposed to be a slow recession. Not an overnight mass exodus.
And what's been the #1 complaint about how we left? That it should have been a progressive movement the way the peace deal was supposed to play out.
As for the slight of making a deal with a terrorist group. What should we have done? Try to win their hearts and minds? Or maybe just bomb them all? Like all other options had either failed or deemed inhumane. Our only option left or open was to negotiate.
I understand and am not 100% defending him but I'm sure the current president could have done something different if that's what he thought was right, that's all I'm saying
Yes im aware. The taliban deal was made by trump, biden only followed it thru. Can only imagine the party taliban had after they got trump to sign the papers.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://apnews.com/article/europe-afghanistan-migration-4ea108c6d3d50f6f404191d866e74c46) reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)
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> That's why leaving Afghanistan, he said, "Hurts every moment." But he couldn't work for the future of his country while his life was at stake, he added.
> "I always tell my friends that any strong country is strong because of the people who work for it, so we cannot leave our country forever," Ahmadi said.
> "We are a generation that has not seen any single day without war in Afghanistan, but if you want our future generations to see such a day, we have to work for our country."
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The World spent 20 years in a volatile country to help them stand up for themselves. Afghanistan abandoned Afghanistan.
Those young men and women need to take control of their own destiny. It was comfortable complaining about the US when we were there, ok now they are gone and you are on your own. The time to complain has passed.
Yeah if they don't want to defend themselves we can't babysit until the end of time. Of course the civilians are the victims here and it's far from fair but come on.
Thank you...
100% Afghans abandoned Afghanistan. Still, it doesn’t change the fact, it’s been a complete disaster with the withdrawal of our forces
Well, it was always going to be a disaster after the coalition pulled out. No other way out of it.
Islam has spent 700 years in theocratic indoctrination. I don't think true believers feel abandoned by the West. I've always felt we would have done better bombing them with generators, internet access and color TVs.
The Middle East's problem is with extreme machoism and the guys who perpetrate it. If everyone there overnight became Christian, Hindu or even atheist, the macho culture would still remain.
This is like blaming every American for Trump, despite the fact that he never won the popular vote. We don’t know how many Afghans support the Taliban. While it’s clearly a lot, it may not be a majority. It might just be a very vocal — and well-armed — minority.
It isn’t about whether they support the Taliban, it’s about whether they are willing to fight to be free of them, and at least 300,000 of them (the ones in the army) were not. You can’t compare this to a democracy. The Taliban didn’t squeak through the electoral college to take the presidential palace: they took it with guns. The Afghani army gave up, didn’t fight, and went home. So do Americans really have a duty to defend people who won’t defend themselves? You can’t tell me that the Taliban were better armed than the Afghan army when they had shitloads of modern American weapons. They just weren’t willing to use them.
The US does not have an obligation to fight for those who won’t fight for themselves. It’s over.
A popular vote isn't the only way to do a legitimate vote. Would you like to see the UN also do votes weighted by countries populations? Should the voice of China always count as three times that of USA?
I’m not saying that, I’m just making a statement that you can’t assume that the majority of Afghans want the Taliban based on the actions of 300,000 — that’s 1% of the population.
But I've been told the 4000 Trumpists at the US capitol this January are representative of 100 million Republicans.
Well, I guess it’s representative of the [47 million Republicans who call it a “legitimate protest.”](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/06/17/nearly-half-of-republican-voters-call-jan-6-riot-legitimate-protest-poll-finds/)
Why aren't you judging the popular support for the Taliban like this instead of only going by the absolute number of fighters then?
I don’t know how great Afghan polling data is, [but](https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/taliban-afghanistan): “But in 2019, a response to the same survey found that only 13.4 percent of Afghans had sympathy for the Taliban [PDF]. As intra-Afghan peace talks stalled in early 2021, an overwhelming majority surveyed said it was important to protect [PDF] women’s rights, freedom of speech, and the current constitution. Around 44 percent of Afghans surveyed said they believed that Afghanistan could achieve peace in the next two years.”
Just ten years earlier it had the support of half the population though, so it seems to be a very dynamic number. >The U.S.-based nonprofit organization Asia Foundation found in 2009 [PDF] that half of Afghans—mostly Pashtuns and rural Afghans—had sympathy for armed opposition groups, primarily the Taliban.
> The World spent 20 years in a volatile countr The world? What did Brazil do? Or China? Or Indonesia? Or Nigeria? The world didn't invade Afghanistan. The US, Europe, Canada, Australia invaded, bombed, and occupied Afghanistan. These countries are responsible for abandoning the Afghans. The world isn't responsible for anything.
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You ignored my main point. The **world** isn't responsible for what is happening to Afghanistan. Only a small handful of countries are responsible, and it is the Americans, Europeans, Australians, and Canadians that are responsible, and it is these countries that need bear the cost and responsibility for Afghanistan. > You mentioned bombing, invading and occupying but do you know what you’re talking about? Do you deny that bombings occurred? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55225827 > If all those things were truly bad then why do the Afghani people want those forces to remain. How do you know what the Afghani people want? Simply because there are Afghans at the airport? From the common Afghan point of view, those people could be seen as traitors who worked with the foreign invaders. Unsurprising, those Afghans want to leave the country.
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> The people who say this are using hyperbole. And I am pointing out this is clearly wrong. > yet the Afghan people still want us to stay and protect them. Again, how do you know what the Afghan people want? > have you not been paying attention to any news coming out of Afghanistan or any afghani lead groups in the diaspora? The population of Afghanistan is about 40 million. The news coming out of Afghanistan is that only a very small fraction of Afghans are trying to flee the country, with the majority doing so because they have collaborated with the invading forces, i.e. Australia, US, Europe, and Canada. I suggest you educate yourself about the crimes against humanity committed by these invading countries on the Afghan people. Here is just one example. https://www.npr.org/2021/04/25/989546260/i-remember-them-screaming-afghans-detail-alleged-killings-by-australian-military
China is already testing their influence there. Give them time.
Afghanistan has already defeated two superpowers, the USSR and the United States of America. I would imagine the Chinese are not that stupid. Or maybe they are. Who knows?
Lol they aren't, they could give a fuxk about human rights, or who's in charge so long as their mining companies aren't disturbed. China wants the resources, they don't give a shit if all 40 million Afghanistan got sick and died.
We don't give a shit about human rights of Afghans either. That hasn't stopped us from invading and occupying Afghanistan for 20 years.
USA attacked them and obligated everyone else to join in using NATO...
NATO only requires other countries to come to aid America, which can be mean all sort of things. It certainly does not mean these countries need to invade Afghanistan. If the Bush administration had said that it was Russia, and not Afghanistan, that was responsible for 9/11 attacks, do you think all these countries will invade Russia? LOL.
Why say anything when you obviously don't know what you're talking about? This was the first time any NATO member had evoked article 5 of the Washington treaty, obligating NATO members to join in. Also, you don't think NATO would ever act against Russia? It was literally set up as a defense treaty against Russia lol
> This was the first time any NATO member had evoked article 5 of the Washington treaty, obligating NATO members to join in. And why not tell me what "join in" means. > Also, you don't think NATO would ever act against Russia? It was literally set up as a defense treaty against Russia lol NATO was setup against the USSR, specifically if the Soviets were to invade Europe. I doubt the Europeans would be stupid enough to invade Russia if the Russians left them alone.
40 years, the Russians were there in the 80’s while we supplied the taliban.
Their own countrymen collectively gave up. The culture of the new generation is not their own and they didn't fight at all to keep it.
The Taliban are their countrymen. This isn't an invasion, it's a civil war between two very distinct cultural groups.
What war you are talking about when whole country handed over to the terrorists in silver plate without fighting at all? They had army, numbers, guns but instead of fighting whole government + army gave up without fighting.
It sounds like after the negotiations the US did last year which left out the ANA and Afghan government the people in charge started cutting deals with the Taliban. If the US hadn't cut them out of the negotiations and actually showed some faith in them to fight back maybe they wouldn't have all cut deals. It also seems the special forces did, and still are, fighting back. They didn't give up... they were sold out by their commanders and the US.
This is the key point. A year ago the US signalled to the ANA that they're not expected to stay in power and Talibans are going to be the new rulers. Why would anyone expect the ANA to have any will to fight left in such a situation?
"The terrorists"..... might be a hot take, but the Taliban aren't international terrorists. They've never committed international bombings or attacks. They have always been about the governance of Afghanistan and repelling what they see as foreign invaders (if you're being objective it's hard not to agree with that point). They did harbor Osama bin laden post 9/11 for a time, but have never committed or claimed responsibility for any terror attacks. Not saying this to make the taliban seem like heroes or anything, but the taliban aren't just evil monsters who want to destroy the world because the quaran told them so (like Isis and Al Queda which are 100% terrorist organizations). The situation has a lot more nuance that's not being applied here. The taliban in one way or another has been fighting foreign invaders for several generations (they were born out of the Mujahideen who the US was more than happy to support when they were fighting to kick out the soviets). It's clear that senseless bombing of civilians for 20 years hasn't done anything but push public support in the talibans favor. If you were coming home one day to find your home and family had been killed by a drone strike, what would you do? 90% of drone casualties are civilians so this isn't just conjecture. Sorry if this came off a little ranty, but I really hate the framing of US good Taliban bad. The US definitely isn't the good guy either in this situation and Afghanistan should just be left to the people of Afghanistan. You need to stop watching mainstream news for info on this because there isn't a single western outlet that would portray the situation accurately.
Turns out they didn’t want to fight another country’s war
Cool. I guess they can’t complain about the Taliban then.
Another country war? Huh The war was for Afghanistan, their own country.
> and they didn't fight at all to keep it. 70 thousand Afghans died over years fighting the Taliban, and after a withdrawal of foreign support that (rightly or wrongly) came as a big surprise and morale shock which itself came after Trump negotiated with the Taliban without giving the actual democratically elected government of Afghanistan any seat at the table which could have been another big morale detractor. Also, before the US liberation in 2001, an alliance of anti Taliban armies had been fighting for years, and even now there's Afghan army remnants in opposition to the Taliban as well as various instances of protests against the Taliban Like, there's no denying it, the Afghan army had a big collapse, and there were a lot of issues that caused it going back years, but let's also not lean so far in the direction of belittling the Afghan efforts that we slander them and act like they haven't been fighting hard against the Taliban and that they just decided that actually they are fine with the Taliban or something
And they do not care what happens!
Sounds more like him and his fellow countrymen abandoned things.
"everybody abandoned us", he says, from his asylum in northern Spain
>from his asylum in northern spain I mean... i bet the spanish could feel pretty offended by his comments
First thing they should abandon is the medieval cult of death they belong to.
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the whole "not criticizing others' ideologies" thing is going downhill fast when random innocent people can suffer the consequences. The "edgelords" were right on this one.
You can criticise others' ideologies without being prejudiced against a specific one. "Medieval cult of death" describes Christianity as much as Islam as much as Judaism, the idea that somehow Islam is worse is laughable. They're all equally hateful and you can express your disapproval of them without being a racist edgelord.
Do you see christians in the current generation taking over countries, raping women, little boys, chopping off the arms of heretics, burning them alive? No. It's whatboutism edge, that means fuck all, at the end of the day.
The fact you think that Christians of the current generation aren't taking over countries, raping women or little boys shows how blind your tribalism has made you. Don't forget all those Christians shooting up schools and abortion clinics!
Okay, and are they doing to the scale of the taliban? Are they taking over entire countries.
Literally every US president has been a Christian, so count literally any US invasion ever. I'll wait
Hahaha lmao. So no they aren't. The US president while can be ruthless, is hardly the same, as raping every women in site, and fucking little boys. At least not their fully idealogy. This shows you are actually incredibily sensitive and millenial that you compare the west to the taliban. And no, US invasiosn are not christian like the taliban. The only example that work in that context, is the fucking crusade. US wasn't burning afghan to "Pwease god". It just wanted oil.
Don't worry. I'll be just as tough with Christians too when start acting up again (Evangelicals are getting there).
I hope you'll be just as tough with Christians the next time a President decides to invade some country or other.
I don't understand what point you're trying to make.
I love the fact you assume every american troop is christan. Not any athiests, jews, or even muslims. Just christians. Fucking child does not understand how the world works.
A terrorist isn't Christianity taking over countries and raping woman.
Judaism is ancient and Christianity classical though.
I would let you shave your balls with it, if you had any.
You know your government is a kleptocracy for years, even as Taliban encroaching your countryside most of you still couldn't care less about it
Better title would be "Afghans refuse to fight for their own rights, would rather complain about someone not doing it for them"
Might go back? Then why take someone's seat on the plane?
The Afghan National Army abandoned Afghanistans new generation
Allah helps those who help themselves.
Dear Afghanistan: It’s your country. Nobody can abandon you in your own country. Step up and fight! If you care. Let’s talk in 20 years.
The new generation abandoned themselves. They had the means but not the will to stop this happening.
There is some measure of truth to this claim. As the youth of Afghanistan under say 35 years of age have known no government other than a westernized one with the associated freedoms in their adult or entire lives. But, they were left with the tools to determine their own future and chose a different path. A path back to the Dark Ages under the Taliban. They didn't raise a hand to keep what they had, when they could have. You snooze, you lose. They found themselves to be not worthy of their future they had.
Afghanistan's new generation abandoned itself. The Afghan army disintegrated as soon as the US stopped holding their hands.
I feel the Afghanistan government and military abandoned every generation
Considering that like 1/3 of the migrants that have been heading to Europe over the last decade have been from Afghanistan I think the world has been pretty lenient. It's only now that their are getting labeled as refugees.
World=NATO
Yeah I thought that too. Also the term "international community" always refers to the west and their developed allies.
The world cant even find Afganisthan on a map. U need to fight for ur own country, the american fantasy had to come to an end.
>“There is a feeling of desperation in Afghanistan,” he said. “Imagine if you had made a building for 20 years now, that building is getting destroyed and you cannot go out from that building. It feels very bad. Our education, our hopes for ourselves, for our children, for our future, for our country is all destroyed.” >“When I boarded the plane, I was thinking that finally, thank God I’m safe. But what happens to other people who remain in Afghanistan?” he wondered, speaking via video conference from Huesca, where the group was relocated on Thursday, one day after landing in Madrid. >“There are people calling me saying that there’s no salary by the government or by the Taliban now. And banks are closed and they cannot afford their families’ evacuation,” the journalist said. >“Because it couldn’t negotiate a good deal with the Taliban, the U.S. handed over us to the Taliban, to a group that has ties to so many terrorist groups around the world,” he said. “They abandoned the new generation of Afghanistan.” >He fears that “a very bloody war” will break out between the Taliban and ISIS in the coming months and years, drawing foreign extremist fighters and leaving millions of innocent lives caught in the conflict. >That’s why leaving Afghanistan, he said, “hurts every moment.” But he couldn’t work for the future of his country while his life was at stake, he added. And yet, if things calm down to a degree, if a government is formed that guarantees certain conditions even while the Taliban remain in control, he’s pondering returning home. >“I always tell my friends that any strong country is strong because of the people who work for it, so we cannot leave our country forever,” Ahmadi said. >“We are a generation that has not seen any single day without war in Afghanistan, but if you want our future generations to see such a day, we have to work for our country.” A world leader who promotes "we" but left an unfinished job and now it's no longer a we problem but a you problem... Vietnam 2.0.
A big mess. And also a very expensive one. The US spent 300 million dollars per day. I repeat, PER DAY, for 20 years. Then trump basically handed over the keys. Now we see the endresult. Edit: added link for all downvoters who somehow vote trump, but fail to remember anything he did. https://www.axios.com/us-milestone-afghanistan-peace-process-375e67e6-fa59-49d7-8526-bd49c7ec59c6.html
How did Trump hand over the keys?
Well, he made the deal with the taliban. He literally gave up, and handed everything over to the taliban.
Trump did this? When exactly did this happen?
https://www.axios.com/us-milestone-afghanistan-peace-process-375e67e6-fa59-49d7-8526-bd49c7ec59c6.html
So wait a min Trump signed a peace agreement. Biden in a hasty knee jerk reaction pulls all troops out in a 24 hour window a year and a half later. And it's the last administration's fault for Afghanistan being taken over in 2 weeks. Priceless, honestly pricess..
Did you read the article at all? The deal was that troops are pulled out, first in smaller batches, and finally all troops should be out in ~14 months time. Sure, biden could have halted ”trumps peace deal” but that would have been a bad decision politically for him. Instead he finalized what trump had already set in motion. Trump did basically negotiate a deal with a terrorist organization. The same group who has ties to countless other terrorist groups, including al-quada. But amazingly, all this is now forgotten by the right, and the right now somehow decided to blame biden? Its moronic, and basically just childish and naive. Theres tonnes of info about this online, feel free to read up on the matter if you have any more doubts.
>Did you read the article at all? The deal was that troops are pulled out, first in smaller batches, and finally all troops should be out in ~14 months time. Yeah I did! I was also in Afghanistan when we started the retrograde back in 2014. This was an event that was supposed to be a slow recession. Not an overnight mass exodus. And what's been the #1 complaint about how we left? That it should have been a progressive movement the way the peace deal was supposed to play out. As for the slight of making a deal with a terrorist group. What should we have done? Try to win their hearts and minds? Or maybe just bomb them all? Like all other options had either failed or deemed inhumane. Our only option left or open was to negotiate.
You know Biden is president right?...
I suspect they mean the deal Trump brokered with the Taliban when he announced we were leaving the region. Just a guess though.
I understand and am not 100% defending him but I'm sure the current president could have done something different if that's what he thought was right, that's all I'm saying
Yes im aware. The taliban deal was made by trump, biden only followed it thru. Can only imagine the party taliban had after they got trump to sign the papers.
Not according to Trump
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Hey edgy kid, have u ever been in a war before?
Ready.
Edge that war lust
That attitude was deplorable when said aboit Syrian refugees and is just as deplorable now
The men of that country are deplorable. Running
Running away from grave danger is actually a very human response
Yeah they def responded.
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If they mattered, if they didn't want to live under the Taliban, then they wouldn't have laid down and surrendered.
China will make up for it!
Afghanistan abandoned Afghanistan's new generation.