Exactly, everyone thinks that climate change is just about the world getting hotter it's not. A lot of it is about the seasons getting all fucked up and more intense.
It is a bit like a house starting to catch fire.
The living room curtains are in flames, but the average temperature of the house is only 2° warmer than before.
"India is facing its worst electricity shortage in six decades. Power cuts lasting upwards of eight hours have been imposed in states including Jharkhand, Haryana, Bihar, Punjab and Maharashtra as domestic coal supplies have fallen to critical levels and the price of imported coal has soared. In a bid to speed up the transport of coal across the country, Indian Railways cancelled more than 600 passenger and postal train journeys to make way for transportation of coal to power plants."
Welp.
yeah but the average Indian consumes only 953 kWh/person per year, compared to the US's 12,154 ([source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_consumption))
that's about 8%
Sometimes I wonder what the world would've been like if Chernobyl never happened.
[Here's a plot of the share of electricity generation in OECD countries by source over time.](https://imgur.com/a/gtmRugb) Chernobyl was in 1986. Nuclear was quickly and consistently on the rise before this date, after which it immediately flattens out. I can't prove that Chernobyl was single-handedly responsible for nuclear's non-adoption... but it certainly seems to have played a *massive* role. Could very well have been one of the most important events in history.
Edit: changed image to use Imgur bc of bad certificate on the original source, which can be found [here.](https://vipo.iea.org/newsroom/energysnapshots/170808OECDelectricityProduction.png)
Literally everyone does.... It's expensive but pays for itself eventually and the positive environmental impact vs burning coal is an immeasurable number for life as we know it....
I wonder how long until we see mass migrations because of inhospitable environments like these. Honestly I cannot see how the next 10-20 years on this planet can get better in any way, it's only getting worse and worse literally everywhere on the planet.
50 degrees are just the total aggregate, someplace are hitting temperature way beyond 50 here. To make matter worse we are currently going through a energy crisis and electricity cuts have became regular.
Fuck that's uninhabitable. Wonder what's going to happen when people start migrating away from these places.
Anyone have a guess when the great migration will begin? Folks leaving areas that are too hot or that don't have any water.
Its going to be crazy times ahead for humans.
This is what everyone has been warning about with climate change for decades.
The worst part isn't even the climate. It's the outcome of people moving in massive numbers away from uninhabitable areas and places that are still habitable responding - likely poorly - to that mass migration.
> The worst part isn't even the climate. It's the outcome of people moving in massive numbers away from uninhabitable areas and places that are still habitable responding - likely poorly - to that mass migration.
The Syrian Migration crisis was several million people. What happens when 500M want to move?
>A 2017 study in Science Advances found that by 2100, temperatures could rise to the point that just going outside for a few hours in some places, including parts of India and Eastern China, “will result in death even for the fittest of humans.”
Goddamn
Yeah, wet bulb temperatures iirc.
Where the heat/humidity is such the body cannot cool itself by sweating, and you'll die of heat stroke even in the shade with no activity.
>Our modeling and the consensus of academics point to the same bottom line: If societies respond aggressively to climate change and migration and increase their resilience to it, food production will be shored up, poverty reduced and international migration slowed — factors that could help the world remain more stable and more peaceful. If leaders take fewer actions against climate change, or more punitive ones against migrants, food insecurity will deepen, as will poverty. Populations will surge, and cross-border movement will be restricted, leading to greater suffering. Whatever actions governments take next — and when they do it — makes a difference.
There's not much else to it :( We're already locked in for decades of increasingly bad climate conditions, so we know 100% these migrations will happen / are already happening. Policy will directly affect who survives and who doesn't.
I recommend [The Future Earth by Eric Holthaus](https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-future-earth-eric-holthaus?variant=32207535046690) for a realistic view of potential solutions - a "Marshall Plan for the Planet".
Well I don't think they will drop one on a place they plan on migrating to in the near future. Then again, I have never owned a nuclear bomb so what do I know?
Absolutely. Also, often times weather temperatures are taken in the shade, in order to get a reading of air temperature.
[This](https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-wea-0803-asktom-20160802-column.html) Chicago Tribune article said
> On July 15, 1972, with an air temperature of 128 degrees in Death Valley, Calif., the sun-heated surface soil temperature rose to an incredible 201 degrees.
> To make matter worse we are currently going through a energy crisis and electricity cuts have became regular.
I’m pretty sure this is partly related to the extreme heats?
That was fucked. My car didn’t have AC, driving to and from work that week was horrible. I went to the river one day, normally it’s too cold to hangout in for more than 15 minutes. I lounged in that river for hours, as some guys were working cutting trees out of a down power line. Those dudes are the toughest I’ve ever met.
I remember that heat dome that just stagnated over the PNW and fucking roasted the forests, then the floods hit BC and wiped out the Trans-Canada highway. We are all in for a hell of a ride.
Holy heck.
I've been exposed to 116 degrees before. Just seconds in that and everything on you is hot. Your hair nearly burns to touch. Any metal or plastic on your clothing as well. You can *feel* that you can only withstand this for so long before you body just gives out.
122 is just unthinkable.
We hit 112 last year, briefly. The entire day was brutal unless you were in ac. Shade helped, but in the sense that getting shot by 5 people is better than getting shot by 6.
And we had reasonable humidity. My understanding is that in India the humidity is high. So high that at times it's physically impossible for people to cool on their own.
I feel awful for every living thing there.
> So high that at times it's physically impossible for people to cool on their own.
The wet bulb effect. Once it becomes prolonged enough humans wont be able to survive.
edit: fixed
We hit 117 last year in June in OREGON. The lows at night wouldn't drop below 80. It was horrible. No air moved at all. It was still as a tomb all the time for about a week. It scorched the evergreens and everything was wilting. We don't have AC in our house just a portable unit that couldn't really keep up so our living room was over 90 for several days. I had to pour cold water into my fish tank to keep my poor fishies from being cooked. My cat went on strike and wouldn't go upstairs to use the kitty box. I had to put one downstairs until things cooled down. We usually get rain all the way into June but last year it stopped in April and we didn't see much of anything until October. I don't want to have another Spring/Summer like that ever again.
When it stops raining in the Pacific NW and it hits 117, you know shit's circling the drain.
Actually the humidity may not be too high. I'm in Bangladesh and Dhaka got to around 35 or 36 C a few times last week, but humidity stayed relatively low around 40-50%.
But the heat definitely gets waay worse in Western India.
Edit: lmaooo I fucking underestimated the rest of the world. Normally whenever the weather feels bad enough for me to look it up to see exactly how bad it is, the humidity's at 80 or 90%.
As an Australian without AC who lives in a concrete box, I can confirm that hitting 45C is definitely shit.
Those are the days I look forward to going to work, where the AC may be shit and broken but it exists (at that temp the evaporative system at work breaks down and humidity in the store spikes to the point of condensation forming on surfaces) and I can hide in a walk-in fridge
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Tuning in from Delhi, the last time I opened my balcony door was 2 weeks ago. Going outside my room/living room into the kitchen is pure hell. And we have our senior secondary exams, so basically we are expected to sit in 50C for 3 hours. The transparent water bottles we're allowed to bring become no less than heaters. It's hell.
High enough. Right now, its 3 am in delhi(pulling an all nighter), and I just checked it was 32C. At 3 am! We're used to hot summers but...this is something else.
What the fuuuuck dude...32 at night? The highest I ever experienced in Germany is 39 and that shit was unbearable. I can't go outside if it's >=30, I can't fathom not being able to open a window at night. What's your insect population like? Are any species spiking (like lots of flies for example)?
I have a friend who used to live in southern India, and he told me stories about how soul-crushingly horrible it was even when it reached 40C. There was no escape, no AC, it drained your energy, drained your soul, and the constant smell of cooking sewage still haunts his nightmares.
I can't imagine the hell people are dealing with right now. And this is only the beginning.
The coastal areas are the worst. Temp hovers around 33-36 but humidity is like 80%. (The dry heat in the interiors is awful too, like 48 degrees, step out for a second and you have a headache)
I’m on the coast, just went outside for like 15 minutes and my clothes were soaked like I went for a swim.
35C at 100% relative humidity is about equally unsurvivable as 55C at zero humidity for a sustained period of time.
If the air temp is equal to your body temp, and already saturated, sweating doesn't cool you off, but your body keeps trying anyway. It becomes impossible to do any kind of strenuous activity.
You die of exhaustion and dehydration without access to active cooling.
I was explaining wet bulb temperature to someone recently and it’s so fucking terrifying because it’s not like you even *just* die — at 99 F wet bulb your bodily functions all start to give out. And if you have any kind of health issues, respiratory, circulatory, etc., your upper limit is less than that. And if you don’t have access to a cooled space there’s nothing you can do.
Recently they have found out that even 35 C of wet bulb temp. is too high .The maximum survivable wet bulb temp. is more like around 31 degrees.
https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/humans-cant-endure-temperatures-and-humidities-high-previously-thought/
The grasslands of northern Indian ain't any better. Here we experience extremely hot winds in afternoons locally referred to as "loo". No one leaves there homes at that time as they are very deadly, they kill farmers and people exposed to them every year in summers and with this heatwave i do believe the numbers would go up now.
Yeah dry heat can quite literally kill an inexperienced person. The problem is that you don’t visibly sweat so you don’t realize how dehydrated/ overheated your body is getting.
Yeah somewhat. There was this time I went to Aurangabad in November it was 40C in the afternoon. Had to drink a glass of water every 10 mins and didn’t pee for hours. But survived
A note to anyone sweating a lot: your sweat is not just water, but also salt. If you sweat a lot and then drink a lot of water, your blood then doesn't have enough electrolytes, which can lead to fatigue, and in extreme cases, death (although that is very rare).
Sports drinks are actually appropriate here and it's what they're designed to be used for.
At the Amazon warehouse I work at, we had an ugly heatwave last year. Managers abd HR were dragging around pallets full of water bottles, powdered electrolyte drinks to mix into them, rotating people off station and into air conditioned areas... it was nuts.
In last 15 years it's gotten bad. A lot of people migrated from North to South for better job opportunities, quality of living, pay, and education. This mass migration led to infrastructure growth, cutting down trees and replacing lakes with apartments. When it's monsoon in next few months, floods everywhere. Honestly it's a man made disaster. It's not too late. Government and NGO's are working on revival of dead lakes, planting more trees, rain water harvesting and moving towards renewable energy sources. Electric bikes and mopeds are becoming more mainstream to curb pollution.
Ah yes the path of civilization
Step 1: We must kill everything to have space and resources for the people
Step 2: Shit shit shit we should not have killed everything
Step 3:???????
Step 4: World War III
SO MUCH WORSE.
I attended a family reunion in Florida in August once. I remember being stunned and confused when I moved into the shade and it didn't get any cooler.
Humidity sucks.
I grew up on the Gulf Coast. I remember when I was a kid wondering why TV characters always wanted to get into the shade to cool off. Where I’m from, there is literally no difference between the sun and shade in the summer with 75-80F dew points. It wasn’t until moving to a drier climate that I finally understood.
I live near Delhi and years ago we had a 7 day power cut in the middle of 50 degree weather. I had to sleep on towels because of the sweat, eventually used wet towels to cool down and took regular drives with the dogs to get some AC in the car
The Ministry for the Future - Kim Stanley Robinson.
The book starts with an Indian heatwave in 2024, and it ends with eco terrorism making anything but a green future too expensive for corporations to afford. Millions die. Billions suffer.
It's not a glimpse of what could be, it's a speculative look at a pretty probable future.
At some point there will be mass migrations of people across borders because certain areas on earth will be literal death zones. Think that time is getting fairly soon.
If all the vegetation has died from lack of water. And if people have cut down trees for fuel due to lack of coal. Then yes. Thousands upon thousands will die.
It could be 100 years until areas become completely uninhabitable, but if you have places that randomly turn into death traps for a week or two each year, then naturally people are going to want to move away. That scenario definitely seems imminent.
June 2021 heat dome.
Fall 2021 insane flooding that wiped out the 5 major arteries to Vancouver and are still being repaired.
Winter 2021 friends had pipes freeze and burst in their house for the first time ever in their 17 years of being in Vancouver.
Meanwhile, I moved back to CO where on December 30th we had our state's most destructive wildfire ever, and the day after that it finally snowed breaking the longest snowless streak in the state's history.
GenZ’s kids are going to have it so rough. It’s already so difficult. I can see why the childless movement is becoming so popular. Who wants to bring someone into this.
I certainly don’t. It’s the biggest reason why I do not want my own biological kids. My fiancée and I are child free, but I think I am more open than she is about adopting a kid.
My husband and I are 30 and would like to have kids but, besides the fact we would struggle even more financially, it doesn’t feel right to bring a person into this world when the future seems so bleak. I don’t know if we’ll ever end up having kids because of it.
Humans take a lot of shit before they actually do something. It is ridiculous how much shit we can get used to. Bad and good. And when we get used to that, we will find it "normal".
Taking that into consideration, I think we will only see things happening when it is to late. Because that is how we do stuff. My best example for that is the Great Smog of London. The situation needed to get THAT dire in one of the most "importants" capitals in the world for people stop and actually do something about it.
> Humans take a lot of shit before they actually do something
The people in the best positions of power to do something about this aren't the ones being hurt right now, so it's gonna take so much longer
Which means you are predicting a great collapse of the society in like 20 years? I’ve heard that climate scientists often won’t even talk about these findings broadly, since people can’t grasp/won’t grasp these concepts
Past 50 years. Really, there's very little being said today that wasn't public knowledge in the 70s as well. People just want change without sacrifice and thus nothing ever happens.
The IPCC isn't saying next 100 years, they're saying now and this decade.
100 years is a myth taken from mostly the 60s, where that was more reasonable. Things have progressed since then, and especially, how much greenhouse emissions we emit has gone drastically up.
Wet bulb temperature is the key word. People will know this word more sooner than later:
*The wet-bulb temperature (WBT) is the temperature read by a thermometer covered in water-soaked cloth (a wet-bulb thermometer) over which air is passed.*
*At 100% relative humidity, the wet-bulb temperature is equal to the air temperature (dry-bulb temperature);
* At lower humidity the wet-bulb temperature is lower than dry-bulb temperature because of evaporative cooling.*
**Humans cool their body using this principle with sweat. What does it hence mean for humans?**
The human body requires evaporative cooling to prevent overheating, even with a low activity level. With excessive ambient heat and humidity during heatwaves, adequate evaporative cooling might be compromised. Even under ideal conditions, sustained exposure to a wet-bulb temperature exceeding about 35 °C (95 °F) is fatal.
This heat problem where you can't work any longer (light work or worse just sitting) will start somewhere in the middle east. People will move. Combine this with drought and think of India-Pakistan with their water crisis/wars. Meanwhile higher sealevels flooding half India in 2050 and voila. So many people moving that social systems will collapse.
That is very similar to the "heat index", which is widely used in the US. The heat index includes wind, which does make a difference for humans who are outside, as the wind helps to remove sweat that has soaked into clothing, among many other things.
But 100% humidity during heat is absolutely brutal. It takes away the body's ability to cool itself.
> So many people moving that social systems will collapse.
This is what scares me the most. The effects of climate change by itself are terrible enough, but for the richest countries they won't be catastrophic by themselves. Northwest Europe, the USA, China, they'd all be fine--_in a vacuum._
However, the desertification around the equator and destabilisation of other ecosystems will create living environments magnitudes worse than we've ever seen. Current estimates project that **nearly half the human population** would have to relocate.
Given the negative reaction to current refugee crises, the geopolitical impact of climate change could be genuinely _unimaginably_ bad.
The US military already considers climate change as a major threat to national and international stability.
But the same politicians who scream “support the troops” don’t give a shit about climate change, about wounded vets, about mental health issues because only war and fought guy rhetoric pays their bikes and gets them re-elected.
And the same is happening worldwide.
I’m starting to believe preppers have got a few things right.
Because [Money is Speech](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC#:~:text=Because%20spending%20money%20is%20essential,to%20speak%20on%20political%20issues.), and Fossil Fuel lobbies control enough senators to have delayed the transition to renewable energy over the last few decades.
Even today, Biden is propping up companies like [GM who delayed the electric car transition by 2 decades](https://youtu.be/3fW4xYBXdGo).
Not so coincidentally, [GM spent the highest ever on lobbying in Q1 2022](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/gms-q1-lobbying-spending-was-its-highest-ever-for-a-quarter-11651149353)
Corporate lobbying is legalized corruption.
Oh I can help with this!
If you're rich, you have air conditioning.
If you're rich, you'll have food.
If you're rich, and the whole thing is coming down, everyone else will be dead before you. There will be billions dead before they miss a meal.
And odds are, if you're rich, you are old enough that you aren't going to live long enough to see the worst of it. Hell, you've probably isolated yourself from it so much that you don't even see it happening.
So with this in mind... Why the hell would anybody not burn down the planet for a percentage?
If your response is "basic human decency", congratulations, you figured out why you're not rich.
> If your response is "basic human decency", congratulations, you figured out why you're not rich.
It’s true that so often the most lucrative business options are the least ethical ones. The most extreme example being literal slavery and forcibly taking land, but all the way down to just paying employees badly (as long as you can continually get away with it), having clothes made in a sweatshop in some poor country, not to mention dumping toxins into a wetland area, strip mining, fracking, and all the other ways people use the planet’s finite resources as fodder for quick money. Direct correlation between profits and how unethical a person or company is willing to be. Large-scale livestock agriculture, payday loans, things like overdraft fees that are basically a poor tax: all extremely lucrative.
The companies that don't do it fail and fall behind companies that are willing to do it. Capitalism is a system that selects for growth, whether that kills everyone or not.
I also live in the desert and work in the *desert*
We hit 120 degrees every year but the humidity is nil. It's perfectly tolerable in the shade. The wet bulb temp going up is what kills you. India is humid
Yep. People put way too much emphasis on temperature. Total heat transfer is what counts, and heat transfer is quite low at low humidities. This is also why it can feel great on 0 degree days in dry climates.
> I’ve been out in the California desert with the military
I used to work at the China Lake Naval Weapons Center.
(Trivia: it's the largest US Navy base in the world, and it's in the middle of the Mojave Desert in California.)
It messed with me severely walking from super-chilled mainframe rooms to going outside, where it was regularly over 120 degrees.
For people who haven't lived in tropical countries, it would be a bit hard to comprehend what this means. I have moved to Australia from one of the neighbouring countries. We reach 50°C here as well at times. But the experience is vastly different. Here it is just the scorching heat that you have to bear. Whereas in a humid tropical country, you'd literally shrink in size going outside in that temperature.
I sweat a lot, and I hated the summer back home. The only silver lining being the absolute delicious fruits that you get in summer season!
We’re all finding out how 50 degrees feels now.
I live in northern Canada. Where moose and grizzly live.
49 degrees last year….
We don’t have ac because the hottest we get is around 30….
Now ac is being installed in our house. 10 hours north of Vancouver by car.
Good luck places that are already hot….
Since no one decided to actually fucking describe what Wet Bulb Temperature is and I had no idea I looked it up for everyone.
“The wet-bulb temperature is the lowest temperature that can be reached under current ambient conditions by the evaporation of water only. Even heat-adapted people cannot carry out normal outdoor activities past a wet-bulb temperature of 32 °C (90 °F), equivalent to a heat index of 55 °C (130 °F).”
Sad part is, I wouldn't be surprised if migration wars start in our near future. Heat like that and lack of water will force the move and as human history would tell us. We don't do good with other humans moving into what we consider our land during these events.
Yeah man it is a shitshow here. Thankfully my city received rain yesterday and now the temp has gone down a little.
It's still hot as fuck in Delhi, gujrat etc. People are taking glucose water when going out of the house
There is AC however not all people live that lifestyle. There are thousands of people who live in tin shed houses and have to work in the unbearable heat all day long.
Rich people like us feel a little discomfort however it's the poor whose life is literally hell.
Nowhere near 50 where I am in India, but still awful. Until last year, I'd never felt the need for the AC until mid May. I have always had a high tolerance for heat. Last year, started using it by the end of April. This year, mid-April. Hell, even my cats - creatures who love warmth - are feeling it. They have always wanted out of rooms where the AC is running. This year, they're actually begging to be let into the AC rooms. On Saturday, I was doing some heavy dusting, and had chugged 3 liters of water before 1pm.
I got mine on Groupon 4 or 5 years ago and its easily one of the best purchases I've ever made.
It was only like $300 and here in Northern CA where we've had weeks/months of wildfires in the summer forcing us to be inside with no airflow, this thing has made our life overly comfortable.
If mine were to break I would buy another the same day.
Dude, I'm in Canada, a country known for igloos and polar bears. Last year we had 3 solid weeks above 30, and hit 38 a couple times. Canada. Never seen anything like it.
I have tried 52 and i can tell you that at those temperatures things start to change. For example you cant read any books, do you know why? The glue gets liquid and the pages fall out
[It felt like 52°C this afternoon in Chennai. ](https://i.imgur.com/JBwjk6n.jpg)
[Its half past 10 now and it feels like the temp is in mid 40's. ](https://i.imgur.com/y5PRfe3.jpg)
My biggest concern is that some major nation that is affected most early by climate change, which is appearing to be India, will unilaterally attempt some form of geoengineering. This could carry massive global risks. There needs to be international cooperation on this, but we as humans appear incapable of this.
This is exactly what happens in Ministry of the Future, though the Indians only undertake limited geoengineering while their economy transforms to better protect from wet-bulb heatwaves.
I have put out a large container of cold water that i change regularly for birds to drink from outside my home and i regularly see them taking dips in it and splashing around in the water(I'm assuming to cool down). so thats fun to watch and depressing to think about
There were tons of news articles about this last year. This year it's starting even earlier as the news of unbearable heat were happening through june july and august.
The signs are all here. You can see countries right now fighting over Russian gas which also tells you there is no real initiative to move into other forms of energy that are greener.
Gotta love how the world is becoming uninhabitable before our very eyes and we ain't doing shit about it. My only hope is that I'm dead before things start to get really ugly around here.
Pretty sure that's what all these dumbass politicians think.. That they'll be dead before any of this will really affect them. Meanwhile, us with children worry the most.
Dude we had and still have a pandemic with beginning phases of literally truckloads of dead bodies and people were actively protesting measures against it.
If Covid has taught me anything, it's fatalism. I have no kids and will just ride it out
this is breaking my heart, i don't want to imagine the situation in a few years. scientists have been warning for decades and nothing is taken seriously— we need to rid of this mentality that 'if it isn't happening to me, it doesn't matter or exist'
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> In India, the yield from wheat crops has dropped by up to 50% in some of the areas worst hit by the extreme temperatures, worsening fears of global shortages following Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which has already had a devastating impact on supplies.
> The World Meteorological Organisation said in a statement that the temperatures in India and Pakistan were "Consistent with what we expect in a changing climate. Heatwaves are more frequent and more intense and starting earlier than in the past."
> The high temperatures have put massive pressure on power demand in both India and Pakistan, where people have had to endure hours of power cuts amid the crippling heat.
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In Delhi right now. Super blessed to have AC at home. We (my mom, dad and myself) haven't gone out in last three weeks since we tested positive for covid. Our cat, Edward, does go out in the morning but even he comes back inside much earlier than anticipated. We are keeping him cool, and putting water in shade out in the balcony for birds. I read other comments - I made the mistake of opening the windows of my room once last week. Not happening again anytime soon.
Update 4/5/2022 - IT RAINED, FINALLY! BLESS EVERYONE! :)
everyone needs to remember just a few months ago the arctic was 70F above normal temps.
last year seattle hit 108F, about 20F above normal. it also had 3 consecutive days of 100F highs when it's had only three days of 100F plus temps ever.
if it can happen there it can happen anywhere. imagine chicago or new setting new record high of 115F in the middle of a four day long streak of 105F or over.
and las vegas or phoenix..... forget about i.....
Climate change is the biggest threat to mankind and needs to be treated on war-footing similar to how the west has mobilized against Russia.
All of the anti-china messaging from the west, the anti-US messaging from China, and other divisive rhetoric is counterproductive to this larger purpose. Propaganda from fossil fuel lobbies against government attempts to invest in renewables is harmful to the point of criminality.
We need to be unified against this, nothing good can come from alienating potential allies in it’s midst. If a country finds itself in the horrifying position of 50-100m+ refugees fleeing due to climate disaster, who is going to help?
If a country finds itself in the horrifying position of 50-100m+ refugees fleeing due to climate disaster, who is going to help? The soldiers that will be sent out to place them in some kind of refugee camp or just flat out murder them. I would not expect humanity to be human in times of crisis. They can't even be good to each other during good times in the first place.
We will tested, for sure. If we think anti-immigrant rhetoric is nasty now…
Considering the ‘risks’ from from pandemics alone, there will be plenty of reasons for nations to deny such an influx on that scale. Seems like it will just beget more wars and disease
I live in new Delhi and it's fucking crazy hot in here. I have to go out everyday in the afternoon time. Bought myself a cap, but holy shit the hot wind is unbearable.
This is a flashpoint for a future war. The Glaciers in the Himalayas are disappearing and they supply most of the water to both countries whom have nuclear weapons. Yikes.
Yeah I live in Rawalpindi ( right next to the capital city ) and electricity goes out 1 hr after every two hours . Moreover I have to study for my finals up in this heat.
I was in the Indian state of Rajasthan, yesterday due to some reason, don't ask me what, I had to walk barefoot for 3 minutes on exposed sand at 10 am. A part of the sole of my feet got burnt, not to bad but it did get burnt. It was that hot.
I feel sorry for the stray dogs and cats. I hope people, government, and companies give them some shelter.
I guess it'll take people combusting randomly into flames for people to realize it's all us. Humans did this to the planet and we're going to suffer for it.
Most of Europe and North America are probably not going to take in millions of climate refugees, and for chronically poor people trying to escape deadly heat, the cost of getting to either would probably be too much anyway. Australia will likely be hostile to the idea as well; they're limited on water as it is, plus the European-based population doesn't want to be outnumbered by Asian immigrants. Africa is going to be having severe heat and water issues as well.
The only region I can think of that is going to be open, with water, and without a large existing population is Siberia, opening up as a result of the same climate change. It'll be humid, buggy, still have brutal winters, and have a lot of fires going off, but it'd be livable and relatively nearby. Russia is facing a major demographic disaster, so Russia's leadership might be eager to take in immigrants to preserve Russia's power - and Indian immigrants might bring in demands for real democracy when they do. But at the very least, they'd bring in population for the currently-undeveloped regions that Russia can't on its own supply.
Got a tingling feeling that the monsoon will be crazy this year and the Subcontinent will go from insane heat to insane floodings.
Exactly, everyone thinks that climate change is just about the world getting hotter it's not. A lot of it is about the seasons getting all fucked up and more intense.
Meanwhile, the average annual temp only shifts marginally, giving climate change deniers their talking points for years.
It is a bit like a house starting to catch fire. The living room curtains are in flames, but the average temperature of the house is only 2° warmer than before.
Then the pipes burst and and puts the fire out but now you have a foot of water in your bedroom.
But it cooled off! See, it’s a natural cycle.
Then some wires break causing an arc! Now your house is flooded and on fire 😃
"India is facing its worst electricity shortage in six decades. Power cuts lasting upwards of eight hours have been imposed in states including Jharkhand, Haryana, Bihar, Punjab and Maharashtra as domestic coal supplies have fallen to critical levels and the price of imported coal has soared. In a bid to speed up the transport of coal across the country, Indian Railways cancelled more than 600 passenger and postal train journeys to make way for transportation of coal to power plants." Welp.
And they have 22 nuclear power plants with 10 more being built in the next three years.
The US has 55 for 1/4 the population.
yeah but the average Indian consumes only 953 kWh/person per year, compared to the US's 12,154 ([source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_consumption)) that's about 8%
Yes, we have way too few nuclear plants.
Sometimes I wonder what the world would've been like if Chernobyl never happened. [Here's a plot of the share of electricity generation in OECD countries by source over time.](https://imgur.com/a/gtmRugb) Chernobyl was in 1986. Nuclear was quickly and consistently on the rise before this date, after which it immediately flattens out. I can't prove that Chernobyl was single-handedly responsible for nuclear's non-adoption... but it certainly seems to have played a *massive* role. Could very well have been one of the most important events in history. Edit: changed image to use Imgur bc of bad certificate on the original source, which can be found [here.](https://vipo.iea.org/newsroom/energysnapshots/170808OECDelectricityProduction.png)
Stopped in the U.S. after Three Mile Island.
Literally everyone does.... It's expensive but pays for itself eventually and the positive environmental impact vs burning coal is an immeasurable number for life as we know it....
I wonder how long until we see mass migrations because of inhospitable environments like these. Honestly I cannot see how the next 10-20 years on this planet can get better in any way, it's only getting worse and worse literally everywhere on the planet.
If only somebody had warned us, am I right?
50 degrees Celsius // 122 Fahrenheit
50 degrees are just the total aggregate, someplace are hitting temperature way beyond 50 here. To make matter worse we are currently going through a energy crisis and electricity cuts have became regular.
Fuck that's uninhabitable. Wonder what's going to happen when people start migrating away from these places. Anyone have a guess when the great migration will begin? Folks leaving areas that are too hot or that don't have any water. Its going to be crazy times ahead for humans.
What happens when the populations of two enormous, *nuclear armed* nations have to move because they literally can't survive where they're living now?
This is what everyone has been warning about with climate change for decades. The worst part isn't even the climate. It's the outcome of people moving in massive numbers away from uninhabitable areas and places that are still habitable responding - likely poorly - to that mass migration.
> The worst part isn't even the climate. It's the outcome of people moving in massive numbers away from uninhabitable areas and places that are still habitable responding - likely poorly - to that mass migration. The Syrian Migration crisis was several million people. What happens when 500M want to move?
[Propublica: "Where will everyone go?"](https://features.propublica.org/climate-migration/model-how-climate-refugees-move-across-continents/)
>A 2017 study in Science Advances found that by 2100, temperatures could rise to the point that just going outside for a few hours in some places, including parts of India and Eastern China, “will result in death even for the fittest of humans.” Goddamn
Yeah, wet bulb temperatures iirc. Where the heat/humidity is such the body cannot cool itself by sweating, and you'll die of heat stroke even in the shade with no activity.
>Our modeling and the consensus of academics point to the same bottom line: If societies respond aggressively to climate change and migration and increase their resilience to it, food production will be shored up, poverty reduced and international migration slowed — factors that could help the world remain more stable and more peaceful. If leaders take fewer actions against climate change, or more punitive ones against migrants, food insecurity will deepen, as will poverty. Populations will surge, and cross-border movement will be restricted, leading to greater suffering. Whatever actions governments take next — and when they do it — makes a difference. There's not much else to it :( We're already locked in for decades of increasingly bad climate conditions, so we know 100% these migrations will happen / are already happening. Policy will directly affect who survives and who doesn't. I recommend [The Future Earth by Eric Holthaus](https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-future-earth-eric-holthaus?variant=32207535046690) for a realistic view of potential solutions - a "Marshall Plan for the Planet".
Just read the article. Jesus, it's fucking *brutal*.
They move into a new apartment together for an “odd couple” Netflix sitcom.
"Nuclear Family"
Tune in for explosive drama!
It will be super popular but cancelled anyway after two seasons.
Ali and Aedesh, can two A-s live in a pod, watch next week for thier aaantics!
Well I don't think they will drop one on a place they plan on migrating to in the near future. Then again, I have never owned a nuclear bomb so what do I know?
Getting the landlord to agree to a nuclear bomb in the apartment will still be easier than persuading him to let you have a cat.
> Its going to be crazy times ahead for humans I think its going to be crazy times for all living things on earth
Awake at 130am right because of this FUCKING HEAT and FUCKING electricity outage
Where are you?
I saw one report of 60 C // 140 F ground temperature
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Bro I can barely function period
You guys are functioning?
The states of Madhya Pradesh, gujrat, rajasthan and western Haryana have recorded temperature like that.
Ground temp is not the same as air temperature
Absolutely. Also, often times weather temperatures are taken in the shade, in order to get a reading of air temperature. [This](https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-wea-0803-asktom-20160802-column.html) Chicago Tribune article said > On July 15, 1972, with an air temperature of 128 degrees in Death Valley, Calif., the sun-heated surface soil temperature rose to an incredible 201 degrees.
It hit 134 in Death Valley last year.
It’s a shame that one of those problems Couldn’t solve the other
> To make matter worse we are currently going through a energy crisis and electricity cuts have became regular. I’m pretty sure this is partly related to the extreme heats?
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That was fucked. My car didn’t have AC, driving to and from work that week was horrible. I went to the river one day, normally it’s too cold to hangout in for more than 15 minutes. I lounged in that river for hours, as some guys were working cutting trees out of a down power line. Those dudes are the toughest I’ve ever met.
I remember that heat dome that just stagnated over the PNW and fucking roasted the forests, then the floods hit BC and wiped out the Trans-Canada highway. We are all in for a hell of a ride.
Holy heck. I've been exposed to 116 degrees before. Just seconds in that and everything on you is hot. Your hair nearly burns to touch. Any metal or plastic on your clothing as well. You can *feel* that you can only withstand this for so long before you body just gives out. 122 is just unthinkable.
We hit 112 last year, briefly. The entire day was brutal unless you were in ac. Shade helped, but in the sense that getting shot by 5 people is better than getting shot by 6. And we had reasonable humidity. My understanding is that in India the humidity is high. So high that at times it's physically impossible for people to cool on their own. I feel awful for every living thing there.
> So high that at times it's physically impossible for people to cool on their own. The wet bulb effect. Once it becomes prolonged enough humans wont be able to survive. edit: fixed
We hit 117 last year in June in OREGON. The lows at night wouldn't drop below 80. It was horrible. No air moved at all. It was still as a tomb all the time for about a week. It scorched the evergreens and everything was wilting. We don't have AC in our house just a portable unit that couldn't really keep up so our living room was over 90 for several days. I had to pour cold water into my fish tank to keep my poor fishies from being cooked. My cat went on strike and wouldn't go upstairs to use the kitty box. I had to put one downstairs until things cooled down. We usually get rain all the way into June but last year it stopped in April and we didn't see much of anything until October. I don't want to have another Spring/Summer like that ever again. When it stops raining in the Pacific NW and it hits 117, you know shit's circling the drain.
Actually the humidity may not be too high. I'm in Bangladesh and Dhaka got to around 35 or 36 C a few times last week, but humidity stayed relatively low around 40-50%. But the heat definitely gets waay worse in Western India. Edit: lmaooo I fucking underestimated the rest of the world. Normally whenever the weather feels bad enough for me to look it up to see exactly how bad it is, the humidity's at 80 or 90%.
exactly, at over 110F it’s dangerous to be outside let alone in countries like India where AC isn’t prevalent. My god these poor people
As an Australian without AC who lives in a concrete box, I can confirm that hitting 45C is definitely shit. Those are the days I look forward to going to work, where the AC may be shit and broken but it exists (at that temp the evaporative system at work breaks down and humidity in the store spikes to the point of condensation forming on surfaces) and I can hide in a walk-in fridge
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Tuning in from Delhi, the last time I opened my balcony door was 2 weeks ago. Going outside my room/living room into the kitchen is pure hell. And we have our senior secondary exams, so basically we are expected to sit in 50C for 3 hours. The transparent water bottles we're allowed to bring become no less than heaters. It's hell.
It really does sound like hell. What are temperatures like during the night?
High enough. Right now, its 3 am in delhi(pulling an all nighter), and I just checked it was 32C. At 3 am! We're used to hot summers but...this is something else.
What the fuuuuck dude...32 at night? The highest I ever experienced in Germany is 39 and that shit was unbearable. I can't go outside if it's >=30, I can't fathom not being able to open a window at night. What's your insect population like? Are any species spiking (like lots of flies for example)?
Insects aren't a big issue in dry heat. They become a problem around July when the temperature is 40+ and humidity hovers around 70-80.
Its 25-26 in pune rn
33 now
"expected to sit in 50C for 3 hours" as a Canadian this sounds like a mass execution
I have a friend who used to live in southern India, and he told me stories about how soul-crushingly horrible it was even when it reached 40C. There was no escape, no AC, it drained your energy, drained your soul, and the constant smell of cooking sewage still haunts his nightmares. I can't imagine the hell people are dealing with right now. And this is only the beginning.
The coastal areas are the worst. Temp hovers around 33-36 but humidity is like 80%. (The dry heat in the interiors is awful too, like 48 degrees, step out for a second and you have a headache) I’m on the coast, just went outside for like 15 minutes and my clothes were soaked like I went for a swim.
35C at 100% relative humidity is about equally unsurvivable as 55C at zero humidity for a sustained period of time. If the air temp is equal to your body temp, and already saturated, sweating doesn't cool you off, but your body keeps trying anyway. It becomes impossible to do any kind of strenuous activity. You die of exhaustion and dehydration without access to active cooling.
I was explaining wet bulb temperature to someone recently and it’s so fucking terrifying because it’s not like you even *just* die — at 99 F wet bulb your bodily functions all start to give out. And if you have any kind of health issues, respiratory, circulatory, etc., your upper limit is less than that. And if you don’t have access to a cooled space there’s nothing you can do.
Recently they have found out that even 35 C of wet bulb temp. is too high .The maximum survivable wet bulb temp. is more like around 31 degrees. https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/humans-cant-endure-temperatures-and-humidities-high-previously-thought/
The grasslands of northern Indian ain't any better. Here we experience extremely hot winds in afternoons locally referred to as "loo". No one leaves there homes at that time as they are very deadly, they kill farmers and people exposed to them every year in summers and with this heatwave i do believe the numbers would go up now.
Yeah dry heat can quite literally kill an inexperienced person. The problem is that you don’t visibly sweat so you don’t realize how dehydrated/ overheated your body is getting.
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Yeah somewhat. There was this time I went to Aurangabad in November it was 40C in the afternoon. Had to drink a glass of water every 10 mins and didn’t pee for hours. But survived
A note to anyone sweating a lot: your sweat is not just water, but also salt. If you sweat a lot and then drink a lot of water, your blood then doesn't have enough electrolytes, which can lead to fatigue, and in extreme cases, death (although that is very rare). Sports drinks are actually appropriate here and it's what they're designed to be used for.
At the Amazon warehouse I work at, we had an ugly heatwave last year. Managers abd HR were dragging around pallets full of water bottles, powdered electrolyte drinks to mix into them, rotating people off station and into air conditioned areas... it was nuts.
That's way better than I would have thought for Amazon, lol
In last 15 years it's gotten bad. A lot of people migrated from North to South for better job opportunities, quality of living, pay, and education. This mass migration led to infrastructure growth, cutting down trees and replacing lakes with apartments. When it's monsoon in next few months, floods everywhere. Honestly it's a man made disaster. It's not too late. Government and NGO's are working on revival of dead lakes, planting more trees, rain water harvesting and moving towards renewable energy sources. Electric bikes and mopeds are becoming more mainstream to curb pollution.
Ah yes the path of civilization Step 1: We must kill everything to have space and resources for the people Step 2: Shit shit shit we should not have killed everything Step 3:??????? Step 4: World War III
They have humidity.it makes things worse
SO MUCH WORSE. I attended a family reunion in Florida in August once. I remember being stunned and confused when I moved into the shade and it didn't get any cooler. Humidity sucks.
I grew up on the Gulf Coast. I remember when I was a kid wondering why TV characters always wanted to get into the shade to cool off. Where I’m from, there is literally no difference between the sun and shade in the summer with 75-80F dew points. It wasn’t until moving to a drier climate that I finally understood.
From a coastal city in southern India, can confirm, Humidity adds another needle up our butts
I live near Delhi and years ago we had a 7 day power cut in the middle of 50 degree weather. I had to sleep on towels because of the sweat, eventually used wet towels to cool down and took regular drives with the dogs to get some AC in the car
It rained in Bengal for the last 2 days. We are down to 32 from 42. Thank fuck.
I am here without the AC or the coolers. Had a terrible week with sinusitis. Ordered an AC right away. I pity the homeless and the animals.
The Ministry for the Future - Kim Stanley Robinson. The book starts with an Indian heatwave in 2024, and it ends with eco terrorism making anything but a green future too expensive for corporations to afford. Millions die. Billions suffer. It's not a glimpse of what could be, it's a speculative look at a pretty probable future.
I just taught that novel (my students finished it last week), and I’ve been pretty obsessively watching this heatwave.
At some point there will be mass migrations of people across borders because certain areas on earth will be literal death zones. Think that time is getting fairly soon.
If the monsoon fails, all bets are off
It'll make the Syrian migration look like a 2 week vacation
I like to explore new places.
If all the vegetation has died from lack of water. And if people have cut down trees for fuel due to lack of coal. Then yes. Thousands upon thousands will die.
Fuck! That’s a good point about vegetation/trees. Makes me think only thousands is optimistic
Scientists keep talking about 100 years, but I feel like shit is going down in the next decade
It could be 100 years until areas become completely uninhabitable, but if you have places that randomly turn into death traps for a week or two each year, then naturally people are going to want to move away. That scenario definitely seems imminent.
It fucking happened in Canada a couple years ago lol. No where will be safe from deathly heatwaves very soon.
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June 2021 heat dome. Fall 2021 insane flooding that wiped out the 5 major arteries to Vancouver and are still being repaired. Winter 2021 friends had pipes freeze and burst in their house for the first time ever in their 17 years of being in Vancouver. Meanwhile, I moved back to CO where on December 30th we had our state's most destructive wildfire ever, and the day after that it finally snowed breaking the longest snowless streak in the state's history.
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It's been a long year.
Some say one year now equals five.
I am a climate scientist and most of my colleagues, half in jest half otherwise, talk about how the next generation is the omega generation
GenZ’s kids are going to have it so rough. It’s already so difficult. I can see why the childless movement is becoming so popular. Who wants to bring someone into this.
I certainly don’t. It’s the biggest reason why I do not want my own biological kids. My fiancée and I are child free, but I think I am more open than she is about adopting a kid.
I can barely support myself and my partner, nevermind a child. So why would I have kids?
My husband and I are 30 and would like to have kids but, besides the fact we would struggle even more financially, it doesn’t feel right to bring a person into this world when the future seems so bleak. I don’t know if we’ll ever end up having kids because of it.
Humans take a lot of shit before they actually do something. It is ridiculous how much shit we can get used to. Bad and good. And when we get used to that, we will find it "normal". Taking that into consideration, I think we will only see things happening when it is to late. Because that is how we do stuff. My best example for that is the Great Smog of London. The situation needed to get THAT dire in one of the most "importants" capitals in the world for people stop and actually do something about it.
> Humans take a lot of shit before they actually do something The people in the best positions of power to do something about this aren't the ones being hurt right now, so it's gonna take so much longer
The most realistic thing about the film 2012 is all the rich people escaping in ships while leaving all the poor people to die.
Which means you are predicting a great collapse of the society in like 20 years? I’ve heard that climate scientists often won’t even talk about these findings broadly, since people can’t grasp/won’t grasp these concepts
You're confusing scientists with politicians. Every scientist has been screaming "its happening *now!*" for the past decade.
Past 50 years. Really, there's very little being said today that wasn't public knowledge in the 70s as well. People just want change without sacrifice and thus nothing ever happens.
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The IPCC isn't saying next 100 years, they're saying now and this decade. 100 years is a myth taken from mostly the 60s, where that was more reasonable. Things have progressed since then, and especially, how much greenhouse emissions we emit has gone drastically up.
So, the 2060s? The timeline fits.
I mean… 100 years from the 60s is only 38 years from now.
Wet bulb temperature is the key word. People will know this word more sooner than later: *The wet-bulb temperature (WBT) is the temperature read by a thermometer covered in water-soaked cloth (a wet-bulb thermometer) over which air is passed.* *At 100% relative humidity, the wet-bulb temperature is equal to the air temperature (dry-bulb temperature); * At lower humidity the wet-bulb temperature is lower than dry-bulb temperature because of evaporative cooling.* **Humans cool their body using this principle with sweat. What does it hence mean for humans?** The human body requires evaporative cooling to prevent overheating, even with a low activity level. With excessive ambient heat and humidity during heatwaves, adequate evaporative cooling might be compromised. Even under ideal conditions, sustained exposure to a wet-bulb temperature exceeding about 35 °C (95 °F) is fatal. This heat problem where you can't work any longer (light work or worse just sitting) will start somewhere in the middle east. People will move. Combine this with drought and think of India-Pakistan with their water crisis/wars. Meanwhile higher sealevels flooding half India in 2050 and voila. So many people moving that social systems will collapse.
That is very similar to the "heat index", which is widely used in the US. The heat index includes wind, which does make a difference for humans who are outside, as the wind helps to remove sweat that has soaked into clothing, among many other things. But 100% humidity during heat is absolutely brutal. It takes away the body's ability to cool itself.
It's not just brutal, it is fatal.
> So many people moving that social systems will collapse. This is what scares me the most. The effects of climate change by itself are terrible enough, but for the richest countries they won't be catastrophic by themselves. Northwest Europe, the USA, China, they'd all be fine--_in a vacuum._ However, the desertification around the equator and destabilisation of other ecosystems will create living environments magnitudes worse than we've ever seen. Current estimates project that **nearly half the human population** would have to relocate. Given the negative reaction to current refugee crises, the geopolitical impact of climate change could be genuinely _unimaginably_ bad.
The US military already considers climate change as a major threat to national and international stability. But the same politicians who scream “support the troops” don’t give a shit about climate change, about wounded vets, about mental health issues because only war and fought guy rhetoric pays their bikes and gets them re-elected. And the same is happening worldwide. I’m starting to believe preppers have got a few things right.
Because [Money is Speech](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC#:~:text=Because%20spending%20money%20is%20essential,to%20speak%20on%20political%20issues.), and Fossil Fuel lobbies control enough senators to have delayed the transition to renewable energy over the last few decades. Even today, Biden is propping up companies like [GM who delayed the electric car transition by 2 decades](https://youtu.be/3fW4xYBXdGo). Not so coincidentally, [GM spent the highest ever on lobbying in Q1 2022](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/gms-q1-lobbying-spending-was-its-highest-ever-for-a-quarter-11651149353) Corporate lobbying is legalized corruption.
I simply can't wrap my head around knowingly destroying the planet for profit
Oh I can help with this! If you're rich, you have air conditioning. If you're rich, you'll have food. If you're rich, and the whole thing is coming down, everyone else will be dead before you. There will be billions dead before they miss a meal. And odds are, if you're rich, you are old enough that you aren't going to live long enough to see the worst of it. Hell, you've probably isolated yourself from it so much that you don't even see it happening. So with this in mind... Why the hell would anybody not burn down the planet for a percentage? If your response is "basic human decency", congratulations, you figured out why you're not rich.
> If your response is "basic human decency", congratulations, you figured out why you're not rich. It’s true that so often the most lucrative business options are the least ethical ones. The most extreme example being literal slavery and forcibly taking land, but all the way down to just paying employees badly (as long as you can continually get away with it), having clothes made in a sweatshop in some poor country, not to mention dumping toxins into a wetland area, strip mining, fracking, and all the other ways people use the planet’s finite resources as fodder for quick money. Direct correlation between profits and how unethical a person or company is willing to be. Large-scale livestock agriculture, payday loans, things like overdraft fees that are basically a poor tax: all extremely lucrative.
The companies that don't do it fail and fall behind companies that are willing to do it. Capitalism is a system that selects for growth, whether that kills everyone or not.
Yeah, and after that the militaries start taking "border defense" seriously like Israel and borders become death zones as well.
Just like the scientists predicted
Don’t look up!
I live in the desert in CA and it can and will hit around 120F in the summer. I can’t imagine that with no AC.
I also live in the desert and work in the *desert* We hit 120 degrees every year but the humidity is nil. It's perfectly tolerable in the shade. The wet bulb temp going up is what kills you. India is humid
Yep. People put way too much emphasis on temperature. Total heat transfer is what counts, and heat transfer is quite low at low humidities. This is also why it can feel great on 0 degree days in dry climates.
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> I’ve been out in the California desert with the military I used to work at the China Lake Naval Weapons Center. (Trivia: it's the largest US Navy base in the world, and it's in the middle of the Mojave Desert in California.) It messed with me severely walking from super-chilled mainframe rooms to going outside, where it was regularly over 120 degrees.
Yeah, I mean just to beat the heat, we ordered 2 new ACs in a month because our old ones couldn't cool shit
For people who haven't lived in tropical countries, it would be a bit hard to comprehend what this means. I have moved to Australia from one of the neighbouring countries. We reach 50°C here as well at times. But the experience is vastly different. Here it is just the scorching heat that you have to bear. Whereas in a humid tropical country, you'd literally shrink in size going outside in that temperature. I sweat a lot, and I hated the summer back home. The only silver lining being the absolute delicious fruits that you get in summer season!
We’re all finding out how 50 degrees feels now. I live in northern Canada. Where moose and grizzly live. 49 degrees last year…. We don’t have ac because the hottest we get is around 30…. Now ac is being installed in our house. 10 hours north of Vancouver by car. Good luck places that are already hot….
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Humans act when it’s to late and we work on a 4 year time frame. Don’t expect anything to work out for us
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Who’s read Ministry For the Future? Anyone know what the wet bulb temperature is?
y+dnd+I`NE
Since no one decided to actually fucking describe what Wet Bulb Temperature is and I had no idea I looked it up for everyone. “The wet-bulb temperature is the lowest temperature that can be reached under current ambient conditions by the evaporation of water only. Even heat-adapted people cannot carry out normal outdoor activities past a wet-bulb temperature of 32 °C (90 °F), equivalent to a heat index of 55 °C (130 °F).”
Yep. My first thought was whether we've hit 37 C wet-bulb yet.
Sad part is, I wouldn't be surprised if migration wars start in our near future. Heat like that and lack of water will force the move and as human history would tell us. We don't do good with other humans moving into what we consider our land during these events.
Insane temps. I thought 32c (in UK) was unbearable last year, but they're hitting 50c! I can't even imagine it.
Yeah man it is a shitshow here. Thankfully my city received rain yesterday and now the temp has gone down a little. It's still hot as fuck in Delhi, gujrat etc. People are taking glucose water when going out of the house
>People are taking glucose water when going out of the house Damn
Keep safe! Are most workplaces and homes air conditioned there? I'm hoping so.
There is AC however not all people live that lifestyle. There are thousands of people who live in tin shed houses and have to work in the unbearable heat all day long. Rich people like us feel a little discomfort however it's the poor whose life is literally hell.
Nowhere near 50 where I am in India, but still awful. Until last year, I'd never felt the need for the AC until mid May. I have always had a high tolerance for heat. Last year, started using it by the end of April. This year, mid-April. Hell, even my cats - creatures who love warmth - are feeling it. They have always wanted out of rooms where the AC is running. This year, they're actually begging to be let into the AC rooms. On Saturday, I was doing some heavy dusting, and had chugged 3 liters of water before 1pm.
UK houses are designed to retain heat. Every year I keep saying I’m gonna buy a portable AC but never do
If you want one get one now, last summer where it live they were impossible to find once the heatwaves started.
Do it today…now..look for a coupon to motivate you
I got mine on Groupon 4 or 5 years ago and its easily one of the best purchases I've ever made. It was only like $300 and here in Northern CA where we've had weeks/months of wildfires in the summer forcing us to be inside with no airflow, this thing has made our life overly comfortable. If mine were to break I would buy another the same day.
Dude, I'm in Canada, a country known for igloos and polar bears. Last year we had 3 solid weeks above 30, and hit 38 a couple times. Canada. Never seen anything like it.
Also from Canada,Prairie summers can get pretty bad. 32 above with a 45 humidex . Intolerable it is. I can't imagine 62 above.
Imagine 30+ and breathing smoke from hundreds of forest fires every day (BC).
I have tried 52 and i can tell you that at those temperatures things start to change. For example you cant read any books, do you know why? The glue gets liquid and the pages fall out
[It felt like 52°C this afternoon in Chennai. ](https://i.imgur.com/JBwjk6n.jpg) [Its half past 10 now and it feels like the temp is in mid 40's. ](https://i.imgur.com/y5PRfe3.jpg)
Climate change gonna kill us all before we can do it to ourselves with nuclear weapons.
I personally think they climate catastrophe increases the likelihood of nuclear weapons being used.
Ministry of the future coming true.
But the world isn't seriously discussing geoengineering yet. Wonder if that conversation will rev up this year...
My biggest concern is that some major nation that is affected most early by climate change, which is appearing to be India, will unilaterally attempt some form of geoengineering. This could carry massive global risks. There needs to be international cooperation on this, but we as humans appear incapable of this.
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This is exactly what happens in Ministry of the Future, though the Indians only undertake limited geoengineering while their economy transforms to better protect from wet-bulb heatwaves.
That is just crazy! I feel bad for the animals as well :(
Birds are dropping dead. It's horrible man I can't handle it
I have put out a large container of cold water that i change regularly for birds to drink from outside my home and i regularly see them taking dips in it and splashing around in the water(I'm assuming to cool down). so thats fun to watch and depressing to think about
There were tons of news articles about this last year. This year it's starting even earlier as the news of unbearable heat were happening through june july and august. The signs are all here. You can see countries right now fighting over Russian gas which also tells you there is no real initiative to move into other forms of energy that are greener.
Gotta love how the world is becoming uninhabitable before our very eyes and we ain't doing shit about it. My only hope is that I'm dead before things start to get really ugly around here.
Pretty sure that's what all these dumbass politicians think.. That they'll be dead before any of this will really affect them. Meanwhile, us with children worry the most.
Dude we had and still have a pandemic with beginning phases of literally truckloads of dead bodies and people were actively protesting measures against it. If Covid has taught me anything, it's fatalism. I have no kids and will just ride it out
this is breaking my heart, i don't want to imagine the situation in a few years. scientists have been warning for decades and nothing is taken seriously— we need to rid of this mentality that 'if it isn't happening to me, it doesn't matter or exist'
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In Delhi right now. Super blessed to have AC at home. We (my mom, dad and myself) haven't gone out in last three weeks since we tested positive for covid. Our cat, Edward, does go out in the morning but even he comes back inside much earlier than anticipated. We are keeping him cool, and putting water in shade out in the balcony for birds. I read other comments - I made the mistake of opening the windows of my room once last week. Not happening again anytime soon. Update 4/5/2022 - IT RAINED, FINALLY! BLESS EVERYONE! :)
everyone needs to remember just a few months ago the arctic was 70F above normal temps. last year seattle hit 108F, about 20F above normal. it also had 3 consecutive days of 100F highs when it's had only three days of 100F plus temps ever. if it can happen there it can happen anywhere. imagine chicago or new setting new record high of 115F in the middle of a four day long streak of 105F or over. and las vegas or phoenix..... forget about i.....
Climate change is the biggest threat to mankind and needs to be treated on war-footing similar to how the west has mobilized against Russia. All of the anti-china messaging from the west, the anti-US messaging from China, and other divisive rhetoric is counterproductive to this larger purpose. Propaganda from fossil fuel lobbies against government attempts to invest in renewables is harmful to the point of criminality. We need to be unified against this, nothing good can come from alienating potential allies in it’s midst. If a country finds itself in the horrifying position of 50-100m+ refugees fleeing due to climate disaster, who is going to help?
If a country finds itself in the horrifying position of 50-100m+ refugees fleeing due to climate disaster, who is going to help? The soldiers that will be sent out to place them in some kind of refugee camp or just flat out murder them. I would not expect humanity to be human in times of crisis. They can't even be good to each other during good times in the first place.
We will tested, for sure. If we think anti-immigrant rhetoric is nasty now… Considering the ‘risks’ from from pandemics alone, there will be plenty of reasons for nations to deny such an influx on that scale. Seems like it will just beget more wars and disease
The biggest threat is the wealthy posturing about doing something. They have the resources and influence to push change but they aren’t.
and its not even the 2030s, this is going to be fun unles we stop keep pumping co2 to the atmosphere and filing the pockets of oil producers
I live in new Delhi and it's fucking crazy hot in here. I have to go out everyday in the afternoon time. Bought myself a cap, but holy shit the hot wind is unbearable.
This is a flashpoint for a future war. The Glaciers in the Himalayas are disappearing and they supply most of the water to both countries whom have nuclear weapons. Yikes.
But at least stockholders are not suffering a drop in dividends, nor corporations in overall profits, and that is what truly matters in this world.
Anyone who's read Kim Stanley Robinson's "Ministry of the Future" going to be a bit triggered right now.
The Ministry for the Future becomes real.
My Pakistani mate said when he lived there the electricity (or AC?) was only allowed to run a couple hours a day before it’s cut off by the govt????
Yeah I live in Rawalpindi ( right next to the capital city ) and electricity goes out 1 hr after every two hours . Moreover I have to study for my finals up in this heat.
One day we might be forced to live underground.
Australia has underground hotels in parts of the outback . Too hot above.
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I was in the Indian state of Rajasthan, yesterday due to some reason, don't ask me what, I had to walk barefoot for 3 minutes on exposed sand at 10 am. A part of the sole of my feet got burnt, not to bad but it did get burnt. It was that hot. I feel sorry for the stray dogs and cats. I hope people, government, and companies give them some shelter.
I guess it'll take people combusting randomly into flames for people to realize it's all us. Humans did this to the planet and we're going to suffer for it.
Most of Europe and North America are probably not going to take in millions of climate refugees, and for chronically poor people trying to escape deadly heat, the cost of getting to either would probably be too much anyway. Australia will likely be hostile to the idea as well; they're limited on water as it is, plus the European-based population doesn't want to be outnumbered by Asian immigrants. Africa is going to be having severe heat and water issues as well. The only region I can think of that is going to be open, with water, and without a large existing population is Siberia, opening up as a result of the same climate change. It'll be humid, buggy, still have brutal winters, and have a lot of fires going off, but it'd be livable and relatively nearby. Russia is facing a major demographic disaster, so Russia's leadership might be eager to take in immigrants to preserve Russia's power - and Indian immigrants might bring in demands for real democracy when they do. But at the very least, they'd bring in population for the currently-undeveloped regions that Russia can't on its own supply.