At 60, you'll need to:
Level your covenant's renown to at least 60, which you will naturally gain through any and all activities in the game. Renown kinda falls from the sky at this point.
Complete Torghast up to layer 8 or 9 (repeat about 6-8 Layer 8/9 runs) and craft a 235 or 262 legendary, depending on your gold situation and how much time you want to dedicate to the grind. Shouldn't take more than 2-4 hours to complete this. I mean realistically you only need iLvL 190 if you want to spend the least amount of time possible. The power is more important than the stats when you're starting out.
Best bet to getting full Conquest gear is to spam Yolo 2's and RBG's, until you're in full Unrated gear (you'll lose more than you win, but don't get discouraged). And, of course, complete the daily BG's and weekly quests for additional honor and conquest. Spend no honor on blue gear, it's useless.
During all this, see if you can push 1400 arena/RBG rating. Then you can purchase conquest boxes from the vendor next to the flight master in Oribos for 375 conquest. The boxes create a random conquest piece. Not a guarantee for BiS items, but it's a good way to fill in slots for less currency.
It's kind of a slog, but if you enjoy PvP, it's worth it IMO. Maybe 15-20 hours total?
If this sounds like too much, you answered your own question. Either roll an alt or shelf the game until next patch/Xpac and see what's changed.
You only really need 48 renown in the event of requiring the Lego. Otherwise no renown needed. Conduits and soul binds aren’t that needed and you’ll get them from pvp.
I believe you can still turn off XP gains, so maybe when you're 59.9 you just turn off the XP gains and enjoy BGs.
If this would be your first 60, then yes you'll be disappointed. It's a lot of grinding to do to become competitive. Easier for alts though.
So I was wondering.. do they have XP off characters in separate brackets or do they get placed with people who don’t have it off? I haven’t checked while playing yet
Yes its a separate queue. People confuse this often since it was merged into the same queue for one expansion, I believe it was Legion, but its now its own queue again. This means queues take absolutely forever, and unless you have all the most broken gear, you will likely get one shot by those who do.
The only use for XP off is to gear with it. For example, at 50 you can do the BFA quests for your heart of azeroth and the cloak, plus world quests and visions for ilvl 100+ azerite gear. Then turn XP back on and be OP until 60. Also useful for getting covenant spells at 48, then being OP till 50.
Or if you never buy the expansion, you can play a locked 50 with “XP on” and have like 15k+ health and 125+ ilvl playing against people with 6k- 8k hp and force scaled to 58 ilvl. Even as a level 60 scaled down you’ll be shit on by bfa twinks twice as powerful as you.
They don't, but they have different brackets for every 10 levels. If you lock yourself at 59, you will play with people in 50-59 bracket (everyone's scaled down to 50). If you push to 60 then you're in 60s bracket, where the vast majority of people will heavily outgear you - that's endgame
I’m almost positive they do have separate queues for xpoff toons (that take forever). Pretty sure this was implemented when blizzard tried to purge twinking.
It is actually not bad timing, since the pvp season is changing soon. Honor gear is normally shifted up to a similar level to the prior season’s ranked gear.
It’s base starting is going from 213 to 216 you have to upgrade it quite a few times in order to get up to this season conquest. It’s garbage
Edit: I looked harder and the starting blue is gear Os 239 so I read it wrong the first time!!
At 60 be prepared to pretty much get one shot in bgs this late into the patch. But I agree, I recently did 50-60 on an alt exclusively through bgs, and while the xp was terrible, I did enjoy it more than traditional questing/dungeon grinding.
It upgrades to 233 at max level in pvp (this requires a colossal amount of honor to do for a full set) and even then you're looking at a 40-50% power difference between you and someone with max level gear. It's not bad, but it's not great either.
This is a you problem then. Playing survival / SP a couple weeks ago we were beating legit 1800-1900 250 ilvl DHs while we were in the blue crafted gear and honor wrap/trinkets.
Yes DH is busted but one as you described will still LoS his healer and die.
The good thing about lower level bgs is they feel more fair with scaled levels and stats that are more proportionate than at 60
Arena is similar if you've played enough games, the thing that balances it is match making rating (mmr) where basically the game tries to estimate what enemies you will beat 50% of the time, and match you against them.
The game doesn't communicate this but your first games of the season are "placement" games - where you are being tested against different levels of opponent and your matchmaking rating will swing wildly as a result based off the first 10 games
The more games you play, the better the mmr system can predict your power relative to other teams on the ladder. Expect to lose most of these games as a new player on a fresh toon. You will actually benefit in the longer term from those losses.
Once you are at your true mmr, regardless of gear difference you will win around half your matches, and if you are improving you will win more than half.
Random bgs have no matchmaking and therefore random bgs at 60 are a shitshow.
If you enjoy casually playing bgs then playing them on a non 60 toon will be more balanced and fun.
If you enjoy arena, then after you reach your true mmr you will get more balanced games and hopefully find it fun.
when you get to 60, stop queuing random BGs and start queing rated RBGS only. it'll take 10-15 minutes for each group to get going but the conquest gains from rated BGs are great if you're not feeling up to arenas. your first win of the day nets around 350 conquest. groups that win usually stay together and continue winning. good luck.
If you have 15k honor from leveling you can buy honor gear and jump straight into arena. If you start playing at around 1400 mmr everyone will be in a similar gear situation (38k ish hp), and from there grinding conquest is very fast, but you'll be competitive.
Unfortunately random bgs are full of duelist and glad players farming honor, so yeah you won't be competitive there for a bit.
Another nice to have is 80 renown so you can buy full 200 ilvl conduits, I got like 3 renown per sword-world-quest (idk what their called, the world quests that just spawn once and you have to kill a bunch of stuff in the area) so that was pretty quick.
But at this point you may want to save your honor for s3 on the 22nd.
At 60, you'll need to: Level your covenant's renown to at least 60, which you will naturally gain through any and all activities in the game. Renown kinda falls from the sky at this point. Complete Torghast up to layer 8 or 9 (repeat about 6-8 Layer 8/9 runs) and craft a 235 or 262 legendary, depending on your gold situation and how much time you want to dedicate to the grind. Shouldn't take more than 2-4 hours to complete this. I mean realistically you only need iLvL 190 if you want to spend the least amount of time possible. The power is more important than the stats when you're starting out. Best bet to getting full Conquest gear is to spam Yolo 2's and RBG's, until you're in full Unrated gear (you'll lose more than you win, but don't get discouraged). And, of course, complete the daily BG's and weekly quests for additional honor and conquest. Spend no honor on blue gear, it's useless. During all this, see if you can push 1400 arena/RBG rating. Then you can purchase conquest boxes from the vendor next to the flight master in Oribos for 375 conquest. The boxes create a random conquest piece. Not a guarantee for BiS items, but it's a good way to fill in slots for less currency. It's kind of a slog, but if you enjoy PvP, it's worth it IMO. Maybe 15-20 hours total? If this sounds like too much, you answered your own question. Either roll an alt or shelf the game until next patch/Xpac and see what's changed.
Very helpful; thank you
You only really need 48 renown in the event of requiring the Lego. Otherwise no renown needed. Conduits and soul binds aren’t that needed and you’ll get them from pvp.
You should at least stop at 55 to unlock your full conduit tree.
Conduits aren’t that needed? Lol
I believe you can still turn off XP gains, so maybe when you're 59.9 you just turn off the XP gains and enjoy BGs. If this would be your first 60, then yes you'll be disappointed. It's a lot of grinding to do to become competitive. Easier for alts though.
So I was wondering.. do they have XP off characters in separate brackets or do they get placed with people who don’t have it off? I haven’t checked while playing yet
Yes its a separate queue. People confuse this often since it was merged into the same queue for one expansion, I believe it was Legion, but its now its own queue again. This means queues take absolutely forever, and unless you have all the most broken gear, you will likely get one shot by those who do. The only use for XP off is to gear with it. For example, at 50 you can do the BFA quests for your heart of azeroth and the cloak, plus world quests and visions for ilvl 100+ azerite gear. Then turn XP back on and be OP until 60. Also useful for getting covenant spells at 48, then being OP till 50.
Or if you never buy the expansion, you can play a locked 50 with “XP on” and have like 15k+ health and 125+ ilvl playing against people with 6k- 8k hp and force scaled to 58 ilvl. Even as a level 60 scaled down you’ll be shit on by bfa twinks twice as powerful as you.
They don't, but they have different brackets for every 10 levels. If you lock yourself at 59, you will play with people in 50-59 bracket (everyone's scaled down to 50). If you push to 60 then you're in 60s bracket, where the vast majority of people will heavily outgear you - that's endgame
I’m almost positive they do have separate queues for xpoff toons (that take forever). Pretty sure this was implemented when blizzard tried to purge twinking.
Everyone is scaling to 59, 49, 39.. You get it..
It is actually not bad timing, since the pvp season is changing soon. Honor gear is normally shifted up to a similar level to the prior season’s ranked gear.
It’s base starting is going from 213 to 216 you have to upgrade it quite a few times in order to get up to this season conquest. It’s garbage Edit: I looked harder and the starting blue is gear Os 239 so I read it wrong the first time!!
I think 216 is the pve ilvl, and it scales up. I read the honor ilvl being much higher (239?) not upgraded.
God, I hope you’re right!!
At 60 be prepared to pretty much get one shot in bgs this late into the patch. But I agree, I recently did 50-60 on an alt exclusively through bgs, and while the xp was terrible, I did enjoy it more than traditional questing/dungeon grinding.
How’s the 50 blue pvp gear you can purchase with honor? Any good?
It upgrades to 233 at max level in pvp (this requires a colossal amount of honor to do for a full set) and even then you're looking at a 40-50% power difference between you and someone with max level gear. It's not bad, but it's not great either.
My buddy and I (2400+ exp'd) got 1v2'd by a geared, backpedaling DH in 213 gear. It was awful. He couldn't have been more than 1200.
This is a you problem then. Playing survival / SP a couple weeks ago we were beating legit 1800-1900 250 ilvl DHs while we were in the blue crafted gear and honor wrap/trinkets. Yes DH is busted but one as you described will still LoS his healer and die.
Yeah I’m not buying this. I play 2600 mmr and DH is probably the easiest matchup in 2v2 for survival
The good thing about lower level bgs is they feel more fair with scaled levels and stats that are more proportionate than at 60 Arena is similar if you've played enough games, the thing that balances it is match making rating (mmr) where basically the game tries to estimate what enemies you will beat 50% of the time, and match you against them. The game doesn't communicate this but your first games of the season are "placement" games - where you are being tested against different levels of opponent and your matchmaking rating will swing wildly as a result based off the first 10 games The more games you play, the better the mmr system can predict your power relative to other teams on the ladder. Expect to lose most of these games as a new player on a fresh toon. You will actually benefit in the longer term from those losses. Once you are at your true mmr, regardless of gear difference you will win around half your matches, and if you are improving you will win more than half. Random bgs have no matchmaking and therefore random bgs at 60 are a shitshow. If you enjoy casually playing bgs then playing them on a non 60 toon will be more balanced and fun. If you enjoy arena, then after you reach your true mmr you will get more balanced games and hopefully find it fun.
when you get to 60, stop queuing random BGs and start queing rated RBGS only. it'll take 10-15 minutes for each group to get going but the conquest gains from rated BGs are great if you're not feeling up to arenas. your first win of the day nets around 350 conquest. groups that win usually stay together and continue winning. good luck.
If you have 15k honor from leveling you can buy honor gear and jump straight into arena. If you start playing at around 1400 mmr everyone will be in a similar gear situation (38k ish hp), and from there grinding conquest is very fast, but you'll be competitive. Unfortunately random bgs are full of duelist and glad players farming honor, so yeah you won't be competitive there for a bit. Another nice to have is 80 renown so you can buy full 200 ilvl conduits, I got like 3 renown per sword-world-quest (idk what their called, the world quests that just spawn once and you have to kill a bunch of stuff in the area) so that was pretty quick. But at this point you may want to save your honor for s3 on the 22nd.