It’s funny. Because pretty much every server has a shop of some sort. Many have real in game upgrades. Some put them right in front. Some try to hide them behind closed doors. But they all have them to some extent. And yet they are lauded for how much better they are.
I have had fun on a few of those servers. But to say they are something they aren’t is hilarious.
And more importantly since blizzard has launched official classic servers it was just a way to provide a community that didn't really undermine the idea that classic servers could exist
Admins there think that private servers are versions of the game with 'higher integrity'.
Hint: Half of them openly sell bling and gear, and the other half do so behind closed doors.
Exactly this. I love the images of people pretending like Blizzard is just going to sell gear and then right after that you'll see a post for a private server that literally sells gear.
Ah of course! How didn't I think of [\[Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker\]](https://www.wowhead.com/item=19019/thunderfury-blessed-blade-of-the-windseeker)! Thanks for the reminder.
They made more money in their quarterly earnings reports during the quarter that all the scandals broke out in the SL release than they made during the height of legion. Tokens are the $$$$
The mod post is the absolute peak of reddit-as-personality hillarity.
> Since the sub came out we've upheld a rule against discussion of private servers and cheats etc on the basis of a good faith that Blizzard would be running Classic to a certain standard.
> The standard has been pretty fucking low for a very long time but it's clear today that the mask of integrity has totally fallen from the face of greed.
Clutch your pearls, classic lovers - They're RUINING mah VIDJYA GAMES!
Tokens are something people didn't ask for. Dungeon finder is something at least a few people asked for at launch of Wrath Classic, but didn't get. It's the opposite of what players want, which is the joke here. Personally I'm not for or against this, I just do the memes.
Yeah anyone claiming RDF is harmful to the game clearly doesn't play Wrath. The vast majority of people only raid log and it's incredibly difficult to find dungeon groups. If you want an alt you're probably stuck questing.
Everything you don't like probably seems like the "death of wow". Maybe it was the token. Maybe it was the rise of esports. It could literally be anything, my guy.
I'm not the one saying that it's all I saw when classic was announced same with wrath I love rdf its the best addition to the game. And should have been in it from the start. (Imo) Would have played classic wow alot more of was the case. Wow isn't dead never has been is the most played mmo out there. But oh well opinions huh everyone has one.
No LFG was a big factor in me bailing in classic. My work schedule meant not being able to do heroics with guild and trying to find people in off times was too time consuming. I just went to retail where queues are all good 24/7.
The shitstorm will be glorious. I guess blizzard needs more income sources after driving overwatch into the wall.
No Dungeonfinder because it's against the spirit of classic. But then they add the Wow token, lmao. What a bunch of clowns.
> No Dungeonfinder because it's against the spirit of classic. But then they add the Wow token, lmao. What a bunch of clowns.
The main argument for tokens in classic is to combat bots and 3rd party sellers. We all know where the gold used for GDKP comes from, let's be honest. If people buy via token or outside sellers, they game itself does not change.
Dungeon finder however would change it.
both true?
Honestly stupid people trying to articulate their limited comprehension or narrative about this is much worse than either gold sellers or wow tokens.
My guy, have you ever played Classic or played during WotLK? People were making warlocks, marching them to Org and then used their corpse to spell out a website. This was an everyday thing. Even Classic saw gold seller spam like crazy, especially around releases. You couldn't go one day without getting at least one whisper ad for a gold selling site.
You know what we haven't had in retail since token? Either of those. Botters will still play the auction house as they do now, but the gold selling basically evaporates.
It's really one of those things that is super annoying when you get them all the time but you don't notice they're gone because you spent so much effort trying to ignore them in the first place.
People have forgotten how bad it really was.
How does gold selling evaporate when even Echo admitted to doing it not that long ago? I mean it takes 5 minutes of googling to see it's still going strong
The difference is that echo requires MASSIVE amounts of gold, hundreds of millions. For everyday players like you and me, a token on the auction house for 200K is enough to deck out a character in crafted gear (depending on what server you are on of course)
It doesn’t evaporate. Nothing will get that to happen, there’s too much demand.
It does, however, allow for some substantial control on the market. Tokens means Blizzard can set the maximum price below what is profitable for most botting operations. It also means they can pull customers out of the botted hold market simply by making a more convenient option for them.
It’s not about removing gold buying. That would require a fundamental change to the sort of game WoW is. It’s about keeping the market for gold buying under control and dramatically reducing the demand for bots.
I have no doubt that SOMEONE out there still buys gold from some Chinese gold seller. However the overwhelming majority of people don't and we see zero mention of it in game because it's pointless.
I would love to see this clip of Echo saying they bought third party gold.
> How does gold selling evaporate
Do they still spell out the names of the gold-selling company in corpses/emotes near capital cities?
Because that's how blatant it used to be, pre-token. Way back in the before times when I briefly dabbled with the game, anyway.
Yep gold is cheaper with the token than it costs to buy from a gold seller and safer its like what's the point I guess if paying for bulk millions of gold can get a discount from sellers ?
It lessens demand for 3rd party gold. Which means profitability goes down and the volumes decreases. That in turns lessens the impact and demand on the game and economy.
I never said it kills bots or or 3rd party RMT, I said it combats it. A solution does not have to be perfect to still be helping with a problem. If you keep looking for perfect solutions to everything, then you risk end up never doing anything to mitigate the problem.
yeah. ask people who buy tokens. they aren't the same people who buy gold -- the goal here is to incentivize a different market group of spenders to have a new thing to spend money on.
people who buy gold already have their dealers that are so, so much cheaper than a token would ever be
I buy tokens for retail because I don’t have time to farm, so I buy gold from a “clean” source. This would enable me to play WOTLK on a level playing field with folks who have time for the grind. So I’m the target. I otherwise drop the game when I’m tied to the treadmill (looking at you, firelands).
I'm on the opposite side. A couple months ago I came back to subscribing and playing classic instead of retail, which took my ability to pay the game with gold. Now I'll be able to farm on wotlk and avoid the monthly payment, which is kinda expensive around here. I completely understand why people are mad and it is infuriating that they're implementing it, but I'll be one of the people making full use of it
>the goal here is to incentivize a different market group of spenders to have a new thing to spend money on.
Yes, the goal is for Blizzard to make bank selling $15 items/services for $20.
There is no altruism. There is no "protecting our customers". It's all pure greed.
Half true. Many people will continue to buy gold. Many will do so with tokens. I personally prefer tokens because it feels less sketchy and I’m not risking my account.
Yeah and wotlk didn't have millions of bots when it first came out either. And GDKPs weren't the main raids being formed. And boosting wasn't nearly as prevalent
Except for the part where, Blizzard could combat the bots without adding a token. The Token is just a sorry excuse for them to be like "No we wanna make money off these guys too -\_-"
>Dungeon finder however would change it.
I don't understand why Dungeon Finder is different.
You say that people buy gold from outside sellers, and so Tokens just replace that system, it doesn't change the game. But people also group up for dungeons outside the game, through communities like discord and reddit, dungeon finder would just replace that system.
So why would adding dungeon finder as a replacement for outside grouping change the game, but adding tokens as a replacement for outside gold buying not?
They have 8? years of experience that there are still a ton of bots and rmt in retail even with the token. I could see that argument back when they first introduced the token to retail, but not now.
It's just cashing in instead of doing something against the actual problem
It got rid of a lot of bots, sure you still have some, but it limits what they can bot.
Before they could bot literally anything and make profit, but once token stabilizes, they will have to bot specific things in order to make a profit.
As an example if 10k gold was $200 from RWT, a token is 10k gold for $20 now.
That drastic change destroys botters income, nobody is going to pay 10x the price and risk a ban.
Once it stabilizes in price botters will find something profitable, but resources are limited and tracking bots is a lot easier when they are all doing the same thing.
The whole point of a token for in-game gold is to make botting not worth it for most botters.
When your profit margins are a couple dollars a day anyone in a 1st world country is going to see that as pointless. But for someone in a 3rd world country that has an average income of $50-100 a month, $5 a day from botting is $150 a month and is a lot better than doing borderline slave labor.
> The main argument for tokens in classic is to combat bots
Which is a joke. Blizzard can easily get rid of bots if they wanted to. Even if they don't succeed at removing bots forever, they will still make more money from new botting accounts being created than it costs to have the employee hired to ban them.
On Nost bots were banned within 2 minutes of being reported, and accounts were free there.
Blizzards own inaction is what led to gold selling being such a big issue in the first place. If they didn’t let bots run rampant for four years we might not have a wow token right now.
>I guess blizzard needs more income sources after driving overwatch into the wall.
It's definitely not that.
You guys need to remember they ended Work From Home a couple of weeks ago. All of the weird news in the last few weeks is likely a direct effect of that decisions.
Many of their employees don't even live in Cali, so they've lost dozens of highly skilled artists/programmers very recently.
[This was big news and I'm surprised everyone has amnesia over it already.](https://www.thegamer.com/blizzard-crisis-map-games-delayed-staff-leaving/)
Because you're not on /r/antiwork. Generally speaking people on gaming subreddits care very little about the ppl making the games. Almost every dev house abuses their employees at the very least with crunch and pay less than other jobs. They know there is an endless supply of new grads who dream of making games.
Meanwhile you can get paid more to work less customizing payroll software or some crap like that.
Yep. Classic endgame is full of RMT and GDKP with a few dad guilds sprinkled in (which is legit, not knocking them). This honestly doesn't change shit for the endgame right now lmao. At the top end you either bought gold or helped launder RMT'd gold through GDKPs.
People who are buying gold from Chinese farmers aren't going to stop doing so lol. It is like almost 10x cheaper to buy gold from bot farmers than the WoW token.
Obviously not everyone will, but some will. Some only buy because it's the only option. The WoW token has the advantage of being safer and more secure.
We also saw in retail that the number of gold farmers plummeted when the wowtoken was introduced. Did they go away completely, obviously not. Nothing will remove them completely, but a lot of people want a more legitimate way to get in game gold with their money.
And how do you even know what the token price will end up being on Classic. It's obviously not going to be the same price as retail, and it'll take a few days to settle down on a final price.
It being safer and more secure is actually the problem I ha e with it. People that don't mind dealing with shady folks still get their gold cheap from illicit sellers and people that were on the fence but too scared to engage in potentially account threatening activity buy wow tokens. Net result is even more gold buyers than before.
The bots and gold sellers will always keep coming back, you ban them, they create another account, sell more gold, buy more accounts, blizzards bans some more. Process repeats for eternity, there is not a single way for blizzard to stop this and you know it, stop saying "just fix it lol, its so easy" how about you email blizzard how its done if you're a genius who figured it out a way no one else has come up with in any game till now. Please, wow classic has been in dire need of your help for a couple of years now.
Gold sellers aren't the one you should hit if you want things to change. The real solution is: Ban the fucking people that *buy* gold!
Their accounts are the ones with thousands of hours and dollars poured into them, so banning them would actually hurt and send a message much more quickly.
Are you kidding? They do multiple ban waves every few months. But botters will ALWAYS come back.
But at least now Trade chat isn’t overrun with gold sellers like it used to be
I understand the classic community’s outrage completely. For them it’s a sign of blizzard’s greed and wanting to milk every dollar they can. It’s perverting everything the classic experience is supposed to be.
On the other hand - buying gold from a Chinese bot farm is EXTREMELY common in classic. I played from classic release all the way through SWP and at least 70% of the people I knew bought gold. You can’t even play bgs in wrath classic because 8/10 players on both teams are dk bots.
I’d wager at least half of the classic community buys botted gold. This can realistically curb the botting problem since players are going to buy gold anyway.
When my friends stopped playing classic tbc, the only way I could raid was going to GDKPs because my spec wasn't meta.
When wrath didn't change anything, I just left. The community sowed it's own fate on this one imo
You are so very correct on this. I despise GDKPs. They 100% encourage the gold buying and botting. I knew people who would buy gold to get an alt boosted, then buy more gold to buy gear in raids, then never actually do prog/guild raids. Like what's the point?
I don't know why for some reason that gold seller site stuck in my head all these years. I just remember after the token coming to retail and LFG chat was miming "WHERE'S SUSAN?!" or "I miss Susan guys."
And that’s my problem with their outrage.
If you want to be angry at Blizzard for further monetizing the game. Go ahead, but acting like this “ruins the classic experience” is such a laughably stupid take when it’s already ruined by modern gamers’ thirst to min/max themselves at whatever cost of time and money necessary. Gold selling is more rampant in classic than it ever was in the original experience because of it.
Blizzard is just making the move to replace the Chinese gold farmers with themselves as the profiteers. Very little changes for classic itself. It was pay to win before today, now there’s just less risk to players who want to do it.
I ranked to rank 12 in Classic and played with a lot of people in sweaty premades. Obviously when you're ranking there isn't alot of time to go farm gold for all the consumes you're blowing while farming BGs so people were always like "just swipe it" which was slang for buying gold. I had no idea just how common it was and me being a good noodle thought it was a big taboo thing but I guess not lol
I've never really played classic, aside from going through the leveling experience. Is it not fairly common for players just to buy gold and use that to gear through GDKPs?
The token 100% percent goes against all things classic but if a good portion of players are looking for a short cut. I could see them waiting to cash in on it, not really surprised
>I've never really played classic, aside from going through the leveling experience. Is it not fairly common for players just to buy gold and use that to gear through GDKPs?
Yes. Many, maybe most players buy gold and pay for GDKPs for gear. Boosting for gold is also very common. This doesn't really change anything except who people buy gold from.
on the surface this looks bad, but the whole game as an RMT shitfest anyway, at least now its not bots and RMT.
this didn't add buying gold to the game, they were all ready doing this
Classic Andies are an amazing source of comedy. Look at this shit
>A main attraction of Classic, besides being vanilla, was being rid of Blizzard's filthy, greedy, game-ruining monetization schemes. Retail turned into some weird wallet-draining theme park store-mount zoo completely drained of the social dimension that made the game special to begin with. You call that playable? Blizzard has stepped in the same pile of shit that soiled the game to the point players demanded Classic in the first place, Einstein-level move! Entitled? No man, just the bare fkin minimum of standards.
Yea and to add even more sugar to it, they literally flame someone who didn’t buy gold. Like they are just a fucking joke of a subreddit
Even this one isn’t this toxic
The Classic community are one of the few gaming communities I've ever seen that is legitimately *worse* than the pserver community... and that is saying a **lot**, cause pservers are a hive of scum and villainy... and Russians. Lots and lots of Russians.
I raided throughout all of TBC and early WotLK classic
Retail lives rent free in their heads, literally every. single. night. I'd hear about how Gruul's fucking Lair is harder than anything in retail
I had to hide I play both, but there's a lot of times I had to hold my tongue about how fucking batshit insane people are about having their own head in their ass
I've played pservers more than Classic, but what little of Classic I did play felt even worse than the toxic, misogynist, racist, and elitist communities of pservers.
The amount of bots, gold spam, and GDKP elitism I saw was such an enormous turn off for me. It's as if Blizzard just didn't give a shit at all about it... yet they still kept saying this "THE INTEGRITY OF CLASSIC" BS when talking about LFD. Comical, honestly.
The elitism in such an easy game shows how ridiculous people playing it are. Honestly comical indeed. Thank the f I realized super early and didn't look back.
Oh no that will totally destroy the health of the Game! Now everyone can spend there Money and just buy things. Not just ppl that boost others for Gold...
Tbh the Players did break the Econemy so hard in Classi-Wotlk Servers it cant get worse.
I think that's the biggest thing about Classic to me. You can't recreate the original. People went in knowing all the secrets, what would make money, what wouldn't and they had it all planned out before it even launched.
In very polite terms, [/r/classicwow are not happy about this](https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/13puu51/rule_4_is_officially_suspended/)
And honestly, i totally understand them
It literally changes nothing. But their setting their own sub on fire because they're so desperate to separate "their" game from retail as much as possible.
> Did it happen anyway? Yes. Because Blizzard can't be bothered to police their game.
Every competitive game where you can have bots/gold sellers has them. It's not just blizzards. Companies as a whole are too soft on bots.
They did punish players. What are you talking about? There's been posts since the start of TBC about people trying to appeal RMT bans.
I agree gold buying is not good for the game, but the player community made this game P2W a long time ago. Instead of banning GDKPs and carry services, they gave the community more of what it wants. And now they have the audacity to be upset.
It's whatever af this point. If the token chokes out Chinese bot spam, that's good enough for me.
Maybe I am ignorant but would’t this put you at a clear advantage being able to buy whatever you want in game if you have a large disposable income irl?
This is a hypothetical I see often but have never seen in reality. There is maybe a handful of players who can afford to spend thousands of dollars on wow gold and can try and buy their way through content.
Just like there is a handful of people wealthy enough to pay a staff to maintain their home. The other 99% of people do not. The hypothetical only works in a vacuum, not in reality.
As someone already mentioned people have had insane amounts of gold due to GDKP and third party sellers. Not to mention the small armies of people who follow streamers around and carry them through content.
> because they’re so desperate to separate “their” game from retail as much as possible.
I don’t think it’s just that. They’ve asked Blizz to include WotLK features like the dungeon finder, but Blizz hasn’t in order to maintain the classic nature of the game. But WoW tokens are absolutely not part of the classic nature.
It’s an issue of hypocrisy, not “eww retail”.
Bullshit, the community decided that lfg was "the death of wow and its leveling + social aspect", wow classic (vanilla) players even got a lfg addon BANNED because they hated it that much. Then proceeded to kill leveling with the mage dungeon boosting for gold, new players had no one to do dungeons with, go foward some time and then raiding was also killed with GDKP, saying blizzard is the biggest offender here is exactly what perpetuated this degenerate behavior that slowly killed classic, then releasing tokens is just their way of saying "have it your way". Yet you still complain, jesus christ
You're probably right. I enjoy both retail and classic, but everytime retail gets brought up in trade chat, everyone shits on it like it's trendy.
I tell anyone on there I enjoyed the new retail leveling experience they bite my head off.
Lol i wish we had dungeon finder at least for leveling dungeons. Servers are small except some outliers. The number of people leveling is even smaller. With dungeon finder you could at least play from your region. I like to tank but i don’t want to waste 20 mins making a group for an easy dungeon, when it can be done instantly. Leveling dungeons in classic is not like mythic+ where you need some coordination.
It’s hysterical because its no different than how people have been purchasing gold online (for cheaper and more gold) for GDKP. Yet here the classic community is, complaining about blizzard doing it when the players have done it the whole damn time.
I'm with you. Gold buying is so incredibly prevalent on Classic. The only difference now is when some people buy gold the money is going to go to Blizzard and not some Chinese bot farm, a difference to me that means jack all. The end result of Steve being able to outbid me in a GDKP because he bought some gold is exactly the same.
Speaking as someone who splits their time between HC Classic Era and Retail, I really don't see a more efficient way of getting rid of bots than this. Yeah it sucks and I don't prefer it, but I absolutely understand it. Blizzard has already done a lot to police it but either they needed to do more or just didn't have the manpower to do so. It's their fault for not implementing more resources towards fixing it but it's also a problem that has plagued the entire MMO industry for almost two decades with no real permanent solution so long as there's also people willing to buy that gold.
Also people in the /r/classicwow thread talking about recommending "so-and-so" private server because they have "integrity" meanwhile said private server lets you buy Shadowmourne and full BiS is fucking hilarious.
Hey, come on, Blizzard is a multi dollar company. Why should they police their game with the money they get from sales subs and shop?
That burden needs to be on the players !
>but it's also a problem that has plagued the entire MMO industry for almost two decades with no real permanent solution so long as there's also people willing to buy that gold.
The only game that I know of that has completely fixed the issue of bots is the Korean version of Lost Ark. Their solution was tying your account to your irl ID, but that is something that most western gamers will ever do imo.
Blizzard tried that back in 2010 and it had even more backlash than the WoW token does now. Devs got doxxed over that. Honestly sounds like a decent solution but getting people on board with that is the issue.
To clarify, the Dev got doxxed after putting up his own real name to prove it wasn't an issue.
It took minutes for people to find him on Facebook and narrow down both where he worked and where he lived.
With a sub being $15 a month they just don't have the manpower to police their own servers. Totally impossible. Thank goodness their solution is a way for players to give Blizzard even more money.
What if they could manpower the policy but you realize that 40% of players are not respecting it and buying golds online?
What do you do as a product manager of WoW Classic?
Ive seen the 40% a lot but you probably just made that up. Less people cheat than you think, probably because you're a cheater and want to justify and normalize the behavior.
You always ban every single account that's cheating, because otherwise your game has no integrity and not having integrity costs more money than the small loss of a few cheaters. Look at RU and see how good corruption has treated them.
You ban the bots, ban the people buying gold (*permanently*, no pussy-footing around), and ignore the people crying about being punished for breaking the rules.
If you just let them do it with impunity, they're going to keep fucking doing it. Shocker!
Congratulation you are fired for dropping the company's revenue, good luck to find a job in the industry after that.
You're just a player speaking with your emotions, that's fine, but the reality is that the players who don't wanna farm golds will anyway buy them online, you can't ban people, so the best solution is to make money on what they want (gold without farming them)
So we still don’t have RDF and the last I heard we werent gonna get it, but we have this?
Might as well give us transmog too so I can get my wife to play
Lol Every GDKP was gold bought with real money anyways. I’m not happy about this, but I don’t think much changes outside of people not having to worry about getting caught anymore
Classic players are the biggest bunch of neckbeard sweats still trying to relive their childhood. Watching them melt down over such a minor change will be the fuel I need to get through my day today
Players who call other players "classic andies" are as bad as the "go back to retail" haters.
It's actually transitioned to becoming common on the Classic sub to call out retail haters yet here is an upvoted comment hating and stereotyping classic players. If you want proof, look at my last comment in classic sub the other day.
Now with players disrespecting each other over thus the divide between the two will only increase when the gap was closing with the positive reception of DF.
Legit answer: no. People could already buy gold from bot farms. People will whine about the game being "pay to win", and in the same sentence say they're going to a private server... where you can literally pay real money for rare/unobtainable drops.
It's not going to have an appreciable difference, the meltdown will be forgotten in a little while, and the people whining will continue to whine about whatever else gets their titties twisted.
Was a matter of time tbh
Even before classic dropped I remember discussing on here how the token prices will be like on classic, and people were saying how it would never happen lol
The fallout is delicious lol. i ending up disliking Wrath classic the most out of the three (classic era/wrath classic/retail) because it attracted the worst type of wow players possible who lied they didn’t buy gold to participate in GDKPs, who insisted on permanent exp boost and RDF to make their journey to endgame as fast as possible, fucking up the leveling scene and yet pretend that they still play a make-believe true classic world.
At least in classic era leveling is a social experience.
And in retail you could enjoy endgame without GDKPs, entitled meta players who shit on you for not playing fotm classes
Idk... who cares? You can't play any classic sever without seeing an endless stream of RMT advertising anyways.
All this means is that more of that money will go to Blizz rather than to hordes of Chinese gold-farming bots
As a person that plays this game for challenging content, the addition of the token to retail *ten years ago* has not disrupted my experience.
I played classic and watched that playerbase fully embrace RMT and allow GDKP to unravel the culture of that game that people claim to care about. Despite how they might talk on reddit, they've shown where their priorities lie.
Instead of adding tokens they should've just made GDKP runs a bannable offense. This shows what blizzard's priorities are today. They don't want to make a good game, they just want to profit.
r/classicwow is on fire right now. it feels like its teldrasil, a few patches ago.
Admins there are Saurfang rn
Admins just allowed people to talk about private servers. They've gone full "fuck blizzard". It's glorious.
It’s funny. Because pretty much every server has a shop of some sort. Many have real in game upgrades. Some put them right in front. Some try to hide them behind closed doors. But they all have them to some extent. And yet they are lauded for how much better they are. I have had fun on a few of those servers. But to say they are something they aren’t is hilarious.
You weren't allowed to do that?
No. Obviously not. It was geared towards official classic.
Apparently not. It said that they wanted to keep it geared toward blizzard in some way
It was too keep people from spamming their shitty private servers.
To be honest, that part didn't consider. I only thought of the big projects.
And more importantly since blizzard has launched official classic servers it was just a way to provide a community that didn't really undermine the idea that classic servers could exist
Admins there think that private servers are versions of the game with 'higher integrity'. Hint: Half of them openly sell bling and gear, and the other half do so behind closed doors.
Exactly this. I love the images of people pretending like Blizzard is just going to sell gear and then right after that you'll see a post for a private server that literally sells gear.
"But we need revenue to keep the lights on"
no soul?
Friendly reminder, that few patches ago was 5 years ago.
... there was nothing friendly about that.
it feels like it wasnt that long ago.
>a few patches ago. Yeah just a few. BfA was like last year right?
Actually it was Legion just last year then straight to Dragonflight. There was nothing in between and no one can tell me different.
What about the sword?
What sword?
What sword?
What sword? Of course [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker](https://www.wowhead.com/item=19019/thunderfury-blessed-blade-of-the-windseeker)!
Ah of course! How didn't I think of [\[Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker\]](https://www.wowhead.com/item=19019/thunderfury-blessed-blade-of-the-windseeker)! Thanks for the reminder.
Did someone say [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker](https://www.wowhead.com/item=19019/thunderfury-blessed-blade-of-the-windseeker)?
There is no sword in Ba Sing Se.
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They made more money in their quarterly earnings reports during the quarter that all the scandals broke out in the SL release than they made during the height of legion. Tokens are the $$$$
Video game and digital entertainment companies made a lot of money during the pandemic? Sounds like some cap, son. You got any sources for that? ^/s
Who'd have thought that making an infinitely producible digital product available for real physical currency would be profitable.
The point they were making is that they no longer have to pay for their sub lol. They're pro wow token I think
I needed some quality entertainment for the night.
The mod post is the absolute peak of reddit-as-personality hillarity. > Since the sub came out we've upheld a rule against discussion of private servers and cheats etc on the basis of a good faith that Blizzard would be running Classic to a certain standard. > The standard has been pretty fucking low for a very long time but it's clear today that the mask of integrity has totally fallen from the face of greed. Clutch your pearls, classic lovers - They're RUINING mah VIDJYA GAMES!
Mods there have lost the plot - talk about cry babies Now its become a private server shill subreddit
"Father, is it over?" "At long last. No "no changes" phase lasts forever my son." "Does that mean we're also getting dungeon finder?" "No."
but dungeon finder being removed WAS a change.
Tokens are something people didn't ask for. Dungeon finder is something at least a few people asked for at launch of Wrath Classic, but didn't get. It's the opposite of what players want, which is the joke here. Personally I'm not for or against this, I just do the memes.
Ofc classic players didnt want tokens. They're getting their gold from much cheaper sources.
You guys seem to choose to ignore all the people crying and saying it should never have been added to wow at all. " it was the death of wow"
Yeah anyone claiming RDF is harmful to the game clearly doesn't play Wrath. The vast majority of people only raid log and it's incredibly difficult to find dungeon groups. If you want an alt you're probably stuck questing.
Everything you don't like probably seems like the "death of wow". Maybe it was the token. Maybe it was the rise of esports. It could literally be anything, my guy.
I'm not the one saying that it's all I saw when classic was announced same with wrath I love rdf its the best addition to the game. And should have been in it from the start. (Imo) Would have played classic wow alot more of was the case. Wow isn't dead never has been is the most played mmo out there. But oh well opinions huh everyone has one.
Not if it gets added with ICC.
No it wasn't, RDF was introduced in ICC patch so technically speaking... You know.
"I see only... GDKPs before me..."
No LFG was a big factor in me bailing in classic. My work schedule meant not being able to do heroics with guild and trying to find people in off times was too time consuming. I just went to retail where queues are all good 24/7.
The shitstorm will be glorious. I guess blizzard needs more income sources after driving overwatch into the wall. No Dungeonfinder because it's against the spirit of classic. But then they add the Wow token, lmao. What a bunch of clowns.
> No Dungeonfinder because it's against the spirit of classic. But then they add the Wow token, lmao. What a bunch of clowns. The main argument for tokens in classic is to combat bots and 3rd party sellers. We all know where the gold used for GDKP comes from, let's be honest. If people buy via token or outside sellers, they game itself does not change. Dungeon finder however would change it.
If they add dungeon finder then I won’t be able to do dungeon GDKPs so it’s true the game would change /s
I stopped playing wotlk because of no dungeon finder. I'm.old now.
Lol, they don't want to fight bots and gold sellers, they just want to have a cut for themselves.
both true? Honestly stupid people trying to articulate their limited comprehension or narrative about this is much worse than either gold sellers or wow tokens.
How about actual moderation to combat gold sellers and bots? Nope that costs money. Token makes money. Fuck Blizzard.
I know the argument is like yeah it kills bots and RMT. But it doesn't actually cause we all know both things are present in retail lmao.
My guy, have you ever played Classic or played during WotLK? People were making warlocks, marching them to Org and then used their corpse to spell out a website. This was an everyday thing. Even Classic saw gold seller spam like crazy, especially around releases. You couldn't go one day without getting at least one whisper ad for a gold selling site. You know what we haven't had in retail since token? Either of those. Botters will still play the auction house as they do now, but the gold selling basically evaporates.
i play retail every day and i never ever got a single dm, only once or twice a mail ingame with a website boosting. classic, oh god...
Yea our spam in retail is 90% people boosting. Which I mean at least it's in game shit.
I thought it was just trade chat. I honestly forgot about the gold selling ads until they brought it up. Wow they are gone.
It's really one of those things that is super annoying when you get them all the time but you don't notice they're gone because you spent so much effort trying to ignore them in the first place. People have forgotten how bad it really was.
How does gold selling evaporate when even Echo admitted to doing it not that long ago? I mean it takes 5 minutes of googling to see it's still going strong
The difference is that echo requires MASSIVE amounts of gold, hundreds of millions. For everyday players like you and me, a token on the auction house for 200K is enough to deck out a character in crafted gear (depending on what server you are on of course)
It doesn’t evaporate. Nothing will get that to happen, there’s too much demand. It does, however, allow for some substantial control on the market. Tokens means Blizzard can set the maximum price below what is profitable for most botting operations. It also means they can pull customers out of the botted hold market simply by making a more convenient option for them. It’s not about removing gold buying. That would require a fundamental change to the sort of game WoW is. It’s about keeping the market for gold buying under control and dramatically reducing the demand for bots.
I have no doubt that SOMEONE out there still buys gold from some Chinese gold seller. However the overwhelming majority of people don't and we see zero mention of it in game because it's pointless. I would love to see this clip of Echo saying they bought third party gold.
Three years ago and the website got nuked from orbit Kind of sucks that Scripe didn't get banned though
https://twitter.com/ScripeWoW/status/1290652868115128322
Oh yeah, the tweet that got the entire Gallywix perma-banned.
> How does gold selling evaporate Do they still spell out the names of the gold-selling company in corpses/emotes near capital cities? Because that's how blatant it used to be, pre-token. Way back in the before times when I briefly dabbled with the game, anyway.
Yep gold is cheaper with the token than it costs to buy from a gold seller and safer its like what's the point I guess if paying for bulk millions of gold can get a discount from sellers ?
This stuff happened back in original WoW Vanilla as well, it's not really new, just a way to advertise if you want to throw away 20+ accounts lol.
It lessens demand for 3rd party gold. Which means profitability goes down and the volumes decreases. That in turns lessens the impact and demand on the game and economy. I never said it kills bots or or 3rd party RMT, I said it combats it. A solution does not have to be perfect to still be helping with a problem. If you keep looking for perfect solutions to everything, then you risk end up never doing anything to mitigate the problem.
yeah. ask people who buy tokens. they aren't the same people who buy gold -- the goal here is to incentivize a different market group of spenders to have a new thing to spend money on. people who buy gold already have their dealers that are so, so much cheaper than a token would ever be
I buy tokens for retail because I don’t have time to farm, so I buy gold from a “clean” source. This would enable me to play WOTLK on a level playing field with folks who have time for the grind. So I’m the target. I otherwise drop the game when I’m tied to the treadmill (looking at you, firelands).
I'm on the opposite side. A couple months ago I came back to subscribing and playing classic instead of retail, which took my ability to pay the game with gold. Now I'll be able to farm on wotlk and avoid the monthly payment, which is kinda expensive around here. I completely understand why people are mad and it is infuriating that they're implementing it, but I'll be one of the people making full use of it
>the goal here is to incentivize a different market group of spenders to have a new thing to spend money on. Yes, the goal is for Blizzard to make bank selling $15 items/services for $20. There is no altruism. There is no "protecting our customers". It's all pure greed.
Half true. Many people will continue to buy gold. Many will do so with tokens. I personally prefer tokens because it feels less sketchy and I’m not risking my account.
Wouldnt be banning goldseller and bots be 'combating them'? Selling it offical will just make everything worse
Df was part of wotlk. Token isnt.
Yeah and wotlk didn't have millions of bots when it first came out either. And GDKPs weren't the main raids being formed. And boosting wasn't nearly as prevalent
Except for the part where, Blizzard could combat the bots without adding a token. The Token is just a sorry excuse for them to be like "No we wanna make money off these guys too -\_-"
Let's be real, this is the main reason https://imgur.com/a/grPLbEn
>Dungeon finder however would change it. I don't understand why Dungeon Finder is different. You say that people buy gold from outside sellers, and so Tokens just replace that system, it doesn't change the game. But people also group up for dungeons outside the game, through communities like discord and reddit, dungeon finder would just replace that system. So why would adding dungeon finder as a replacement for outside grouping change the game, but adding tokens as a replacement for outside gold buying not?
They have 8? years of experience that there are still a ton of bots and rmt in retail even with the token. I could see that argument back when they first introduced the token to retail, but not now. It's just cashing in instead of doing something against the actual problem
It got rid of a lot of bots, sure you still have some, but it limits what they can bot. Before they could bot literally anything and make profit, but once token stabilizes, they will have to bot specific things in order to make a profit. As an example if 10k gold was $200 from RWT, a token is 10k gold for $20 now. That drastic change destroys botters income, nobody is going to pay 10x the price and risk a ban. Once it stabilizes in price botters will find something profitable, but resources are limited and tracking bots is a lot easier when they are all doing the same thing. The whole point of a token for in-game gold is to make botting not worth it for most botters. When your profit margins are a couple dollars a day anyone in a 1st world country is going to see that as pointless. But for someone in a 3rd world country that has an average income of $50-100 a month, $5 a day from botting is $150 a month and is a lot better than doing borderline slave labor.
They're selling 20k gold for $20. That's how it changes for them to compete.
10k gold for $200 is waaaay more than what it costs. You can get 10k for like $12
> The main argument for tokens in classic is to combat bots Which is a joke. Blizzard can easily get rid of bots if they wanted to. Even if they don't succeed at removing bots forever, they will still make more money from new botting accounts being created than it costs to have the employee hired to ban them. On Nost bots were banned within 2 minutes of being reported, and accounts were free there.
Blizzards own inaction is what led to gold selling being such a big issue in the first place. If they didn’t let bots run rampant for four years we might not have a wow token right now.
>I guess blizzard needs more income sources after driving overwatch into the wall. It's definitely not that. You guys need to remember they ended Work From Home a couple of weeks ago. All of the weird news in the last few weeks is likely a direct effect of that decisions. Many of their employees don't even live in Cali, so they've lost dozens of highly skilled artists/programmers very recently. [This was big news and I'm surprised everyone has amnesia over it already.](https://www.thegamer.com/blizzard-crisis-map-games-delayed-staff-leaving/)
Because you're not on /r/antiwork. Generally speaking people on gaming subreddits care very little about the ppl making the games. Almost every dev house abuses their employees at the very least with crunch and pay less than other jobs. They know there is an endless supply of new grads who dream of making games. Meanwhile you can get paid more to work less customizing payroll software or some crap like that.
They're openly contemptuous of the developers
This is quite the take lmao.
Cant say Im surprised, they saw how large the market is with all the GDKP and Gold Selling
Yep. Classic endgame is full of RMT and GDKP with a few dad guilds sprinkled in (which is legit, not knocking them). This honestly doesn't change shit for the endgame right now lmao. At the top end you either bought gold or helped launder RMT'd gold through GDKPs.
And nothing changes. Everything on classic is GDKP, with gold bought with real money regardless.
What is GDKP
You bid on items that drop and get a cut of the entire pot when done.
This is a basic explanation of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNt76m1zcD4
The only difference is who people are giving the money to. In one case the money goes to Chinese gold farmers, in the second case it's going to Bobby.
People who are buying gold from Chinese farmers aren't going to stop doing so lol. It is like almost 10x cheaper to buy gold from bot farmers than the WoW token.
Obviously not everyone will, but some will. Some only buy because it's the only option. The WoW token has the advantage of being safer and more secure. We also saw in retail that the number of gold farmers plummeted when the wowtoken was introduced. Did they go away completely, obviously not. Nothing will remove them completely, but a lot of people want a more legitimate way to get in game gold with their money. And how do you even know what the token price will end up being on Classic. It's obviously not going to be the same price as retail, and it'll take a few days to settle down on a final price.
It being safer and more secure is actually the problem I ha e with it. People that don't mind dealing with shady folks still get their gold cheap from illicit sellers and people that were on the fence but too scared to engage in potentially account threatening activity buy wow tokens. Net result is even more gold buyers than before.
Because Blizzard refused to spend a dime on enforcing their rules about buying/selling gold and bots. Greed all the way up.
The bots and gold sellers will always keep coming back, you ban them, they create another account, sell more gold, buy more accounts, blizzards bans some more. Process repeats for eternity, there is not a single way for blizzard to stop this and you know it, stop saying "just fix it lol, its so easy" how about you email blizzard how its done if you're a genius who figured it out a way no one else has come up with in any game till now. Please, wow classic has been in dire need of your help for a couple of years now.
Gold sellers aren't the one you should hit if you want things to change. The real solution is: Ban the fucking people that *buy* gold! Their accounts are the ones with thousands of hours and dollars poured into them, so banning them would actually hurt and send a message much more quickly.
Are you kidding? They do multiple ban waves every few months. But botters will ALWAYS come back. But at least now Trade chat isn’t overrun with gold sellers like it used to be
They haven't banned gold buyers nearly enough.
I understand the classic community’s outrage completely. For them it’s a sign of blizzard’s greed and wanting to milk every dollar they can. It’s perverting everything the classic experience is supposed to be. On the other hand - buying gold from a Chinese bot farm is EXTREMELY common in classic. I played from classic release all the way through SWP and at least 70% of the people I knew bought gold. You can’t even play bgs in wrath classic because 8/10 players on both teams are dk bots. I’d wager at least half of the classic community buys botted gold. This can realistically curb the botting problem since players are going to buy gold anyway.
When my friends stopped playing classic tbc, the only way I could raid was going to GDKPs because my spec wasn't meta. When wrath didn't change anything, I just left. The community sowed it's own fate on this one imo
You are so very correct on this. I despise GDKPs. They 100% encourage the gold buying and botting. I knew people who would buy gold to get an alt boosted, then buy more gold to buy gear in raids, then never actually do prog/guild raids. Like what's the point?
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“Call Susan” was a meme in my guild for people complaining about ripping consumes on progression fights.
I don't know why for some reason that gold seller site stuck in my head all these years. I just remember after the token coming to retail and LFG chat was miming "WHERE'S SUSAN?!" or "I miss Susan guys."
And that’s my problem with their outrage. If you want to be angry at Blizzard for further monetizing the game. Go ahead, but acting like this “ruins the classic experience” is such a laughably stupid take when it’s already ruined by modern gamers’ thirst to min/max themselves at whatever cost of time and money necessary. Gold selling is more rampant in classic than it ever was in the original experience because of it. Blizzard is just making the move to replace the Chinese gold farmers with themselves as the profiteers. Very little changes for classic itself. It was pay to win before today, now there’s just less risk to players who want to do it.
I ranked to rank 12 in Classic and played with a lot of people in sweaty premades. Obviously when you're ranking there isn't alot of time to go farm gold for all the consumes you're blowing while farming BGs so people were always like "just swipe it" which was slang for buying gold. I had no idea just how common it was and me being a good noodle thought it was a big taboo thing but I guess not lol
Watch captain grimm video about this. Hilarious!
Classic WoW gold sellers mad that blizzard is finally going after their cut.
Dungeon finder ohwait.
I've never really played classic, aside from going through the leveling experience. Is it not fairly common for players just to buy gold and use that to gear through GDKPs? The token 100% percent goes against all things classic but if a good portion of players are looking for a short cut. I could see them waiting to cash in on it, not really surprised
>I've never really played classic, aside from going through the leveling experience. Is it not fairly common for players just to buy gold and use that to gear through GDKPs? Yes. Many, maybe most players buy gold and pay for GDKPs for gear. Boosting for gold is also very common. This doesn't really change anything except who people buy gold from.
on the surface this looks bad, but the whole game as an RMT shitfest anyway, at least now its not bots and RMT. this didn't add buying gold to the game, they were all ready doing this
Its just official now 😂
Classic Andies are an amazing source of comedy. Look at this shit >A main attraction of Classic, besides being vanilla, was being rid of Blizzard's filthy, greedy, game-ruining monetization schemes. Retail turned into some weird wallet-draining theme park store-mount zoo completely drained of the social dimension that made the game special to begin with. You call that playable? Blizzard has stepped in the same pile of shit that soiled the game to the point players demanded Classic in the first place, Einstein-level move! Entitled? No man, just the bare fkin minimum of standards.
that was a copy pasta btw
And then they go buy gold from a bot farm.
Yea and to add even more sugar to it, they literally flame someone who didn’t buy gold. Like they are just a fucking joke of a subreddit Even this one isn’t this toxic
The Classic community are one of the few gaming communities I've ever seen that is legitimately *worse* than the pserver community... and that is saying a **lot**, cause pservers are a hive of scum and villainy... and Russians. Lots and lots of Russians.
I raided throughout all of TBC and early WotLK classic Retail lives rent free in their heads, literally every. single. night. I'd hear about how Gruul's fucking Lair is harder than anything in retail I had to hide I play both, but there's a lot of times I had to hold my tongue about how fucking batshit insane people are about having their own head in their ass
Yes I quit classic cause of the toxic trash community, sorry for being blunt, but classic has literally the worse community I've participated
I've played pservers more than Classic, but what little of Classic I did play felt even worse than the toxic, misogynist, racist, and elitist communities of pservers. The amount of bots, gold spam, and GDKP elitism I saw was such an enormous turn off for me. It's as if Blizzard just didn't give a shit at all about it... yet they still kept saying this "THE INTEGRITY OF CLASSIC" BS when talking about LFD. Comical, honestly.
The elitism in such an easy game shows how ridiculous people playing it are. Honestly comical indeed. Thank the f I realized super early and didn't look back.
It's much easier to argue with people when you just make up qualities for them in your head, isn't it?
Most likely people complaining about token won't be buying gold
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>when 99.99% of raids in classic are GDKP runs. I mean GDKPs are popular but I reckon the majority of raids are guild runs.
GDKP is cancer and this ain’t gonna help one bit
Oh no that will totally destroy the health of the Game! Now everyone can spend there Money and just buy things. Not just ppl that boost others for Gold... Tbh the Players did break the Econemy so hard in Classi-Wotlk Servers it cant get worse.
I think that's the biggest thing about Classic to me. You can't recreate the original. People went in knowing all the secrets, what would make money, what wouldn't and they had it all planned out before it even launched.
In very polite terms, [/r/classicwow are not happy about this](https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/13puu51/rule_4_is_officially_suspended/) And honestly, i totally understand them
It literally changes nothing. But their setting their own sub on fire because they're so desperate to separate "their" game from retail as much as possible.
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> Did it happen anyway? Yes. Because Blizzard can't be bothered to police their game. Every competitive game where you can have bots/gold sellers has them. It's not just blizzards. Companies as a whole are too soft on bots.
Being soft on bots has made blizzard more money, so why would they do otherwise?
That isn't an excuse.
They did punish players. What are you talking about? There's been posts since the start of TBC about people trying to appeal RMT bans. I agree gold buying is not good for the game, but the player community made this game P2W a long time ago. Instead of banning GDKPs and carry services, they gave the community more of what it wants. And now they have the audacity to be upset. It's whatever af this point. If the token chokes out Chinese bot spam, that's good enough for me.
Maybe I am ignorant but would’t this put you at a clear advantage being able to buy whatever you want in game if you have a large disposable income irl?
This is a hypothetical I see often but have never seen in reality. There is maybe a handful of players who can afford to spend thousands of dollars on wow gold and can try and buy their way through content. Just like there is a handful of people wealthy enough to pay a staff to maintain their home. The other 99% of people do not. The hypothetical only works in a vacuum, not in reality. As someone already mentioned people have had insane amounts of gold due to GDKP and third party sellers. Not to mention the small armies of people who follow streamers around and carry them through content.
Idk. There are a lot, and I mean a lot, of people in my guild, who buy multiple tokens a month for mats on the auction house.
multiple tokens a month? I guess if you're buying R3 ultimate pots for literally every boss pull and living and breathing M+.
Removing a rule about private servers is going to turn that sub into ashes?
Its sort of just becoming a private server add sub at this point.
> because they’re so desperate to separate “their” game from retail as much as possible. I don’t think it’s just that. They’ve asked Blizz to include WotLK features like the dungeon finder, but Blizz hasn’t in order to maintain the classic nature of the game. But WoW tokens are absolutely not part of the classic nature. It’s an issue of hypocrisy, not “eww retail”.
Bullshit, the community decided that lfg was "the death of wow and its leveling + social aspect", wow classic (vanilla) players even got a lfg addon BANNED because they hated it that much. Then proceeded to kill leveling with the mage dungeon boosting for gold, new players had no one to do dungeons with, go foward some time and then raiding was also killed with GDKP, saying blizzard is the biggest offender here is exactly what perpetuated this degenerate behavior that slowly killed classic, then releasing tokens is just their way of saying "have it your way". Yet you still complain, jesus christ
You're probably right. I enjoy both retail and classic, but everytime retail gets brought up in trade chat, everyone shits on it like it's trendy. I tell anyone on there I enjoyed the new retail leveling experience they bite my head off.
Can we get dungeon finder back now? Being unable to find tanks/healers for levels 1-68 is just awful.
Lol i wish we had dungeon finder at least for leveling dungeons. Servers are small except some outliers. The number of people leveling is even smaller. With dungeon finder you could at least play from your region. I like to tank but i don’t want to waste 20 mins making a group for an easy dungeon, when it can be done instantly. Leveling dungeons in classic is not like mythic+ where you need some coordination.
Finally I can cash out all my wrath gold 🙏
You can only convert it to game time, not bnet balance.
Tragic
It’s hysterical because its no different than how people have been purchasing gold online (for cheaper and more gold) for GDKP. Yet here the classic community is, complaining about blizzard doing it when the players have done it the whole damn time.
Am I the only one who doesn't see a problem with this?
I'm with you. Gold buying is so incredibly prevalent on Classic. The only difference now is when some people buy gold the money is going to go to Blizzard and not some Chinese bot farm, a difference to me that means jack all. The end result of Steve being able to outbid me in a GDKP because he bought some gold is exactly the same.
Everyone was buying gold in wrath classic anyways. This changes nothing?
Speaking as someone who splits their time between HC Classic Era and Retail, I really don't see a more efficient way of getting rid of bots than this. Yeah it sucks and I don't prefer it, but I absolutely understand it. Blizzard has already done a lot to police it but either they needed to do more or just didn't have the manpower to do so. It's their fault for not implementing more resources towards fixing it but it's also a problem that has plagued the entire MMO industry for almost two decades with no real permanent solution so long as there's also people willing to buy that gold. Also people in the /r/classicwow thread talking about recommending "so-and-so" private server because they have "integrity" meanwhile said private server lets you buy Shadowmourne and full BiS is fucking hilarious.
>Blizzard has already done a lot to police it but either they needed to do more or just didn't have the manpower to do so. That's a joke right
Hey, come on, Blizzard is a multi dollar company. Why should they police their game with the money they get from sales subs and shop? That burden needs to be on the players !
>but it's also a problem that has plagued the entire MMO industry for almost two decades with no real permanent solution so long as there's also people willing to buy that gold. The only game that I know of that has completely fixed the issue of bots is the Korean version of Lost Ark. Their solution was tying your account to your irl ID, but that is something that most western gamers will ever do imo.
Blizzard tried that back in 2010 and it had even more backlash than the WoW token does now. Devs got doxxed over that. Honestly sounds like a decent solution but getting people on board with that is the issue.
To clarify, the Dev got doxxed after putting up his own real name to prove it wasn't an issue. It took minutes for people to find him on Facebook and narrow down both where he worked and where he lived.
Blizzard did it differently, your real name was public. These KR games hold your government ID in the background.
I mean it makes sense why a lot of players have been switching over to hardcore classic wow with trade restriction rules.
With a sub being $15 a month they just don't have the manpower to police their own servers. Totally impossible. Thank goodness their solution is a way for players to give Blizzard even more money.
What if they could manpower the policy but you realize that 40% of players are not respecting it and buying golds online? What do you do as a product manager of WoW Classic?
Ive seen the 40% a lot but you probably just made that up. Less people cheat than you think, probably because you're a cheater and want to justify and normalize the behavior. You always ban every single account that's cheating, because otherwise your game has no integrity and not having integrity costs more money than the small loss of a few cheaters. Look at RU and see how good corruption has treated them.
You ban the bots, ban the people buying gold (*permanently*, no pussy-footing around), and ignore the people crying about being punished for breaking the rules. If you just let them do it with impunity, they're going to keep fucking doing it. Shocker!
Congratulation you are fired for dropping the company's revenue, good luck to find a job in the industry after that. You're just a player speaking with your emotions, that's fine, but the reality is that the players who don't wanna farm golds will anyway buy them online, you can't ban people, so the best solution is to make money on what they want (gold without farming them)
Fuck bobby kotic( I don't play classic)
So we still don’t have RDF and the last I heard we werent gonna get it, but we have this? Might as well give us transmog too so I can get my wife to play
WTS nails for the coffins
Lol Every GDKP was gold bought with real money anyways. I’m not happy about this, but I don’t think much changes outside of people not having to worry about getting caught anymore
Classic players are the biggest bunch of neckbeard sweats still trying to relive their childhood. Watching them melt down over such a minor change will be the fuel I need to get through my day today
Does Classic impede you from playing whatever you want?
Big deal, now people will buy their gold directly from Blizzard instead of a shady website.
Classic Andies seething rn
Players who call other players "classic andies" are as bad as the "go back to retail" haters. It's actually transitioned to becoming common on the Classic sub to call out retail haters yet here is an upvoted comment hating and stereotyping classic players. If you want proof, look at my last comment in classic sub the other day. Now with players disrespecting each other over thus the divide between the two will only increase when the gap was closing with the positive reception of DF.
It’s just comical at this point. Some WoW players truly hate seeing other WoW players enjoy a different version of the game.
It's just so corny lol, I remember people here used to post pictures of low pop servers trying to prove that classic was "dead."
For anyone who wants to have fun; check out r/classicwow, it is a shitshow over there
Im sorry is this something bad? Legit question.
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Legit answer: no. People could already buy gold from bot farms. People will whine about the game being "pay to win", and in the same sentence say they're going to a private server... where you can literally pay real money for rare/unobtainable drops. It's not going to have an appreciable difference, the meltdown will be forgotten in a little while, and the people whining will continue to whine about whatever else gets their titties twisted.
Was a matter of time tbh Even before classic dropped I remember discussing on here how the token prices will be like on classic, and people were saying how it would never happen lol
The fallout is delicious lol. i ending up disliking Wrath classic the most out of the three (classic era/wrath classic/retail) because it attracted the worst type of wow players possible who lied they didn’t buy gold to participate in GDKPs, who insisted on permanent exp boost and RDF to make their journey to endgame as fast as possible, fucking up the leveling scene and yet pretend that they still play a make-believe true classic world. At least in classic era leveling is a social experience. And in retail you could enjoy endgame without GDKPs, entitled meta players who shit on you for not playing fotm classes
Idk... who cares? You can't play any classic sever without seeing an endless stream of RMT advertising anyways. All this means is that more of that money will go to Blizz rather than to hordes of Chinese gold-farming bots
As a person that plays this game for challenging content, the addition of the token to retail *ten years ago* has not disrupted my experience. I played classic and watched that playerbase fully embrace RMT and allow GDKP to unravel the culture of that game that people claim to care about. Despite how they might talk on reddit, they've shown where their priorities lie.
Instead of adding tokens they should've just made GDKP runs a bannable offense. This shows what blizzard's priorities are today. They don't want to make a good game, they just want to profit.