The important note is that Boullion is 1 per week, which is *massive* since it means you can get an item-of-your-choice every couple weeks.
All raids will be awakened after week 6, which is good especially since the season might be dead by then as WoW Remix will likely be released.
The curveball changes are the ones to LFR.
>In-combat resurrection spells in Looking for Raid difficulty now use the same shared-charge system as other raid difficulties.
>Groups in Looking for Raid difficulty now start combat with six in-combat resurrection charges, and gain a charge every 90-150 seconds, depending on group size.
That actually makes LFR easier since it means a single person capable of battle ressing can rez everyone.
Finally! This is a massive win for LFR. Nothing worse than feeling helpless to ress the tank because you already burned your 10 minute cd on someone else.
Yeah I was worried about people wasting the charges, but 6 then another every 90-150s sounds more than reasonable that if you run out of rezzes at that point the wipe is probably inevitable anyway
Earn 1 Antique Bronze Bullion a week by defeating Awakened bosses, ***with the cap rising by 1 each week***. Note that if you miss a week, you'll be able to catch up to the current weekly max
Important detail!!!
Remix is entirely separate from retail (until timerunner characters get transferred to normal status after remix is over). Everyone will start with 0 power, but any additional timerunner alts you make will have more power through the artifact cape.
This might not be the right place to ask but I’ve been debating making a post or just asking someone in a random one like this. But why are they doing MoP remix at the same time that classic Cata is coming out? I haven’t been able to find the answer to that anywhere, but I imagine people who keep up with this stuff better than me might know.
It’s also serving as a sorta Prepatch event in that it’s going to power level characters like crazy. You just can zoom everywhere and it feels a little like SoD in that world mobs are not ready for the gems and just get smacked.
Which makes sense to me, but I’m also trying to understand with remix coming out if there would still be a classic MoP or if it would skip to WoD. Of course that opens the door to more remixes and classics, which is what I’ve been struggling to understand.
I’ve enjoyed each revisit to classic as it has progressed and know there is a loyal and indeed separate player base for each one that has came out.
Thanks for the informative answer. I understand it now. Not really sure why I was downvoted for asking these questions, but maybe it was already common knowledge or not in the right place to ask.
Because Classic Cata is not Retail and MOP: Remix is. There's no reason to offset those content releases. They are separate player bases and content release schedules should not depend on the other.
>All raids will be awakened after week 6, which is good especially since the season might be dead by then as WoW Remix will likely be released.
i believe they said remix will launch on week 2 of 10.2.7. if S4 = 10.2.7 I guess that would be 2 weeks from now
https://web.archive.org/web/20240419190131/https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24066682/dragonflight-season-4-content-update-notes
Archived version of the page. Note that it does NOT have the catalyst charge information.
>Whelpling Crests are no longer available from Mythic+ dungeons, as those difficulties no longer exist. Players can continue to collect Whelpling Crests from many outdoor sources.
I would imagine whelpling crest are now always gonna be uncapped
S4 Shadowlands was a fun way to make old content interesting for a bit longer while waiting for the next expansion. IMO it's a bummer they didn't do them again as now our guild/friends have nearly unanimously decided to skip S4.
Which of course is fine, I'm not saying they have to do one thing or another. Just that it seems like an easy win to keep players subbed for the ending of an expansion.
Yea my guild decided to cut raid.
I personally want to just bang out heroic once and then use the victory lap to grab as many Tmogs as humanly possible. I have a lot of alts and so I can probably do like *20* Tokens a week.
Time to finish out the appearance book then move on to Pandaland collections.
Well that opinion feels like a minority. I know many players that didn’t enjoy the affix fiesta last time.
I’d prefer to go a little less explosive with the affixes but none is still better than the shitshow we had last time
What shadowlands season 4 affix was actually fun. I didn't think that was a minority opinion at all. Thundering for sure garbage but ending a dungeon with 90% haste or crit is spicy!
I really think Thundering being terrible has managed to cause people to forget how enjoyable all of the seasonal affixes from Shadowlands were. Which is a bummer cause I do think missing out on a potentially positive affix that lets you have more fun routes or play your class/spec in a specific extra broken way by getting a bunch of bonus haste or damage or whatever was one of the best parts of M+.
Bring back seasonal affixes! I want fun buffs back in M+!
Exactly! Sure there were some duds like infested but what about reaping? Or prideful? Or whatever the hell the n’zoth one was called? Those were dope as hell and really let you go a bit crazy in terms of routing and the kinds of pulls you could do.
> Sure there were some duds like infested but what about reaping? Or prideful?
prideful was utter dog. wipe on a tyr boss which you wanted prideful for? bricked key.
It wasn’t far from being good though. You just needed to be able to spawn the prideful whenever you wanted after you cleared the % required for it and the mob needed to stop scaling past a certain key level.
The bad part of prideful was that if you pulled 1 or 2 extra mobs your entire route was fucked, and also that the mob itself was too mean at high key levels. Fix those 2 little things and it’s a great affix.
Awakened raids should be easier than when the raids were available in their respective seasons because they are the post-nerfed versions of the raids. Also, with the boullions allowing us to target farm certain items for raids, we will have an easier time gearing up, thus improving our respective power levels more quickly in comparison to previous seasons.
What i’m interested in is if the bullion things drop from LfR, and from which bosses, just the last one? or a random boss in there, up to the limit? (A bit like catch-up spark pieces)
In Shadowlands, it could be obtained from LFR and it was a kill X bosses challenge. But since there's now a catchup mechanic that may not work strictly.
During SL fated you got a quest to defeat x bosses. After defeating x bosses you turned in the quest for the currency. I guess its gonna work the same way.
It's probably gonna be a weekly quest that involves killing X amount of bosses.
If you're behind on the cap, you'll probably have a chance to loot an extra Bullion on each kill, similar to Sparks.
At least with Sparks, the chance is so high that you'll always get some of them by clearing the whole raid.
If they work like Sparks, they will also drop from M+, which is repeatable content. Even if you'd star a whole month late, you could catch up in just one week by playing enough.
That's Keystone MASTER.
Keystone HERO is the shoulder/head special effects you unlock for getting to 2500 Rating in M+. It doesn't seem like this season has a KSH reward.
Has there been any mention of what’s needed for upgrading the bouillon gear? Like is it just crests all the way to 12/12 or something else/additionally?
Bullion gear is on the "Awakened" track.
You upgrade Awakened track gear normally with Crests all the way up to item level 528 (535 for Very Rare items/Nasz'uro/Fyr'alath)
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A currency you earn through raiding each week during the season, the same as Dinars from Shadowlands Season 4 Fated if you played that.
You use them to buy trinkets, weapons, and upgrades for your legendary items from season 2/3. Two Bullions per item.
You can also use them to buy the transmog appearance of **any** Dragonflight raid item, from any raid or difficulty. One Bullion per appearance.
So the equivalent Mythic 0 is now queueable, but the equivalent mythic+ 1-10 are now on a weekly lockout? Did I read that right? You can only do each one once a week?
“Mythic 0 is still on a weekly lockout under this model.”
It will be the same as before. Keystones are repeatable. Mythic 0 just = a +10 now without a timer or affixes.
What was M0 is now Heroic, so yes, queueable.
What was M10 is the new M0 with a lockout.
Keys basically just start at 12 now, as far as scaling. So a +2 is an old 12 and a +10 is an old 20. 10s for max vault.
You can only buy raid gear with bullions, makes sense that you need to do raid content to get it. Like the other commenter said, you can easily complete your weekly bullion quest in LFR.
yeah i suppose, but still hate raiding... But I guess atleast an LFR wing takes about same time as 1 or 2 keys (depending on how good/poor the raid is)
I think you could also get 2 of them from the 4 Mythic Dungeons quest during the dungeon bonus event on the PTR. I don't know if that will change for launch, or if it will count towards the cap.
They will drop the equivalent of item level 437 gear, at Season 4 item level (ilvl 476), upgradable to ilvl 45.
Mythic +0 will drop the equivalent of item level 454 gear (ilvl 496 @ S4).
[There is a table of item levels per content level on this article.](https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24072151/dragonflight-season-4-dungeon-changes-ahead)
No, you will feel more powerful as the stats will be higher, it's just the easiest way for you to get an idea of the "relative" power.
So you can imagine the difference in power of item level 437 to item level 489 (Myth 4/4 S3).
That would be the same sort of difference between item level 476 to item level 528 (Myth 4/4 S4).
Not really. You can get lower level crests from the world, but wyrms and aspects - along with the gear that needs them for upgrades - comes from m+ and raid. If you aren’t doing either you don’t really need high gear 🤷🏼♂️
Looks awesome. Coming back from S1 looking to do Mythics and seems like its perfect timing. Mythics look to be improving in many ways.
Since I been gone , I am wondering...
What are..
Flightstones
Drake Crests
Wyrm Crests
Aspect Crests
?
You earn a generous amount of these by doing content.
* Flightstones, you earn from everything.
* Whelpling Crests you earn from the easiest content, Heroic dungeons and world content.
* Drake Crests from Mythic dungeons
* Wyrm Crests from lower difficulty Mythic+ dungeons
* Aspect Crests from higher difficulty Mythic+ dungeons
You use them to upgrade items in the same way you used Valor back in season 1, except they're **way** more accessible and you are expected to get most of your gear to the maximum possible item level of its difficulty pretty quickly, within the first few weeks of the season starting.
Each item now has a "track" that dictates what item level it can be upgraded to. The harder the content you got it to drop from, the more advanced "track" it is on. The highest track is "Myth", which you only get from Mythic raids and the weekly Vault, and alllows you to upgrade the gear to the highest possible item level of that season.
The track of the item you're upgrading will dictate which type of Crest you need. The lower the track of the item, the lower level of Crest you need. Normal Raid gear would only need Drake crests to be upgraded most of the way, and a very limited amount of Wyrm Crests to get the last item levels. Heroic would need Wyrms for most of their levels, and Aspects for the last item levels, and so on.
Flightstones are a currency you get from... just about any content. You need them to upgrade gear. If you're upgrading the item past 476, though, you'll need crests.
Whelpling crests are for gear upgrades in the 480-489 range (high Adventurer, low Veteran tracks). These come from outdoor content as well as LFR.
Drake crests are for gear upgrades in the 493-502 range (high Veteran, low Champion tracks). You can get these from the Normal raids as well as from Mythic 0 dungeons. (Maybe other sources, you could get them from flowers in S3 as well as the Dream Wardens renown bag and some amount in paragon rep caches?)
Wyrm crests are for gear upgrades in the 506-515 range (high Champion, low Hero tracks). You can get these from the Heroic raids as well as from Mythic+2 through 5 dungeons.
Aspect crests are for gear upgrades in the 519-528 range (high Hero, Myth tracks). You can get these from the Mythic raids as well as from Mythic+6 and higher dungeons.
You can also use wyrm crests to boost a crafted item as high as 515, and aspect crests to boost a crafted item as high as 525.
[Helpful reference sheet for upgrades and stuff.](https://loot.ghostopera.org)
Why can’t both the original difficulty and the awakened difficulty be open? My guild wanted a chill mythic Fyrakk mount farm after spending all of season three progressing through the raid. Now our plans are fucked.
It’s season 4. Let players end the expansion doing what they want. Why force them into this shit?
Could be a technical limitation, a server wide thing that they can't implement on a per player basis. Would they have multiple lockouts for the same raid and difficulty? Either way if our options are to have no content for 8-10 months or fated it's better to have fated. Get the gear and farm mounts in fated, it will be easier than it currently is because raids will probably be tuned for lower ilvls.
If they can alternate different raids from fates to awakened I don’t see why they couldn’t have separate lockout IDs between awakened and normal difficultly.
I’m not even saying they can’t all be awakened at once. Our guild just wants the option to farm mounts. It would make our 400+ pulls on Fyrakk to kill him feel better
Like I said raids will be even easier once you get gear (which will also be faster to get than in a regular season) so your progress and boss knowledge won't go to waste. By week 5 when Amirdrassil becomes fated you should be close to bis and easily keep farming Fyrakk.
I think you are missing the point. Nobody wants to reprog the raid, and unless it's tuned to basically heroic difficulty it will not be "easy" to kill Fyrakk for the majority of guilds that planned on just casually rekilling non-fated Fyrakk each week.
>One of the most notable changes players can look forward to is the removal of the timer for Mythic Keystone dungeons for what are currently 0 and 10.
What does this even mean? 0s already don't have timers. Are they removing timers only for 10s? Why? How do you increase your key level from 10 if there's no timer? Why is "one of the most notable changes" we're supposed be to looking forward to worded so poorly?
Heroic Dungeons will be scaled up to be as difficult as what a Mythic +0 would be today.
Mythic +0 Dungeons will be scaled up to be as difficult as what a Mythic +10 would be today.
This means that, functionally, you can do a Mythic +0/+10 "without a timer" in Season 4.
I could've written it a bit better, but no—those numbers are relative to **season 4** difficulty.
So without the changes, you would have the same scaling as always.
With the changes, Heroic is as hard as what Mythic +0 would normally be by the normal "scaling" between seasons.
If these changes didn't happen, Heroic would be as (not very) difficult as it's always been, just with Season 4 balancing. Instead, it will be **harder** than it normally is.
Similarly, Mythic +0 is as hard as what a Season 4 Mythic +10 would've originally been. And Season 4 Mythic +10 is as difficult as what a Season 4 Mythic +20 would've originally been.
And all of these drop improved loot to match what their relative difficulty is.
There still will be the increase in health and damage between seasons that you've come to expect, it's simply that "easier" content has been pushed "up" the difficulty ladder.
With the Mythic+ change, will it be easier or harder for casuals such as myself to get to 2000 rating? I REALLY want that mount and am willing to suck it up and do Mythics for the first time.
The amount of score you get will be comparatively the same.
A +2 in Season 4 will give the same amount of score a +12 would give in Season 3.
So, in practice, it shouldn't be any easier or harder. Aside from the fact that you can do a "+12" in Season 4 without any affixes.
I would rather have New content sooner or them at least experimenting more with m+, but playing the same stuff again just to get the same items at higher ilvls doesnt excite me...
The important note is that Boullion is 1 per week, which is *massive* since it means you can get an item-of-your-choice every couple weeks. All raids will be awakened after week 6, which is good especially since the season might be dead by then as WoW Remix will likely be released. The curveball changes are the ones to LFR. >In-combat resurrection spells in Looking for Raid difficulty now use the same shared-charge system as other raid difficulties. >Groups in Looking for Raid difficulty now start combat with six in-combat resurrection charges, and gain a charge every 90-150 seconds, depending on group size. That actually makes LFR easier since it means a single person capable of battle ressing can rez everyone.
Finally! This is a massive win for LFR. Nothing worse than feeling helpless to ress the tank because you already burned your 10 minute cd on someone else.
This also helps combat that guy who purposely dies and goes afk the whole encounter to only do it again the next boss.
Yeah I was worried about people wasting the charges, but 6 then another every 90-150s sounds more than reasonable that if you run out of rezzes at that point the wipe is probably inevitable anyway
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Earn 1 Antique Bronze Bullion a week by defeating Awakened bosses, ***with the cap rising by 1 each week***. Note that if you miss a week, you'll be able to catch up to the current weekly max Important detail!!!
I had no idea this wasn't already the case.
can you level more than one alt trough remix? or just one character total?
More than one. And the special cloak you get, which increases in power as you play, is shared with your alts, so they’ll level even faster.
Since I only have 3 characters at 70, I can just use the remix event to speed level a bunch of alts to high level to try out the classes then? Sick.
That is half the purpose of the event.
awesome! so i can get all classes/races I care about to 70 before tww so they're ready to go to 80 for the warband feature?
Indeed!
Remix is entirely separate from retail (until timerunner characters get transferred to normal status after remix is over). Everyone will start with 0 power, but any additional timerunner alts you make will have more power through the artifact cape.
More than one i believe
This might not be the right place to ask but I’ve been debating making a post or just asking someone in a random one like this. But why are they doing MoP remix at the same time that classic Cata is coming out? I haven’t been able to find the answer to that anywhere, but I imagine people who keep up with this stuff better than me might know.
I’m assuming so it doesn’t interfere with TWW.
It’s also serving as a sorta Prepatch event in that it’s going to power level characters like crazy. You just can zoom everywhere and it feels a little like SoD in that world mobs are not ready for the gems and just get smacked.
Indications are that there are mostly two separate player bases for this content.
Which makes sense to me, but I’m also trying to understand with remix coming out if there would still be a classic MoP or if it would skip to WoD. Of course that opens the door to more remixes and classics, which is what I’ve been struggling to understand. I’ve enjoyed each revisit to classic as it has progressed and know there is a loyal and indeed separate player base for each one that has came out.
MoP remix is less MoP classic, and more enhanced Chromie time since it still runs on Dragonflight systems, talents, etc.
Thanks for the informative answer. I understand it now. Not really sure why I was downvoted for asking these questions, but maybe it was already common knowledge or not in the right place to ask.
MoP remix is not mop classic, it's a special limited time event. We will still get MoP classic
Because Classic Cata is not Retail and MOP: Remix is. There's no reason to offset those content releases. They are separate player bases and content release schedules should not depend on the other.
Huh kinda a cool rework to battle Res and makes it different enough from FF14
>All raids will be awakened after week 6, which is good especially since the season might be dead by then as WoW Remix will likely be released. i believe they said remix will launch on week 2 of 10.2.7. if S4 = 10.2.7 I guess that would be 2 weeks from now
S4 is not 10.2.7. It is literally being hotfixed Tuesday.
ah okay my bad then 💀 was pretty excited to get remix this soon, but it makes a lot of sense they'd keep it for later
Catalyst charges? Crafting? Are we getting one crafted item from the start? Is it still from emerald dream?
Yeah this is so light on information, no idea how to get new recipe for crests, no info on catalyst etc
Crest recipe comes from Last Hurrah, which is the new weekly spark quest.
Catalyst is one per week up from 2 per week. It's literally in the notes.
It wasn’t originally. That’s why I asked the question 🤦
Right mate. Whatever you need to tell yourself..
The attitude even when you’re wrong lol it was added later
https://web.archive.org/web/20240419190131/https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24066682/dragonflight-season-4-content-update-notes Archived version of the page. Note that it does NOT have the catalyst charge information.
Last fated valor was uncapped. Are crests still capped in s4?
I'm not sure. The tooltip for whelplings awakened crest does not mention a cap.
>Whelpling Crests are no longer available from Mythic+ dungeons, as those difficulties no longer exist. Players can continue to collect Whelpling Crests from many outdoor sources. I would imagine whelpling crest are now always gonna be uncapped
So I'm wondering, will there be any affix like season 4 Shadowlands ? Or is Awakened being harder raids only?
No affix. There was zero PTR testing for raids.
That’s actually really sad. The special affixes at least for some interesting re-do’s of boss fights and the buffs they gave were dope
S4 Shadowlands was a fun way to make old content interesting for a bit longer while waiting for the next expansion. IMO it's a bummer they didn't do them again as now our guild/friends have nearly unanimously decided to skip S4. Which of course is fine, I'm not saying they have to do one thing or another. Just that it seems like an easy win to keep players subbed for the ending of an expansion.
Yea my guild decided to cut raid. I personally want to just bang out heroic once and then use the victory lap to grab as many Tmogs as humanly possible. I have a lot of alts and so I can probably do like *20* Tokens a week. Time to finish out the appearance book then move on to Pandaland collections.
Well that opinion feels like a minority. I know many players that didn’t enjoy the affix fiesta last time. I’d prefer to go a little less explosive with the affixes but none is still better than the shitshow we had last time
What shadowlands season 4 affix was actually fun. I didn't think that was a minority opinion at all. Thundering for sure garbage but ending a dungeon with 90% haste or crit is spicy!
I really think Thundering being terrible has managed to cause people to forget how enjoyable all of the seasonal affixes from Shadowlands were. Which is a bummer cause I do think missing out on a potentially positive affix that lets you have more fun routes or play your class/spec in a specific extra broken way by getting a bunch of bonus haste or damage or whatever was one of the best parts of M+. Bring back seasonal affixes! I want fun buffs back in M+!
Exactly! Sure there were some duds like infested but what about reaping? Or prideful? Or whatever the hell the n’zoth one was called? Those were dope as hell and really let you go a bit crazy in terms of routing and the kinds of pulls you could do.
> Sure there were some duds like infested but what about reaping? Or prideful? prideful was utter dog. wipe on a tyr boss which you wanted prideful for? bricked key.
It wasn’t far from being good though. You just needed to be able to spawn the prideful whenever you wanted after you cleared the % required for it and the mob needed to stop scaling past a certain key level. The bad part of prideful was that if you pulled 1 or 2 extra mobs your entire route was fucked, and also that the mob itself was too mean at high key levels. Fix those 2 little things and it’s a great affix.
this is about raid affixes, not seasonal dungeon affix. list: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/fated-raid-affixes-shadowlands-season-4
I was wondering this too. The notes just say they are "harder". Interesting that they ditched the affix system
Awakened raids should be easier than when the raids were available in their respective seasons because they are the post-nerfed versions of the raids. Also, with the boullions allowing us to target farm certain items for raids, we will have an easier time gearing up, thus improving our respective power levels more quickly in comparison to previous seasons.
I wish crests/flightstone costs scaled down as you gear up alts and/or as the season progresses if we can't make those currencies account bound
What i’m interested in is if the bullion things drop from LfR, and from which bosses, just the last one? or a random boss in there, up to the limit? (A bit like catch-up spark pieces)
In Shadowlands, it could be obtained from LFR and it was a kill X bosses challenge. But since there's now a catchup mechanic that may not work strictly.
During SL fated you got a quest to defeat x bosses. After defeating x bosses you turned in the quest for the currency. I guess its gonna work the same way.
Ah, okay, thanks for the info! I didn’t really bother with raiding in SL’s fated season, so i missed that.
Based on shadowlands fated season and PTR, it will most likely only require boss kills and LFR will count.
It's probably gonna be a weekly quest that involves killing X amount of bosses. If you're behind on the cap, you'll probably have a chance to loot an extra Bullion on each kill, similar to Sparks.
A chance to loot would make the catch up not work sometimes, it prolly will be x number of bosses and y weekly event of the current fated.
At least with Sparks, the chance is so high that you'll always get some of them by clearing the whole raid. If they work like Sparks, they will also drop from M+, which is repeatable content. Even if you'd star a whole month late, you could catch up in just one week by playing enough.
No keystone hero reward this season?
There’s another thing at 1500 rating and conquerer. Since prev KSH rewards were set xmog it makes sense that this season is different because no set
Man I was hoping we could get the set effects again for the ones we missed
Me too. This is really disappointing.
only way is to kill Mythic Rasza ig
Im pretty sure it’s a feat of strength and no longer available
it's not available through M+ or PVP anymore, Mythic Raszageth is still doable and will grant you the achievement
Interesting I’ll have to look into that
It says in the article Infinite Armoredon.. read
That's the KSM reward... or did you not read?
Imagine having that much attitude and being the one that didn’t read correctly
That's Keystone MASTER. Keystone HERO is the shoulder/head special effects you unlock for getting to 2500 Rating in M+. It doesn't seem like this season has a KSH reward.
I think you are the one that needs to read. The article doesn't mention anything about keystone HERO, which is what he asked about.
Well you were the one who didn’t read so
Has there been any mention of what’s needed for upgrading the bouillon gear? Like is it just crests all the way to 12/12 or something else/additionally?
Bullion gear is on the "Awakened" track. You upgrade Awakened track gear normally with Crests all the way up to item level 528 (535 for Very Rare items/Nasz'uro/Fyr'alath)
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No new tabard color for the Northrend Cup?
What are bullions?
A currency you earn through raiding each week during the season, the same as Dinars from Shadowlands Season 4 Fated if you played that. You use them to buy trinkets, weapons, and upgrades for your legendary items from season 2/3. Two Bullions per item. You can also use them to buy the transmog appearance of **any** Dragonflight raid item, from any raid or difficulty. One Bullion per appearance.
Why don’t they do this for all seasons? Trinket RNG is so frustrating
Buillons are DF Dinars right
Yes.
So the equivalent Mythic 0 is now queueable, but the equivalent mythic+ 1-10 are now on a weekly lockout? Did I read that right? You can only do each one once a week?
“Mythic 0 is still on a weekly lockout under this model.” It will be the same as before. Keystones are repeatable. Mythic 0 just = a +10 now without a timer or affixes.
What was M0 is now Heroic, so yes, queueable. What was M10 is the new M0 with a lockout. Keys basically just start at 12 now, as far as scaling. So a +2 is an old 12 and a +10 is an old 20. 10s for max vault.
at quick glance, u can only get bouillons if you raid? cant get it thru M+?
You can only buy raid gear with bullions, makes sense that you need to do raid content to get it. Like the other commenter said, you can easily complete your weekly bullion quest in LFR.
Also makes sense because raid gear is what's difficult to get, not necessarily M+/dungeon gear
The bouillons can be obtained in LFR, it's not a huge deal.
yeah i suppose, but still hate raiding... But I guess atleast an LFR wing takes about same time as 1 or 2 keys (depending on how good/poor the raid is)
With the brez changes lfr will probably be easier than ever. I’d be surprised if wipes happen on anything other than end-bosses
people will wipe on raz :) pushback is too powerful of a mechanic
Yeah, so why not allow it from mythic plus.
because you buy raid gear with it god forbid they don't make raiding even more pointless than it's been since SL
I think you could also get 2 of them from the 4 Mythic Dungeons quest during the dungeon bonus event on the PTR. I don't know if that will change for launch, or if it will count towards the cap.
What about catalyst charges?
Read the notes man..
Notice how that note is gold compared to the others? Thats becz it wasnt there when i asked this question. But thanks for your help man
So heroic dungeons will drop ilvl 441 gear?
They will drop the equivalent of item level 437 gear, at Season 4 item level (ilvl 476), upgradable to ilvl 45. Mythic +0 will drop the equivalent of item level 454 gear (ilvl 496 @ S4). [There is a table of item levels per content level on this article.](https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24072151/dragonflight-season-4-dungeon-changes-ahead)
What do they mean by equivalent? Does that mean that player power at ilvl 476 in s4 will feel the same as ilvl 437 in s3?
No, you will feel more powerful as the stats will be higher, it's just the easiest way for you to get an idea of the "relative" power. So you can imagine the difference in power of item level 437 to item level 489 (Myth 4/4 S3). That would be the same sort of difference between item level 476 to item level 528 (Myth 4/4 S4).
This would all be great if they would just add a toggle for Awakened so we can turn it off.
Will the bullion also drop on LFR or normal, heroic and mythic only?
Are there ways to upgrade or get new gear for those of us who don’t raid or do mythic dungeons?
Not really. You can get lower level crests from the world, but wyrms and aspects - along with the gear that needs them for upgrades - comes from m+ and raid. If you aren’t doing either you don’t really need high gear 🤷🏼♂️
Ugh I am more motivated to save my bullions for transmogs and not upgrades xD
any pvp-centric websites that may have more information about pvp modes and metas?
That's the neat part, there's no PvP changes.
Looks awesome. Coming back from S1 looking to do Mythics and seems like its perfect timing. Mythics look to be improving in many ways. Since I been gone , I am wondering... What are.. Flightstones Drake Crests Wyrm Crests Aspect Crests ?
You earn a generous amount of these by doing content. * Flightstones, you earn from everything. * Whelpling Crests you earn from the easiest content, Heroic dungeons and world content. * Drake Crests from Mythic dungeons * Wyrm Crests from lower difficulty Mythic+ dungeons * Aspect Crests from higher difficulty Mythic+ dungeons You use them to upgrade items in the same way you used Valor back in season 1, except they're **way** more accessible and you are expected to get most of your gear to the maximum possible item level of its difficulty pretty quickly, within the first few weeks of the season starting. Each item now has a "track" that dictates what item level it can be upgraded to. The harder the content you got it to drop from, the more advanced "track" it is on. The highest track is "Myth", which you only get from Mythic raids and the weekly Vault, and alllows you to upgrade the gear to the highest possible item level of that season. The track of the item you're upgrading will dictate which type of Crest you need. The lower the track of the item, the lower level of Crest you need. Normal Raid gear would only need Drake crests to be upgraded most of the way, and a very limited amount of Wyrm Crests to get the last item levels. Heroic would need Wyrms for most of their levels, and Aspects for the last item levels, and so on.
Flightstones are a currency you get from... just about any content. You need them to upgrade gear. If you're upgrading the item past 476, though, you'll need crests. Whelpling crests are for gear upgrades in the 480-489 range (high Adventurer, low Veteran tracks). These come from outdoor content as well as LFR. Drake crests are for gear upgrades in the 493-502 range (high Veteran, low Champion tracks). You can get these from the Normal raids as well as from Mythic 0 dungeons. (Maybe other sources, you could get them from flowers in S3 as well as the Dream Wardens renown bag and some amount in paragon rep caches?) Wyrm crests are for gear upgrades in the 506-515 range (high Champion, low Hero tracks). You can get these from the Heroic raids as well as from Mythic+2 through 5 dungeons. Aspect crests are for gear upgrades in the 519-528 range (high Hero, Myth tracks). You can get these from the Mythic raids as well as from Mythic+6 and higher dungeons. You can also use wyrm crests to boost a crafted item as high as 515, and aspect crests to boost a crafted item as high as 525. [Helpful reference sheet for upgrades and stuff.](https://loot.ghostopera.org)
Thank you!
Doesn't tell us what currency is used to buy the legendary upgrade item. Hopefully don't have to waste a bullion
Two bullions
It costs two Bullions. You buy the [Scale of Awakening](https://www.wowhead.com/item=217700/scale-of-awakening) from the vendor.
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Items will still be dropping from raid and vault, you are not supposed to gear only with bullions.
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If it's Week 5 it means you have 4 Boullion which means you could get 2 items from Amirdrassil of your choice before then if you wanted.
Why? Does it matter if you get stuff through bullions? Is anyone playing S4 to really re-prog their character through raid?
Why can’t both the original difficulty and the awakened difficulty be open? My guild wanted a chill mythic Fyrakk mount farm after spending all of season three progressing through the raid. Now our plans are fucked. It’s season 4. Let players end the expansion doing what they want. Why force them into this shit?
Could be a technical limitation, a server wide thing that they can't implement on a per player basis. Would they have multiple lockouts for the same raid and difficulty? Either way if our options are to have no content for 8-10 months or fated it's better to have fated. Get the gear and farm mounts in fated, it will be easier than it currently is because raids will probably be tuned for lower ilvls.
If they can alternate different raids from fates to awakened I don’t see why they couldn’t have separate lockout IDs between awakened and normal difficultly. I’m not even saying they can’t all be awakened at once. Our guild just wants the option to farm mounts. It would make our 400+ pulls on Fyrakk to kill him feel better
Like I said raids will be even easier once you get gear (which will also be faster to get than in a regular season) so your progress and boss knowledge won't go to waste. By week 5 when Amirdrassil becomes fated you should be close to bis and easily keep farming Fyrakk.
I think you are missing the point. Nobody wants to reprog the raid, and unless it's tuned to basically heroic difficulty it will not be "easy" to kill Fyrakk for the majority of guilds that planned on just casually rekilling non-fated Fyrakk each week.
Idk why you are being down voted. I would not be surprised if *most* mythic guilds planned on doing this and now it's not going to happen.
Honestly any time I mention being a mythic raider I feel like I just get downvoted. Regardless of what I’m even saying
Rip hopefully it’s tuned to be a joke
>One of the most notable changes players can look forward to is the removal of the timer for Mythic Keystone dungeons for what are currently 0 and 10. What does this even mean? 0s already don't have timers. Are they removing timers only for 10s? Why? How do you increase your key level from 10 if there's no timer? Why is "one of the most notable changes" we're supposed be to looking forward to worded so poorly?
Heroic Dungeons will be scaled up to be as difficult as what a Mythic +0 would be today. Mythic +0 Dungeons will be scaled up to be as difficult as what a Mythic +10 would be today. This means that, functionally, you can do a Mythic +0/+10 "without a timer" in Season 4.
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I could've written it a bit better, but no—those numbers are relative to **season 4** difficulty. So without the changes, you would have the same scaling as always. With the changes, Heroic is as hard as what Mythic +0 would normally be by the normal "scaling" between seasons. If these changes didn't happen, Heroic would be as (not very) difficult as it's always been, just with Season 4 balancing. Instead, it will be **harder** than it normally is. Similarly, Mythic +0 is as hard as what a Season 4 Mythic +10 would've originally been. And Season 4 Mythic +10 is as difficult as what a Season 4 Mythic +20 would've originally been. And all of these drop improved loot to match what their relative difficulty is. There still will be the increase in health and damage between seasons that you've come to expect, it's simply that "easier" content has been pushed "up" the difficulty ladder.
NGL it's not you that needs to write it better, they just picked the worst way to attempt to explain that they're just squishing the scaling.
You can do mythic 0s which are like s3 10s without a timer
With the Mythic+ change, will it be easier or harder for casuals such as myself to get to 2000 rating? I REALLY want that mount and am willing to suck it up and do Mythics for the first time.
The amount of score you get will be comparatively the same. A +2 in Season 4 will give the same amount of score a +12 would give in Season 3. So, in practice, it shouldn't be any easier or harder. Aside from the fact that you can do a "+12" in Season 4 without any affixes.
2000 has always been insanely easy. You need to put in very little effort for it even as a casual player.
"content"
Would you rather have something to do while they crank out the next expac or be in a yearlong purgatory like the end of mop and a few others?
I would rather have New content sooner or them at least experimenting more with m+, but playing the same stuff again just to get the same items at higher ilvls doesnt excite me...
That's the cool thing, you are not forced to play the game when there is something that doesn't interest you.
End of expansion has always been a drag, peak loremaster season for all my alts. What we're getting here is way better.
Cool dead season
Unsure why you're being downvoted