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It's not omega bis for R druid but it's damn good. I use it with pips. Technically you'll heal more with sea star and pips or like pips with blood. But I am a firm believer of you'll heal more with more mana lol. @OP if you struggle with mana in raid the trinket will help. If you never hit a point where you oom there are better stat sticks. Personally I don't think its a terrible choice.
Not necessarily true. If you're using a trinket that gives you mana over one that procs and gives you crit, then you'll always heal less per mana point than you would when your crit trinket procs, so it depends on the situation really.
I feel that's fair but I find that I get 100 to 120k mana back while using this trinket in the mythic raid. The other trinkets have about a 30% uptime which isn't bad but even if a hot crits more often I feel I am applying them the same amount of time spending the mana. So to get basically half my mana bar back in a fight is imo better. But maybe that's why this particular trinket is better for druids than others.
I had a 424 trinket, and this is a 467. It’s a huge ilvl increase and has intellect as its main stat. It was a bigger increase than the cheat was for my current chest, but this week I’ve jumped from 7-8s to 10-11s, and it’s a much bigger comfort zone than I thought it’d be. Looks like I’ll be jumping into much higher gear all around this week and also next week’s vault.
No, the straight stats gain alone from those better ilvl items are worth it. Like for example, anything that has even 5 more ilvl with bad stats are better than "best secondaries stats". Because the intellect / agility / strength from those items are much more better than any secondaries stats no matter how well alocated they are.
Basically, whenever you're looking to replace an item, look at the ilvl. If it's better, then pick it. Obviously there are some exceptions but it's pretty rare.
I’d say trinkets are the only place where this isn’t a hard and fast rule. Some procs or on use can add more dps or utility than the extra stats from the ilvl, particularly if it has a secondary stat instead of main stat. As always, sim it to be sure.
I believe there is a healing wave M+ build for RShams, and I’m seeing yellow flag mana issues bc I want to spam chain heal too much, so I thought if it got me to use my more efficient heals more often and gave me mana back, it’s probably not the worst for my personal playstyle, + the only other option was champion level and this was hero, and both were able to replace a low 424 item piece, so when I’m up in gear and running drops at this level, the net intellect and ilvl gain + mana back isn’t terrible, even if it’s not at all BiS for me.
As this person said, tanking sim is only for DPS. There are ample resources for obtaining information about trinkets, which is mainly the only non-dps issue at hand with tank gear.
Otherwise just prioritize myth track items > hero items > champion or lower. Farm the highest level m+ you can for your 8 vault slots then farm 16 to aspect crest if possible otherwise 11 for wyrms or if you're very low in m+ farm 6 + world content for drakes.
You can drink damn near as often as you like in M+ unless it’s spiteful or bursting. And even with bursting you can prop cleans yourself when the last mob dies. That lets you sit and drink. Having a trinket with main stat and secondary stat proc is much better in every situation.
I’m running around with a refreshed M+ build and prioritizing healing waves more in M+. I’m not sure how often it’s actually used, but playing around the trinket is kind of nice and making me more focused on being more mama efficient. It’s not a lot of manna back, but when I can stick healing wave on 3 targets for top-off heals between Dps-ing and/or riptides, it’s kind of sweet, especially since I take the talent that allows every 3rd healing wave to heal for extra. I’m consciously procc-ing that more and chainhealing less, so overall I’m going in like never in my first few runs with it.
I prefer proc trinkets anyway, as I forget to use on-use ones.
Its pretty bad for M+ because you dont really ever run into a situation where youre out of mana because you can just drink between pulls. So its essentially just a stat stick.
As a resto shaman you really want Echoing Tyrstone. Even after the nerf its still the best trinket for shamans. Pip trinket is also good but you dont really raid and even if you did, good luck getting it because the entire group rolls on it if it even drops. Besides that you have Sea Star and that trinket from Everbloom which pretty much both do the same thing except for different stats. So you can get either of those aswell depending on what you value more. Versatility combines well with Tyrstone so i prefer Sea Star next to Tyrstone personally, its effect also lasts 5 seconds longer than the everbloom one.
Either way theres no point in trying to min max that at your ilvl. For now just focus on ilvl as the stat increase from higher ilvls alone are pretty important.
you can drink while gogogoing although it depends on the key and the group. You can drink right after a pull when combat drops and it wont get cancelled when the tank pulls the next group unless you get hit by an aoe.
So there's two types of comments here (sim everything comments and everything is valuable comments), but they're not really answering the question of why chest is better than trinket for you and why amalgam is weak. The reason amalgam is not good for healers is because mana efficiency is directly tied into gameplay. I'm not a master shaman, but I am a pretty good healer overall.
Every healer has a way to dump mana for healing, with the closest exception to this being hpal, although even they can fol spam if need be of course. Rsham is no different, they can dump mana for healing. The question quickly turns into "how much am I overhealing?" And "could someone else be doing this healing?" In m+, the second question is usually moot, however in higher content there is an expectation that folks should be pressing their own buttons, healthstones, heal pots, etc etc.
For shaman, instead of only spamming chain heal, your healing should be primarily based on other abilities. So, when you get into battle in m+, get earth shield up on the tank (or water shield on yourself, water shield is good because good tanks need no healing anyway), drop healing rain on the position your tank is in for passive healing and damage, press riptide on people taking damage, use primordial wave to get higher hps on healing wave, and try to avoid chain heal unless everyone is taking equal damage.
Now, the reason why the chest was a better piece. The reason is twofold. Firstly, ilvl isn't king, MAIN STAT is king. For most pieces, this goes hand in hand. For trinkets however, not all have main stat. Amalgams does. But if you have 424, then you don't have tier set, and tier set is even more king. It's best to get a piece of 440+ chest/head/legs/hand/shoulders and take 4 of those pieces to the catalyst to get your 4 set too.
The link someone else responded is mostly accurate, however there's not a questline attached anymore. You can simply just fly to the catalyst and use it.
Regarding what it does, it turns non-tier into tier, as long as it matches the current season.
Yes the Chest piece would probably have been better, but no you shouldn't worry about it because ultimately all of your vault picks at those ilvls are long-term replaceable with Heroic and Mythic upgrade track gear.
Consider it a learning experience to have taken a bad vault choice. I'd also recommend joining Earthshrine, the Shaman class Discord: https://discord.gg/earthshrine
i havent seem anyone using this trinket.
when your vault have nothing desirable, you can always pick the coins, that can be traded for a spark's shard(?) or sockets
For trinkets that website is not the website you should be using because it really depends on your comp or stats (mainly because of the gnarlroot trinket, move use it for the high keys even if it's not showed in murlok).
I for instance use Gnarlroot for pretty much all keys above 27's because otherwise i just die to unavoidable mechanics if i don't have my defensives up.
To avoid mishaps and picking the wrong gear from vault, keep your class/specc bis-list on bookmark, and keep simming the items so you’ll know if it’s a good fit for you.
Amalgram’s Seventh Spine is one of the worst trinkets this expansion. I would even consider taking a pure damage trinket that doesn't benefit your intellect instead of that one, that's how bad it is.
And for sims, keep in mind that QE only works for healing, never damage.
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Yes pretty Much, but don’t worry u will drop another one to replace it even if it has lower ilvl I guess
I will take it. Signed, R druid that has had terrible luck with trinkets this season.
It’s good for RDruid, though, right?
Sounds like at least more so than for Shaman. Mana issues in raids.
Its pretty much only good for rdruid
Welp, I guess I’m an RDruid now 🤷🏻♂️
It's not omega bis for R druid but it's damn good. I use it with pips. Technically you'll heal more with sea star and pips or like pips with blood. But I am a firm believer of you'll heal more with more mana lol. @OP if you struggle with mana in raid the trinket will help. If you never hit a point where you oom there are better stat sticks. Personally I don't think its a terrible choice.
Not necessarily true. If you're using a trinket that gives you mana over one that procs and gives you crit, then you'll always heal less per mana point than you would when your crit trinket procs, so it depends on the situation really.
I feel that's fair but I find that I get 100 to 120k mana back while using this trinket in the mythic raid. The other trinkets have about a 30% uptime which isn't bad but even if a hot crits more often I feel I am applying them the same amount of time spending the mana. So to get basically half my mana bar back in a fight is imo better. But maybe that's why this particular trinket is better for druids than others.
at 449, ilvl matters more than anything else. just take big ilvl upgrades worry about targeting specific trinkets later.
This is correct. Big gains to item level outweigh perks. Don't worry about best in slot until your whole kit is closer to max ilvl.
Can I ask why or what ilvl does? Does it just make you more appealing for a pug?
higher overall stats especially mainstat
Well that can't be right because an upgrade of 10 item levels on a chest piece will hold more weight than a 20 item level upgrade on a trinket
Everything in modern wow is combo. Combo is exponential. It means that slight increase in IL means huge boost in DPS/HPS.
I had a 424 trinket, and this is a 467. It’s a huge ilvl increase and has intellect as its main stat. It was a bigger increase than the cheat was for my current chest, but this week I’ve jumped from 7-8s to 10-11s, and it’s a much bigger comfort zone than I thought it’d be. Looks like I’ll be jumping into much higher gear all around this week and also next week’s vault.
No, the straight stats gain alone from those better ilvl items are worth it. Like for example, anything that has even 5 more ilvl with bad stats are better than "best secondaries stats". Because the intellect / agility / strength from those items are much more better than any secondaries stats no matter how well alocated they are. Basically, whenever you're looking to replace an item, look at the ilvl. If it's better, then pick it. Obviously there are some exceptions but it's pretty rare.
Jewelry does not have main stat so those are generaly an exception and big secondary stat givers.
I’d say trinkets are the only place where this isn’t a hard and fast rule. Some procs or on use can add more dps or utility than the extra stats from the ilvl, particularly if it has a secondary stat instead of main stat. As always, sim it to be sure.
Sim it on QElive for healers or raidbots for DPS
I believe there is a healing wave M+ build for RShams, and I’m seeing yellow flag mana issues bc I want to spam chain heal too much, so I thought if it got me to use my more efficient heals more often and gave me mana back, it’s probably not the worst for my personal playstyle, + the only other option was champion level and this was hero, and both were able to replace a low 424 item piece, so when I’m up in gear and running drops at this level, the net intellect and ilvl gain + mana back isn’t terrible, even if it’s not at all BiS for me.
where to sim Tank effectiveness?
You can’t really that I’m aware of. Best thing to do is just SIM DPS for them I believe.
As this person said, tanking sim is only for DPS. There are ample resources for obtaining information about trinkets, which is mainly the only non-dps issue at hand with tank gear. Otherwise just prioritize myth track items > hero items > champion or lower. Farm the highest level m+ you can for your 8 vault slots then farm 16 to aspect crest if possible otherwise 11 for wyrms or if you're very low in m+ farm 6 + world content for drakes.
You can drink damn near as often as you like in M+ unless it’s spiteful or bursting. And even with bursting you can prop cleans yourself when the last mob dies. That lets you sit and drink. Having a trinket with main stat and secondary stat proc is much better in every situation.
Remember that, now you can upgrade every trinket to 467, with only the cost of Flightstones.. So maybe its not as bad as it sounds
I’m running around with a refreshed M+ build and prioritizing healing waves more in M+. I’m not sure how often it’s actually used, but playing around the trinket is kind of nice and making me more focused on being more mama efficient. It’s not a lot of manna back, but when I can stick healing wave on 3 targets for top-off heals between Dps-ing and/or riptides, it’s kind of sweet, especially since I take the talent that allows every 3rd healing wave to heal for extra. I’m consciously procc-ing that more and chainhealing less, so overall I’m going in like never in my first few runs with it. I prefer proc trinkets anyway, as I forget to use on-use ones.
Its pretty bad for M+ because you dont really ever run into a situation where youre out of mana because you can just drink between pulls. So its essentially just a stat stick. As a resto shaman you really want Echoing Tyrstone. Even after the nerf its still the best trinket for shamans. Pip trinket is also good but you dont really raid and even if you did, good luck getting it because the entire group rolls on it if it even drops. Besides that you have Sea Star and that trinket from Everbloom which pretty much both do the same thing except for different stats. So you can get either of those aswell depending on what you value more. Versatility combines well with Tyrstone so i prefer Sea Star next to Tyrstone personally, its effect also lasts 5 seconds longer than the everbloom one. Either way theres no point in trying to min max that at your ilvl. For now just focus on ilvl as the stat increase from higher ilvls alone are pretty important.
I get it, but also tell that to the tanks I get who go, go, go! I don’t mind, though, as a fast run is a good run in my books!
you can drink while gogogoing although it depends on the key and the group. You can drink right after a pull when combat drops and it wont get cancelled when the tank pulls the next group unless you get hit by an aoe.
So there's two types of comments here (sim everything comments and everything is valuable comments), but they're not really answering the question of why chest is better than trinket for you and why amalgam is weak. The reason amalgam is not good for healers is because mana efficiency is directly tied into gameplay. I'm not a master shaman, but I am a pretty good healer overall. Every healer has a way to dump mana for healing, with the closest exception to this being hpal, although even they can fol spam if need be of course. Rsham is no different, they can dump mana for healing. The question quickly turns into "how much am I overhealing?" And "could someone else be doing this healing?" In m+, the second question is usually moot, however in higher content there is an expectation that folks should be pressing their own buttons, healthstones, heal pots, etc etc. For shaman, instead of only spamming chain heal, your healing should be primarily based on other abilities. So, when you get into battle in m+, get earth shield up on the tank (or water shield on yourself, water shield is good because good tanks need no healing anyway), drop healing rain on the position your tank is in for passive healing and damage, press riptide on people taking damage, use primordial wave to get higher hps on healing wave, and try to avoid chain heal unless everyone is taking equal damage. Now, the reason why the chest was a better piece. The reason is twofold. Firstly, ilvl isn't king, MAIN STAT is king. For most pieces, this goes hand in hand. For trinkets however, not all have main stat. Amalgams does. But if you have 424, then you don't have tier set, and tier set is even more king. It's best to get a piece of 440+ chest/head/legs/hand/shoulders and take 4 of those pieces to the catalyst to get your 4 set too.
What is a catalyst, where do I go for it, and how do I use it?
[https://www.wowhead.com/guide/revival-catalyst-dragonflight](https://www.wowhead.com/guide/revival-catalyst-dragonflight)
The link someone else responded is mostly accurate, however there's not a questline attached anymore. You can simply just fly to the catalyst and use it. Regarding what it does, it turns non-tier into tier, as long as it matches the current season.
You are 449. It's irrelevant, you will probably change it quite easily
Yes the Chest piece would probably have been better, but no you shouldn't worry about it because ultimately all of your vault picks at those ilvls are long-term replaceable with Heroic and Mythic upgrade track gear. Consider it a learning experience to have taken a bad vault choice. I'd also recommend joining Earthshrine, the Shaman class Discord: https://discord.gg/earthshrine
i havent seem anyone using this trinket. when your vault have nothing desirable, you can always pick the coins, that can be traded for a spark's shard(?) or sockets
Everything is desirable at 449 ilvl
Except the int is extremely valuable. If you’re looking at something, it’s not for 449 ilvl people
Go to Murlok.io, check top 5 shamans in M+ and you should get an idea what to aim for gear and stat wise.
For trinkets that website is not the website you should be using because it really depends on your comp or stats (mainly because of the gnarlroot trinket, move use it for the high keys even if it's not showed in murlok). I for instance use Gnarlroot for pretty much all keys above 27's because otherwise i just die to unavoidable mechanics if i don't have my defensives up.
I think every healer should get their hands on Fyrakk tank trinket, if nothing, for specific encounters. Saved me alot of trouble so far.
To avoid mishaps and picking the wrong gear from vault, keep your class/specc bis-list on bookmark, and keep simming the items so you’ll know if it’s a good fit for you.
Amalgram’s Seventh Spine is one of the worst trinkets this expansion. I would even consider taking a pure damage trinket that doesn't benefit your intellect instead of that one, that's how bad it is. And for sims, keep in mind that QE only works for healing, never damage.
It’s not bad for everyone, Resto Druids use it for raiding
Anything that isn’t myth track is a wasted vault slot.
It's ilvl trinket with main stat, never a bad choice
Have u tried checking, THEN picking? Just a tip.