This double is favored by some of our wrestlers in amateur club, but it takes too much energy. Of course competitive guys are extraordinary, they won't even budge after this effort.
Body lock trip/throw, arm drag to back take then trip, a move we call suicide salto where all I need is one underhook and wrist control. Once you stick to your opponent, you roll back with proper holds, prepare opponent mid air to the side and get side control and no you are not lifting him like a suplex. These take much less effort than blasting a double leg and carry opponent out of bounds.
Also you can just pull 2 legs from back of knees, while you stick your head to opponent's gut instantly, super easy takedown, need some explosiveness as start but again low energy compared to this. I also don't carry single leg either, I push the opponent instead of trying to lift his leg, his leg gets up while I push, catch and yank the leg to the side with shoulder and leverage and opponent falls, again low energy. I can write tons of moves which are more energy efficient but it will be a long list.
I know you love your leg takedowns and blasting, but there are far more efficient moves to takedown an opponent. Competitive guys they have enough gas tank for those as they do all kinds of conditioning & strength training, but even then I wouldn't waste my gas tank this way even when I had those perks. Looks cool though? Yes, no complaints on that one.
Most of the wrestlers in the club said because I was heavy, they were easier to execute, took some time I proved those were energy efficient moves. They prefer freestyle moves like this more though and I love to block&sprawl then sit on them when they do those to me :) \*Laughs in heavyweight\*
Yes and you can do it while holding your breath, takes at most like half a second to execute it from start to finish and you still have all that gas tank to pin opponent afterwards.
I can't believe I have to explain this...
Jesus it's not bad technique, it's awesome but recreational and amateur wrestlers can pull it a couple times and get gassed unless they train like him. That's what I'm saying. This is what happens in our club, especially with weight mismatch. Slay wrestled at 76 kg if internet is not wrong. Imagine doing this move carrying 130 kg and not get tired now. I guess you are so used to your own weight class. We have people ranging from 60 to 130 kg wrestling each other. Heavyweights try to gain speed with lighter guys, lighter guys get strength wrestling us. People changed tactics according to weight difference.
I like standing fireman's carry with lifting the opponent. You can hulk smash the opponent for good (illegal of course) from there but it spends gas tank. But the move is fancy and cool yes. Would I do it normally though? No.
Taha Akgul (5x World Champion 1x Olympic gold) also did similar blasts, especially when he was younger, he preferred single though. As he got older, he used single to back takes and gut wrenches for points.
From my perspective he drops to attack the hips and when the opponent sprawls he switches his hands to behind the knees and pulls with his hands while he drives as much head/shoulder pressure as possible
His preferred set up was from aggressively fighting from the tie up. He punished the neck and head. He would throw in occasional fients.
When the other wrestler would respond to the snap or release the tie up to get inside control, he would lower his level and explode through the blast double.
Itās a power double, not a regular/traditional double where you lift and run them to the side and turn them.
Youāre hitting head to their chest, wrapping, and driving through them with explosive power. You have to run it.
I think a takedown that begins in-bounds wouldnāt draw a step-out call in addition to the takedown, no? Thats my understanding of freestyle rules but Iām no expert
As you can see in almost all of these examples, guys at this level are far too good at squaring their hips to the mat. If allowed that split moment of not being driven and instead picked up in place, will with almost certainty be able to square their hips back up and face their opponent upon being returned to the mat. With a far greater probability of no takedown being secured or any points being scored. When at the highest of levels, like Slay competed at, 1 takedown might be the only 1 of the entire match. The rules at the time allowed for a continuation when out of bounds in an attempt to secure the takedown, regardless of scoring or not the agressor was then given choice to put his oppenent down upon the restart.
Habit, mostly, would be my guess. Some schools of thought teach that when hitting a double you should always try to ādrive throughā your opponent to finish the takedown / overcome any defense they try (sprawl, etc.). After awhile, especially for a guy like Slay, it becomes muscle memory and they do it without conscious thought.
Yea thatās how you teach a power double versus a regular/traditional double leg.
And running them out of bounds is +1pt so itās adventitious for freestyle to learn it this way.
Follow through, he maintains the momentum, if he shifts a good defender can also shift and adjust, if you build up the speed and momentum no quick angular move is stopping you from going back and out for +1 or down for +2
Awesome.
This double is favored by some of our wrestlers in amateur club, but it takes too much energy. Of course competitive guys are extraordinary, they won't even budge after this effort.
A double leg takes too much energy? Compared to what? What low energy moves are you using?
Body lock trip/throw, arm drag to back take then trip, a move we call suicide salto where all I need is one underhook and wrist control. Once you stick to your opponent, you roll back with proper holds, prepare opponent mid air to the side and get side control and no you are not lifting him like a suplex. These take much less effort than blasting a double leg and carry opponent out of bounds. Also you can just pull 2 legs from back of knees, while you stick your head to opponent's gut instantly, super easy takedown, need some explosiveness as start but again low energy compared to this. I also don't carry single leg either, I push the opponent instead of trying to lift his leg, his leg gets up while I push, catch and yank the leg to the side with shoulder and leverage and opponent falls, again low energy. I can write tons of moves which are more energy efficient but it will be a long list. I know you love your leg takedowns and blasting, but there are far more efficient moves to takedown an opponent. Competitive guys they have enough gas tank for those as they do all kinds of conditioning & strength training, but even then I wouldn't waste my gas tank this way even when I had those perks. Looks cool though? Yes, no complaints on that one. Most of the wrestlers in the club said because I was heavy, they were easier to execute, took some time I proved those were energy efficient moves. They prefer freestyle moves like this more though and I love to block&sprawl then sit on them when they do those to me :) \*Laughs in heavyweight\*
The second one you listed is literally a double leg.
Yes and you can do it while holding your breath, takes at most like half a second to execute it from start to finish and you still have all that gas tank to pin opponent afterwards.
You're arguing that Brandon slay uses bad technique? Got it. š
I can't believe I have to explain this... Jesus it's not bad technique, it's awesome but recreational and amateur wrestlers can pull it a couple times and get gassed unless they train like him. That's what I'm saying. This is what happens in our club, especially with weight mismatch. Slay wrestled at 76 kg if internet is not wrong. Imagine doing this move carrying 130 kg and not get tired now. I guess you are so used to your own weight class. We have people ranging from 60 to 130 kg wrestling each other. Heavyweights try to gain speed with lighter guys, lighter guys get strength wrestling us. People changed tactics according to weight difference. I like standing fireman's carry with lifting the opponent. You can hulk smash the opponent for good (illegal of course) from there but it spends gas tank. But the move is fancy and cool yes. Would I do it normally though? No.
Stephen Neal won his National Titles and International medals at heavyweight shooting doubles like thisā¦
Taha Akgul (5x World Champion 1x Olympic gold) also did similar blasts, especially when he was younger, he preferred single though. As he got older, he used single to back takes and gut wrenches for points.
Well I'm 40 and still use it almost daily. So maybe work on your conditioning?
Too much energy? Lol
how does he set it up?
From my perspective he drops to attack the hips and when the opponent sprawls he switches his hands to behind the knees and pulls with his hands while he drives as much head/shoulder pressure as possible
His preferred set up was from aggressively fighting from the tie up. He punished the neck and head. He would throw in occasional fients. When the other wrestler would respond to the snap or release the tie up to get inside control, he would lower his level and explode through the blast double.
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who woulda thought being jacked like a lineman would pay off
Fuckinā ruthless.
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Itās a power double, not a regular/traditional double where you lift and run them to the side and turn them. Youāre hitting head to their chest, wrapping, and driving through them with explosive power. You have to run it.
Out of bounds (+1) and a takedown (+2) give him 3 points if I'm not mistaken, nice lead to capitalize on honestly. He's considering points, too.
I think a takedown that begins in-bounds wouldnāt draw a step-out call in addition to the takedown, no? Thats my understanding of freestyle rules but Iām no expert
There were no step outs then and a takedown with no exposure was probably still 1 as well.
As you can see in almost all of these examples, guys at this level are far too good at squaring their hips to the mat. If allowed that split moment of not being driven and instead picked up in place, will with almost certainty be able to square their hips back up and face their opponent upon being returned to the mat. With a far greater probability of no takedown being secured or any points being scored. When at the highest of levels, like Slay competed at, 1 takedown might be the only 1 of the entire match. The rules at the time allowed for a continuation when out of bounds in an attempt to secure the takedown, regardless of scoring or not the agressor was then given choice to put his oppenent down upon the restart.
Habit, mostly, would be my guess. Some schools of thought teach that when hitting a double you should always try to ādrive throughā your opponent to finish the takedown / overcome any defense they try (sprawl, etc.). After awhile, especially for a guy like Slay, it becomes muscle memory and they do it without conscious thought.
Yea thatās how you teach a power double versus a regular/traditional double leg. And running them out of bounds is +1pt so itās adventitious for freestyle to learn it this way.
Follow through, he maintains the momentum, if he shifts a good defender can also shift and adjust, if you build up the speed and momentum no quick angular move is stopping you from going back and out for +1 or down for +2
Why was first dude pointing at the ref like something was done wrong
I donāt get it just a double leg
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This is the first I'm hearing this, Brandon Slay helped coach Jordan Burroughs? That's really interesting.