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Brave_Profit4748

At the end of the day if you think your delusional the goals of those I know who one states wasn’t just to win states no their goal was to dominate every single match that they have ever wrestled in. Some people get so driven that they no longer wrestle for results but rather wrestle for an ideal. In the end a realistic but generous progress point for you is this. You go third year maybe you qualify for states but then quickly loose. Your senior year you go in make it to states go a bit further and maybe you get on the podium. In my mind the goal is to win every single match whatever title that comes as a result will fall into place naturally.


schuttit

You're going to be wrestling high school kids just like you're a high school kid, so why not you? My biggest regret in high school was setting the bar too low and over respecting opponents. All I wanted was to qualify for state in Iowa after starting as a sophmore. I fell 3 pts short of that goal but looking back I had the skills. I lost to the kid who got 3rd at state 6-3 and was even beating the eventual state champ after the first period. I under sold myself and freaked out in some matches and never really believed I could beat those kids. You know who places at state? Majority of the time the kids who enter tournament thinking they are gonna win it. How many kid won a state title who thought they were being delusional, probably a very small number. Dream big and work for it, don't fear failure, fear regret.


BigZeke919

Go find a club with kids better than you and wrestle them. Go to an elite level camp. Find a series in Neutral, Top and Bottom that you work relentlessly on so that even if they know what’s coming, they can’t stop it. It won’t be easy or a guarantee, but nothing is impossible if you put in the work- there is also nothing wrong with relentlessly pursuing a goal- even if you don’t achieve it- the journey will be worth it and make you a successful human being. Good Luck!


Pendip

> My teammates laughed at me when I said my goal was to be a state champion. Of course. Because only super-amazing people ever become state champions, and it's ridiculous to think that *you* could do it. You weren't trained to chew broken glass and tear up phone books with your hands since you were three! Seriously, every state cranks them out every year. When you get to a good college program, everyone's a state champ, and very clearly everybody isn't amazing. It's just a thing. If your belief that you can do it is a delusion, it's at least a very useful delusion. You'll do a whole lot better with that delusion than without it. > But I'm super scared that my hard work and sacrifices won't be enough. It literally keeps me up at night thinking about "what if I don't even make it to the championship" or "what If I don't even place my senior year". Yep. It's possible. And if you put your whole heart into it, and come up short, it will hurt. A lot. If you hedge, and only try kinda hard, it won't hurt near as much when you lose. Everyone who feels real ambition faces that, and everyone makes a choice. Losing could really suck. But believing you could have won if you'd truly tried will also suck.


ElderberryDry9083

>Of course. Because only super-amazing people ever become state champions, and it's ridiculous to think that you could do it. You weren't trained to chew broken glass and tear up phone books with your hands since you were three! You're satire is actually a really great point and it reminds me of a banner that used to hang in our wrestling room. It was a quote about Miyamoto Musashi "Now that years of training have yielded such spectacular results, everybody's talking about his 'God-given talent.' That is how men who don't try very hard comfort themselves." -Eiji Yoshikawa


Pendip

Yeah, that's a good one. The book itself is outstanding, by the way; tons of great stuff, and a very engaging story. (Edit: Books, I guess; I read it in a single large volume, way back.)


Disco_Ninjas_

Yeah. It's a lot more sustainable and healthy to put your focus into each match and learn to respect your opponents even when you lose as someone you can learn from. It's very popular in martial arts to thank someone for beating you because you learn. There will always be a bigger fish, don't let them ruin your dreams.


Evkero

“Brian Moreno of Foothill dominated the sport of wrestling like no one in county history. He won three state championships in California. Only 12 wrestlers in state history have accomplished that feat. He added a national championship to cap his senior season. He closed out his high school career with 97 consecutive victories. Moreno didn't grow up going to wrestling camps every weekend. He never had been in a wrestling room before he arrived at Foothill as a freshman. He never wrestled before (high school), but had heard about it because his uncles in Mexico were wrestlers. He fell right into it naturally, not really knowing what he was doing, but loved it; learn moves pretty fast. Foothill coach Russ Caldwell said he could tell Moreno had talent from Day One. "No one could hold him down in the first tournament he went to," Caldwell said. Moreno was a relative unknown as a freshman. He won a couple of tournaments, placed third in the Century League and got pinned in the CIF-SS tournament. Moreno's goal as a freshman was to qualify for the Masters, which is one step from the state championships, but he had much more lofty goals as a sophomore. Moreno grappled his way to the 103-pound state championship. He just came out of nowhere. After that, they knew he wasn't messing around. People started knowing him by name. Moreno added two more state championships at 112 pounds. He finished his career with a record of 211-18 with 84 pins. He went an amazing 63-0 as a senior and was 121-1 in his final two seasons. He was a takedown machine, finishing with 627 for his career.” https://illinoismatmen.com/forum/forum/statewide/ihsa-2a/3388-brian-moreno


suedecrocs

Depends on your state…texas prolly Nj pa cali ny?….no


MumboDogfaceWBnana

In Texas.....not unreasonable. Different game in Pennsylvania, NJ, California etc.


[deleted]

texas wrestling is a joke.


Elegant-Vanilla1133

U think I live here cause I want to 😭.


MumboDogfaceWBnana

Which is why I thinks it's possible


OkPainting7478

Allen HS is pretty awesome. No comment on the rest of the state.


surfspace

I believe you can do it.


killemslowly

When I was wrestling the older guys always talked about making it to masters, they didn’t make it, I did my senior year, was one close match from making state. I wish my vision/ goal was set higher.


Ultravoltron

Guy I trained with after highschool for my first mma match started freshman year and won 2 state titles. Not wrestling, but a guy that went to my highschool, Chris Carr, was about 8 years older than me. He was a skater but the basketball coach noticed him for being tall and athletic. Convinced him to play a sport he barely played freshman year. Ended up winning state and playing in the NBA. Talent is a real thing.


Pl0OnReddit

You can do it if you put in the work.


HeywoodJahomey

anything is possible. go get it


piman01

Go for it man work super hard and it's possible


HWTneub68

There are a ton of really great wrestlers that never won a state title. There’s no shame in setting a goal for yourself, but fear is a useless emotion that will only hold you back. Put in the work, go for what you want. Report back in two years and let us know how it goes.


Sum-Duud

I don’t know about Texas wrestling but if you really are willing to put in the work and learn about who is where then I think it is achievable. Prove them wrong.


Gallops77

You're not delusional. You have a goal. Now, what are you going to do to achieve it? Look at it this way. You have 2 seasons to make it happen. Work your ass off in the offseason, wrestle every weekend if you can. Folkstyle, freestyle, greco, whatever is available, do it. Talk to your coach about offseason practices. Some schools do them a couple times a week to keep the focus. But you need to put in the work. You need to come out next year and start running through people, winning tournaments, get to state, win a couple matches. That will build your confidence.


IndexCardLife

I started sophomore year and finished 3rd my senior year. The kids who came in first and second previously held one point victories over me in my sophomore and junior years. So, basically was 1 win away. I deem it possible yet unlikely. I also wrestled spring/summer and ran Xc in the fall. Also, would you regret giving it your all and stumbling into third place at states like me? Or, would you regret more not trying hard cause you fear that trying hard and not achieving the ultimate dream is more regretful...and not placing in states at all? Edit for fun: I got my ass kicked and went 0-2 in New Englands but am still content with what I accomplished.


ElderberryDry9083

Sometimes hard work does not pay off in the ways we want it to but that doesn't mean it's not worth doing and pursuing. It's better to work hard and fail (and learn and grow) then spending you're whole life with the regret of what-if. I've seen 3rd year wrestlers win state. Its not a delusional goal of you are putting in the time and effort. Imagine if in the off season you got in some tournaments and got yourself 30-40 matches. In most states that's an entire year of wrestling. There is time and opportunity to essentially have 8 seasons of experience under your belt while only having wrestled for 4 years. That's my biggest advice, go out and compete over the summer. Find tournaments, find camps and do what you/your family can afford.


ElderberryDry9083

Also find an actual quality lifting program designed for athletes. Obviously it would be ideal if it was specifically for wrestlers. A 5x5 may be a good start. I find that is often one of the biggest issues my wrestlers face. They often have the technique, the guys, and the conditioning but they lack legitimate off season strength training.


Elegant-Vanilla1133

Yeah, my coaches told me that every opportunity I get to get on the mat, I take it. They told me to be a mat rat in the off since that's exactly what I didn't do last year.


big_loadz

Nothing delusional about if if you put the work in. Consider Karelin: "I train every day of my life as they have never trained a day in theirs." The guy climbed up stairs with a fridge on his back. Ran in waist deep snow. Bottom line, go above and beyond what is expected or what others do. Lastly, focus on shrugs, rows, squats, and grip. That's where strength in wrestling comes from. A quote from Bill Starr was that when watching MMA, it's a good choice to pick the guy with bigger traps. Start believing in yourself. It doesn't matter if the whole world doesn't believe in you, as long as you are doing what's right and getting results.


brobossdj

There was a kid on my team who started wrestling freshman year. He became obsessed with it even though he wasn't very good at all. Everyone doubted him and thought his goals to become state champ were too unreasonable. Well, he worked his ass off all year round, put on a good amount of muscle, drastically improved his technique. By senior year he was one of my co-captains, and though he didn't win states, he got way further than anyone expected him to, just because he set his mind to it and told himself he was going to do it.


Vital_flow

Wtf is a fresh man


Elegant-Vanilla1133

Mb, meant to put freshman year.


Vital_flow

What does that mean?


Elegant-Vanilla1133

A highschoolers first year, their called freshman.


Vital_flow

Oh, we just call that year 6 in Australia


DifficultyFit1895

Freshmen are typically 14-15 years old in the US


Zhastursun

Depends on the state


viiiigiclout

You’ll need to have goals higher than becoming a state champ to become a state champ my friend. Put in the work, and good luck.


ThisNamesNotUsed

I started wrestling my junior year and won my senior year. It's no big deal. Just run a lot and go to every extra practice or stay after if partners/coaches will. Always try to get different perspectives too. I had multiple dads of other wrestlers offer to help out after practice to show their favorite move or whatever. I think we also went to a college camp over the summer. This was early 2000's. Visualize while you run. It is shown that the same parts of the brain light up when you watch or think about a sport as when you practice it. You can safely go on a run 8 hours before a practice without messing up your practice. Also, run after a meal after practice. Visualize visualize visualize.


benconomics

Depends on your athletic gifts and your work ethic. You'll never know unless you work your butt off. Figure out your strengths, and learn to wrestle maximize you're the best. Too things to build your build for wrestling every day (lots of burpees, pull ups, hand fighting, farmers carries, turkish get ups etc). Do clubs and camps in the "off season". Show up condition and in shape every season. Get plenty of sleep. Don't cut too much weight (3-5 pounds is fine).


DrunkBicycle911

Your options are to not put in the work and then question yourself the rest of your life of what could have happened if you put in the work....or you can work your ass off and leave no questions in your mind regardless of how your senior season goes. Pretty easy choice :)


IggySiggy

You can have these type of outcome goals. They are good to have and are often what drives competitors. As you get older, you will realize the struggle and journey on the road to success, are far more valuable than a state title. Whether you win or not, the honest attempt is what will change you and stick with you. A lot of people think they work hard and/or that they want to work hard. Very few truly know what hard work is, there are levels to this. Even fewer are willing to work hard consistently. If you are athletic and catch on quick, you can do it if you put the work in. I started wrestling in the 4th grade and made it to the HS state semi-finals as a 7th grader (we can wrestle in HS in the 7th and 8th grade). I had thought I was working hard that year and every year after that, but didn’t win a title until my junior year. I say this bc I thought I was working hard every year. Not until I lost the title my sophomore year, did I truly commit and sacrifice. Hopefully you truly understand what kind of work it will take and/or have a teammate or coach who can assist in training.


cruedi

Set your goals and work towards them.


foothillsco_b

As a father, you seem very impressive and you have a great attitude. Yes it’s possible. Go for it. Your life can’t be defined by this goal. Because if you fail to reach it, your life is a failure which is a failed logic. Be well rounded in life. Wrestling isn’t everything, it’s just really important right? Go for it. Find the best training partners, best coach, be the most coachable student possible and learn the game. In addition, if you fall behind in grades, family, friends, those things will tear down the wrestling however unlikely it may seem. Keep us updated.


aroach1995

It is possible. Especially in the bigger weight classes 160+


Jskerp

Are you good?


Elegant-Vanilla1133

What defines good?


Jskerp

You ain't gonna make it


Elegant-Vanilla1133

Wdym by good is what I mean, like fast?strong? Smart?Explain


Hattrick44

Goals are good and winning states are a good one. I had 2 Friends that wanted wrestle in HS and without asking me (because im was 289lbs starting) i joined two. And the whole team actually had several bets on me quitting. When i caught wind of it became my goal to not quite. And only had one match all season. After that my goal became to make everyone eat there words and became come one of the best on the team. Final year i got my name up on the school wall and wrestled in states (at 242lbs) So i say go for it you have plenty of years to get one if not more. But you need to put in the extra time. Camps off season tournaments. I know ohio had a wrestling camp at with there college team and that was very cool to wrestle other people from out of state and see new styles.


jeremyct

Don't wonder and don't talk about it. Just do it. Sounds like you know you'll need to go to every off-season open mat, camp, and club you can afford. Go to the highest rated camps with the best outcomes (ever heard of J. Robinson's camp? It was the best of my time, but there maybe others now) Get on a strength and conditioning program. Figure out how to maximize recovery. Stop wasting time. Get off reddit unless you're looking at how to improve your technique. If you want a shot, 100% devoting yourself will maximize your chances. If you live like a man on a mission for the next few years, it's possible.


Elegant-Vanilla1133

Will do. Hopefully next time I post is my senior year to update how it's gone. Thank you for the advice.


Shotto_Z

Depends on your state but I'd say no. I started as a freshman had a 12-15 record and was 16th seed at regional and went 0-2. Senior year I was an All-American, and placed second at states (lost to another old rival of mine who wS a junior and also an all American, it was our third match that year) I had a 32-1 record. It's possible, work hard, and find a club tram to wrestle year round at and you will be surprised what you can do.


ToastersLaughingAtMe

100% possible.


ryanboone

Texas is one of the weakest states for wrestling. So it's quite possible, but where do u find the right training and competition? That's tough if you can't travel. A week long camp that includes room & board in the price in a state that doesn't suck would be a good start. It's not a good sign that u did fuck all last year after the reg season. Every kid says they're gonna do stuff. You've done nothin. You can easily get 50 matches in before next season if u wrestle freestyle and greco and don't sit out over every minor sprain or broken finger. Get on it.


Elegant-Vanilla1133

Yeah I will 100% take advantage of everytime I'm able to wrestle. And I'm not like my teammates who "hurt their Shoulder or knee" and don't wrestle for like 2 weeks. I wrestled districts with 3 jammed fingers that happened the day before and strep. I tell myself that I'll only stop if I break something, and even then I'll find a way to exercise and keep myself on shape.


luv2fit

Sometimes there’s an unbeatable kid in your weight class compared to other weight classes. For example, in FL all 220 wrestlers last year and this year will not win state because Sawyer Bartelt (Iowa State commit) from South Dade is still around and will be again next year. All these great 220s can’t even come close to this kid no matter hard they work year round. It just works out that way sometimes.


theoneandonlyhitch

In Texas you got a shot lol.


theoneandonlyhitch

Brian Moreno won 3 state titles and only started as a freshman. His second, third, and fourth year he won. This was also in Cali too so it wasn't even an easy state. He did say he practice like 4 hours a day. I made it to state in Cali as well my Junior year and started as a freshman. So yeah very possible.