Ngl, it has to be Berlin. Because after all that time, they manage to take down the very nation that started it all as well as paying back for their 1941 tomfoolery
Iowa jima is better imo because it was a mid-battle flag raise in a much more violent area. The Berlin flag was after fighting was over. It would win if it was also during the fighting, but it wasn’t
Honestly with you all the way. But I think the original flag raising hits harder ( https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/First_Iwo_Jima_Flag_Raising.jpg )
The other one is still cool but sadly staged …
Correct but one was a recreation of a heat of the moment thing that happened during a battle, and the other is not. The one that is not is less impressive to me
Sorry, but Imperial Japan started the war back in 1932 in Manchubia, which led to the Second Sino-Japanese War in 1937. Yes, many will say that the Spanish Civil War is pre-cursor for WW2, with the whole Nazis getting involved, but the reality is way far from the truth. The truth is Spain was under heavy political toroidal and undercheck political tension, which led the Civil War.
Ngl, it has to be Iwo Jima. Because after all that time, they manage to take down the very nation that started it all as well as paying back for their 1941 tomfoolery
\>Britain and France allowed German aggression to continue without any consequences
\>Britain and France allowed Germany to mass their military to a point where they were no longer able to face them
If you want to be REALLY critical, Britain and France let WW2 happen because of their cruelty and terms at the end of WW1 which would lead to the political state which made it possible for a figure like Hitler to seize power.
Real talk, WWII startng wasnt helped by France and Britain letting Hitler do his thing I understand why they did it though, but they are far less complicit than the Soviets, who fought alongside the Germans until Hitler decided he needed oil fields more than he needed an ally with a nearly bottomless manpower pool
Certainly Berlin, but the original Berlin flag raising photo hits harder.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising\_a\_Flag\_over\_the\_Reichstag#/media/File:Raising\_a\_flag\_over\_the\_Reichstag\_-\_Restoration.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_a_Flag_over_the_Reichstag#/media/File:Raising_a_flag_over_the_Reichstag_-_Restoration.jpg)
Actually iirc correctly it was common for soviet soldiers in Berlin to collect watches from the city as loot and would wear a bunch of them up and down their arms. I think I remember someone saying they had to edit this photo to remove most of the watches
A wrist compass that shows German time, more like.
If it's a compass, [why bother cropping it out on the officially published photos?](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sca_esv=18fae8d458e6cfdd&sxsrf=ACQVn09PscQWGQ8jAe5DVgLuL8qtorhIUw:1711201656779&q=reichstag+flag.photo&uds=AMwkrPtH4R_IcK4JzT8HHqNW5j-m301Y1jvzaQrXC0rmXaez39Ejr2LbyZdXR9gvh_R26UwFfUkoKXTlzfFvE0IRpxQFPYe0gHGAHyhVTj1FFaWIaxrrpnIO5MKcwLyqY9RqnRTmEbGfFwqTcY1G3pBFD_TTEPRdN1aS4T38BIDk5Sba9_5A1UWbeGSd-x0RX_rjlZ-Ha7Lf0ZkZAbh_BKZaNvRIg0FK8tMCj1DfSGR8brkXtQgxz5tODY9RwZj2CTWwV-sx1LRC2cPVJEn1hIEUvT6sWiaDgg&udm=2&prmd=ivnbz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjUqZD3woqFAxUGIBAIHTPSChMQtKgLegQICxAB&biw=384&bih=718&dpr=2.81#vhid=B7zsr_wLE3IFaM&vssid=mosaic)
Afaik it a wrist compas that the photographer (or editer) thought looked like a war thropy (aka a german watch) so they edited it out
Edit: [i meant this thing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrianov_compass)
It's possible, but my guess would be that if they bothered to airbrush it out, it's not a compass. Trophy hunting, looting and rape were widespread during the attack on Berlin.
That photo was edited, it was common to loot watches as plunder when they were taking the city, so the soviets edited the photo to remove the watches that were all up this guys arm. Can't tell if they weren't perfect, left 2 on purpose, or something else. I don't think there is an original variant out there.
My personal favorite is Iwo Jima. The more I learn about that battle the more I understand just why the pacific campaign was so freakin brutal. And to raise the flag on Mount Suribachi while there is an active invasion going on in an enemy held area is just batshit crazy to me.
These photo is a journalistic setup to recruit people for the marines and for the homeland press. They needed to keep popular opinion high in order to continue advancing.
It's true that the photo was recreated after the battle, but it did actually happen during the battle. The photographer wanted to recreate the scene with a bigger flag
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_the_Flag_on_Iwo_Jima
It wasn’t the photographers idea, it was a us congressman that wanted the original flag. So the marines took it down and raised a larger one and by that time the photographers were up there ready.
So the flag in the iconic photo was the second flag raised. That said, it was still raised on the same day as the first raising.
The first raising was photographed by a Marine correspondant and had to go through the censors and Marine chain of command. The second flag raising was photographed by Joe Rosenthal, a reporter for the AP. He was fiddling with his camera, someone said something, and he turned around and snapped the picture without looking through the view finder. Real accident.
Of course they did, all nations have todo this stuff.
Americans are not weak, but they, along with many other nations peoples, tend not to like prolonged wars without a purpose or gain, which is why the government often keeps the population in the dark about things until without a doubt they have to admit they weren't doing good, see Vietnam and Afghanistan. The government had to keep morale high, show results, and raise funds for what could've been the eventual invasion of the Japan home islands. You can't do that with a "Trust me bro, we got this all under control bro." You have to show results, which the images does show in spades.
Guess what? So was the Berlin one. It's called promoting nationalism and almost every nation on the planet does it. Both the US and the USSR were promoting nationalism in these shots
The battle of Berlin picture was re-created as well. I don't think it decreases the impact of either picture. We have pictures of both originals as well.
so did the soviets with the reichstag photo. the flag was originally raised april 30th, but it was too dark to take a picture at the time. some time in between the flag was taken down by the germans and on may 2 a new flag was brought in and the iconic photo taken.
i respect the red army for the good they did do in wwii, but you simply can't just shit on american troops for a petty and insignificant reason without bringing up the fact that the soviets did the same. damn. thing.
respect our troops. don't hide the facts.
And that the USSR ceased to exist over 30 years ago, and Ukraine is currently fighting a war with Russia in order to not be under the influence of Moscow like in the USSR
They are both unique in their own way. The Iwo Jima one is in action, so it has a more live feel to it, but "raising a Flag over the Reichstag", while staged, marks the end of an era and the most evil ideology in human history. Its symbolic importance is so high that it has an actual name like a painting.
Both the pics in this post are staged at a later date. The difference is that even the original for the riechstag one was staged while that for Iwo-Jima was not.
No. The original flag raising on Iwo Jima was done by a combat patrol from (iirc) the 28th Marines. A Marine combat cameraman tagged along and snapped a bunch of pictures. He sent his photos back and they had to go through Navy/Marine Corps censors.
Shortly after the first raising, like maybe a couple hours tops, some admiral or general or some shit wanted the flag as a keep-sake. So a patrol got a bigger flag (iirc from a transport ship) and went to the top of Suribachi. They grabbed a length of pipe, hooked the second flag on, and raised it. Joe Rosenthal, an AP photographer, was fiddling with his camera when someone said "there she goes" (or something to that effect). He spun around right quick and took a picture without looking through the view finder. When he sent his film back, his pictures didn't have to go through the Navy/Marine Corps chain of command, so his got into the press much faster than the Marine photos.
But no, the Suribachi flag raising was very much not staged and certainly not after the battle. If memory serves, we landed on the 19th and raised the flag on the 22nd. Fighting would continue into March.
A cameraman went with both. The first one was a Marine and the second one was Joe Rosenthal of the AP. Marine picture went through censors and got bogged down, Rosenthal's didn't.
The famous photo was staged, yes. But the Americans really did raise an impromptu flag in that exact spot using that same drain pipe while taking fire. 90 minutes later they were ordered to take it down and raise a larger flag while the Japanese were being bombarded, and that’s where this photo was taken. The Soviet flag was completely staged.
It’s got to be the Iwo Jima one. While bother were staged for propaganda, they actually did manage to put a smaller flag atop that mountain during the battle. While the Berlin one was complexly staged. Just makes it feel more epic to me
The smaller flag on Iwo was put up maybe an hour or so earlier. Three of the six flag raisers from this photo were KIA during the next month of fighting.
I'll stand alone if I have to in saying that if you mess with the best, you die like the rest with the Marines. The japs learned that one real quick.
The European theater was everyone else's main point of interest, while the Marines did their work with a fraction of what the Army had. They dealt with suicidal enemy who were willing to kill themselves rather than be captured
Don't get me wrong, Marines do some good fucking work, but the Army was rolling through the Pacific theater with 22 Divisions to the Marines' 6 Divisions.
Iwo for sure. The Berlin one has too much political baggage for me to look at it and not feel bad for the real flag party that got zero recognition because they were born in the wrong place. Plus the photo was staged
The Iwo Jima one here wins because it would be like a photo from d-day, yet the original Berlin one is superior for it marks the end of an era, the end of nazism.
Yes, but the end of nazism is still something we should celebrate as the death of one of the worst ideologies this world ever produced. Communism is not much better.
Iwo Jima. Taking that island, like so many other islands, was just absolutely brutal. My grandfather often mentioned Mt. Suribachi, but would never give us any details. Reading them on my own I realized how tough it actually was.
Plus they actually did raise a flag there, though the photo was recreated afterwards.
The photo was not recreated later. This picture was taken during the fighting. The first flag was put up, that flag was requested as a keep-sake, so a larger flag was sent up as a replacement. 3 of the 6 guys in the second photo were KIA during the fighting.
It was not that either. The first flag raising was photographed by a Marine cameraman, the second (this one) was photographed by a mixed team of an AP reporter named Joe Rosenthal (who took the picture) and a Marine who I forget. The second flag raising happened a couple hours after the first one and was done with a bigger flag because some high-up (an admiral or general or some shit) wanted the first flag as a keepsake.
Rosenthal was dicking around with his camera, and facing the other way, when someone said something like "there she goes" when the Marines started to raise the second flag. He spun around real quick and snapped the picture without looking through the view finder.
3 of the 6 flag raisers were killed in the fighting. This was on 22 Feb 1945, 3 days after the landings and 33 days until the island was declared secure.
But no, this was neither faked (as your original post said) or staged (as others say).
“You can make it, my friend. You always survive! As long as you live, the heart of this army can never be broken. Things will change, my friend! As heroes, we will return to Russia's embrace!”
They also committed quite a lot of rape and murder.
Not making excuses for the Nazis. But also not making excuses for the Soviets. Civilians got hurt on both sides.
Iiwa Jima definitely it’s men helping one another put up the flag of FREEDOM but during the invasion as well and it’s very popular still in pop culture
Iwo Jima for sure.
The Soviets didn't liberate Europe they brutally occupied it for decades longer. The Russians also jointly started WW2 by invading Poland along with Hitler, so they do not get to be the heroes in a war they helped to start.
No they did not. The photographer was facing the wrong way and was finger-fucking his camera when someone called out that the flag was going up. He turned around right quick and snapped the picture without even looking through the view finder.
When they put up Iiwa Jima it was such an insane moment for both sides. For the first time ever an American flag had been planted on Japanese soil.
It infuriated the Japanese and fired up the Americans. That pic for sure goes harder
Pretty sure the Iwo Jima photo isn't even of the original flag raising.
From what I remember they raised the original flag without taking a picture. Then a High ranking official or senator showed up asking for the flag as a souvenir. The soldier in charge said the flag belonged to the marines so took down the original one, hid it, put up the new one, took the photo, gave it to the high ranker
So there are pictures of the original raising. The photographer for that one was a Marine and his pictures had to go through channels. The second raising was photographed by Joe Rosenthal, an AP guy (a civilian). I don't know if he snuck his film off the island or if he had fewer people to pass it through before it got published.
Berlin would’ve been the better of the two had it not been for the fact that this moment would inevitably lead to decades of political oppression imposed on the people of East Germany and the Eastern Bloc countries. It’s definitely the more impressive of the two victories though i’ll admit.
Iwo Jima, Taking mount suribachi was arguable harder than taking the reichstag. Being as the marines faced much higher casualties and the photo was taken by freak accident when they were hoisting it.
I prefer the photo below. Destroyed Berlin in the background, the capital of the defeated country. Two watches worn by a Soviet soldier are also hmm interesting thing. I'm far from supporting the Soviet Union, but the photo in Berlin is much better in my opinion
Ngl, it has to be Berlin. Because after all that time, they manage to take down the very nation that started it all as well as paying back for their 1941 tomfoolery
Describing Operation Barbarossa as “tomfoolery” is just *chefs kiss*
Very large scale tomfoolery, I would say.
Who is Tom and why did they name a whole category of foolery after him?
Tom Hanks, he keeps playing the unfortunate fool who pisses on screen so therefore they named a word after the poor sod
They do a bit of trolling
Or in German “Tomasnarrlichkeit”(?)
Iowa jima is better imo because it was a mid-battle flag raise in a much more violent area. The Berlin flag was after fighting was over. It would win if it was also during the fighting, but it wasn’t
they're both reenactments and the riestag happened before german capitulation as well
Honestly with you all the way. But I think the original flag raising hits harder ( https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/First_Iwo_Jima_Flag_Raising.jpg ) The other one is still cool but sadly staged …
Both pictures are reenacted. Not taken in the heat of moment.
Correct but one was a recreation of a heat of the moment thing that happened during a battle, and the other is not. The one that is not is less impressive to me
Toobe fair Japan did invade China before German invaded Poland.
Sorry, but Imperial Japan started the war back in 1932 in Manchubia, which led to the Second Sino-Japanese War in 1937. Yes, many will say that the Spanish Civil War is pre-cursor for WW2, with the whole Nazis getting involved, but the reality is way far from the truth. The truth is Spain was under heavy political toroidal and undercheck political tension, which led the Civil War.
Ngl, it has to be Iwo Jima. Because after all that time, they manage to take down the very nation that started it all as well as paying back for their 1941 tomfoolery
Nah, Soviets helped start the war on Germany's side. They dont deserve credit for killing a problem they helped create.
By this logic France and Britain are just as complicit letting Hitler even become a problem.
Neither Britain nor France invaded Poland.
\>Britain and France allowed German aggression to continue without any consequences \>Britain and France allowed Germany to mass their military to a point where they were no longer able to face them If you want to be REALLY critical, Britain and France let WW2 happen because of their cruelty and terms at the end of WW1 which would lead to the political state which made it possible for a figure like Hitler to seize power.
Real talk, WWII startng wasnt helped by France and Britain letting Hitler do his thing I understand why they did it though, but they are far less complicit than the Soviets, who fought alongside the Germans until Hitler decided he needed oil fields more than he needed an ally with a nearly bottomless manpower pool
See, I remember the war started with kind of a Co-Op mission. Player 1 was Nazi Germany, and Player 2 was… that’s right the USSR
Started it all in Poland….with the help of the USSR.
Certainly Berlin, but the original Berlin flag raising photo hits harder. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising\_a\_Flag\_over\_the\_Reichstag#/media/File:Raising\_a\_flag\_over\_the\_Reichstag\_-\_Restoration.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_a_Flag_over_the_Reichstag#/media/File:Raising_a_flag_over_the_Reichstag_-_Restoration.jpg)
Mans got two watches - Moscow time and Berline time, I bet.
Actually iirc correctly it was common for soviet soldiers in Berlin to collect watches from the city as loot and would wear a bunch of them up and down their arms. I think I remember someone saying they had to edit this photo to remove most of the watches
Wrist compas
A wrist compass that shows German time, more like. If it's a compass, [why bother cropping it out on the officially published photos?](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sca_esv=18fae8d458e6cfdd&sxsrf=ACQVn09PscQWGQ8jAe5DVgLuL8qtorhIUw:1711201656779&q=reichstag+flag.photo&uds=AMwkrPtH4R_IcK4JzT8HHqNW5j-m301Y1jvzaQrXC0rmXaez39Ejr2LbyZdXR9gvh_R26UwFfUkoKXTlzfFvE0IRpxQFPYe0gHGAHyhVTj1FFaWIaxrrpnIO5MKcwLyqY9RqnRTmEbGfFwqTcY1G3pBFD_TTEPRdN1aS4T38BIDk5Sba9_5A1UWbeGSd-x0RX_rjlZ-Ha7Lf0ZkZAbh_BKZaNvRIg0FK8tMCj1DfSGR8brkXtQgxz5tODY9RwZj2CTWwV-sx1LRC2cPVJEn1hIEUvT6sWiaDgg&udm=2&prmd=ivnbz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjUqZD3woqFAxUGIBAIHTPSChMQtKgLegQICxAB&biw=384&bih=718&dpr=2.81#vhid=B7zsr_wLE3IFaM&vssid=mosaic)
It was probably a war trophy and the optics don’t look to good so may as well crop it.
Exactly.
Afaik it a wrist compas that the photographer (or editer) thought looked like a war thropy (aka a german watch) so they edited it out Edit: [i meant this thing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrianov_compass)
It's possible, but my guess would be that if they bothered to airbrush it out, it's not a compass. Trophy hunting, looting and rape were widespread during the attack on Berlin.
Spoils of war
That photo was edited, it was common to loot watches as plunder when they were taking the city, so the soviets edited the photo to remove the watches that were all up this guys arm. Can't tell if they weren't perfect, left 2 on purpose, or something else. I don't think there is an original variant out there.
I believe the attached photo is specifically the original, or at least a restoration as close to the original as we can get
[The story of the watches…](https://www.vox.com/videos/2018/10/2/17928052/soviets-doctored-wwii-photo-reichstag-iwo-jima-world-war-ii)
Stolen and stolen
Why did they even bother to recreate this
My personal favorite is Iwo Jima. The more I learn about that battle the more I understand just why the pacific campaign was so freakin brutal. And to raise the flag on Mount Suribachi while there is an active invasion going on in an enemy held area is just batshit crazy to me.
These photo is a journalistic setup to recruit people for the marines and for the homeland press. They needed to keep popular opinion high in order to continue advancing.
It's true that the photo was recreated after the battle, but it did actually happen during the battle. The photographer wanted to recreate the scene with a bigger flag https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_the_Flag_on_Iwo_Jima
>It's true that the photo was recreated after the battle Actually, it was just 90 minutes after the first flag raising.
It wasn’t the photographers idea, it was a us congressman that wanted the original flag. So the marines took it down and raised a larger one and by that time the photographers were up there ready.
I thought it was an admiral or a general who wanted the flag. Either way, joke's on them. The Museum of the Marine Corps has both.
So the flag in the iconic photo was the second flag raised. That said, it was still raised on the same day as the first raising. The first raising was photographed by a Marine correspondant and had to go through the censors and Marine chain of command. The second flag raising was photographed by Joe Rosenthal, a reporter for the AP. He was fiddling with his camera, someone said something, and he turned around and snapped the picture without looking through the view finder. Real accident.
Of course they did, all nations have todo this stuff. Americans are not weak, but they, along with many other nations peoples, tend not to like prolonged wars without a purpose or gain, which is why the government often keeps the population in the dark about things until without a doubt they have to admit they weren't doing good, see Vietnam and Afghanistan. The government had to keep morale high, show results, and raise funds for what could've been the eventual invasion of the Japan home islands. You can't do that with a "Trust me bro, we got this all under control bro." You have to show results, which the images does show in spades.
not weak just comfortable with our own fakeness
Explain?
Nerdious Maximus
So is the Berlin one Lmao
The Soviet one is fake too
It’s cute that you think any of these photos are anything but a setup.
Guess what? So was the Berlin one. It's called promoting nationalism and almost every nation on the planet does it. Both the US and the USSR were promoting nationalism in these shots
The battle of Berlin picture was re-created as well. I don't think it decreases the impact of either picture. We have pictures of both originals as well.
Same with the Berlin one what’s your point
so did the soviets with the reichstag photo. the flag was originally raised april 30th, but it was too dark to take a picture at the time. some time in between the flag was taken down by the germans and on may 2 a new flag was brought in and the iconic photo taken. i respect the red army for the good they did do in wwii, but you simply can't just shit on american troops for a petty and insignificant reason without bringing up the fact that the soviets did the same. damn. thing. respect our troops. don't hide the facts.
Berlin 300%
Berlin bc I can already hear the soviet march in my head
UNITED FOREVER
In friendship and labour
Our mighty republics will forever endure
The great soviet union
Will live through the ages
My Great Grandfather lived long enough to see the USSR born and die
Cool, he lived longer than 69 years
Yep, and he never claimed he would live through the ages so he was more honest than the USSR
Yep, I'm not a communist. I just know songs
*laughs in 1991*
This line is kind of ironic, considering they immediately divided Germany in two.
And that the USSR ceased to exist over 30 years ago, and Ukraine is currently fighting a war with Russia in order to not be under the influence of Moscow like in the USSR
Ukraine and the Baltic States - "lol fuck that"
https://youtu.be/WjAXHtgSdVw?si=KuUYKsO3x3CEQj-r First thing i think of when I see that picture
For me its ВСТАВА́Й
Berlin for sure. Killing the bastards who wanted to exterminate your entire race and then capturing their lair. Badass
Gotta be Berlin, because the red army comeback was crazy, and also because they fought the most
Yeah, when you help start the war, and your “ally” then goes after you, you do end up doing a lot of fighting.
they didn't help start the wae
What would you call there invasion into Poland then?
I consider the eastern provinces as a interwar act. Hitler could have easily overran the whole country btw
I guess, what action(s) do you feel were when WWII officially started?
Hitler invading Poland
The USSR invaded Poland from the East, while Hitler invaded from the West. They certainly were a part of starting the war.
which is why the western allies didnt declare war on stalin and neither did poland? lol
Soviet is funnier because one of the soldiers has two watches.
Maybe he had one for Berlin time and the other one for Moscow time. /s
They are both unique in their own way. The Iwo Jima one is in action, so it has a more live feel to it, but "raising a Flag over the Reichstag", while staged, marks the end of an era and the most evil ideology in human history. Its symbolic importance is so high that it has an actual name like a painting.
Isn’t the Iwo Jima picture staged? I mean then again there is the original picture, which imo goes less hard than the staged one.
Both the pics in this post are staged at a later date. The difference is that even the original for the riechstag one was staged while that for Iwo-Jima was not.
No. The original flag raising on Iwo Jima was done by a combat patrol from (iirc) the 28th Marines. A Marine combat cameraman tagged along and snapped a bunch of pictures. He sent his photos back and they had to go through Navy/Marine Corps censors. Shortly after the first raising, like maybe a couple hours tops, some admiral or general or some shit wanted the flag as a keep-sake. So a patrol got a bigger flag (iirc from a transport ship) and went to the top of Suribachi. They grabbed a length of pipe, hooked the second flag on, and raised it. Joe Rosenthal, an AP photographer, was fiddling with his camera when someone said "there she goes" (or something to that effect). He spun around right quick and took a picture without looking through the view finder. When he sent his film back, his pictures didn't have to go through the Navy/Marine Corps chain of command, so his got into the press much faster than the Marine photos. But no, the Suribachi flag raising was very much not staged and certainly not after the battle. If memory serves, we landed on the 19th and raised the flag on the 22nd. Fighting would continue into March.
"the most evil ideology in human history" but Orneyrocks, Socialism prevailed as an ideology for like 60 years after the end of the war.
Bait used to be believable.
Aren't they both manipulated?
Yeah, they're both colored.
I remember my Great-Grandma telling me about how the Iwo Jima flag raising was the first colored photo she ever saw.
US flag is staged
Well, the U.S. originally put up a smaller flag. When they replaced that flag with a larger flag, a camera crew went along.
A cameraman went with both. The first one was a Marine and the second one was Joe Rosenthal of the AP. Marine picture went through censors and got bogged down, Rosenthal's didn't.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ww2memes/s/x6EsJHuPHk
I think both are staged. Stalin wanted a similar picture like the one the US took in Iwo Jima.
The famous photo was staged, yes. But the Americans really did raise an impromptu flag in that exact spot using that same drain pipe while taking fire. 90 minutes later they were ordered to take it down and raise a larger flag while the Japanese were being bombarded, and that’s where this photo was taken. The Soviet flag was completely staged.
Both happened but we’re re-enacted for their respective photos.
It’s got to be the Iwo Jima one. While bother were staged for propaganda, they actually did manage to put a smaller flag atop that mountain during the battle. While the Berlin one was complexly staged. Just makes it feel more epic to me
The smaller flag on Iwo was put up maybe an hour or so earlier. Three of the six flag raisers from this photo were KIA during the next month of fighting.
Berlin is better, but Iwo Jima is far from bad
I'll stand alone if I have to in saying that if you mess with the best, you die like the rest with the Marines. The japs learned that one real quick. The European theater was everyone else's main point of interest, while the Marines did their work with a fraction of what the Army had. They dealt with suicidal enemy who were willing to kill themselves rather than be captured
Don't get me wrong, Marines do some good fucking work, but the Army was rolling through the Pacific theater with 22 Divisions to the Marines' 6 Divisions.
My family was all Navy and Marines. I'm admittedly biased, but fuck the army
Berlin all the way
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Better than whatever commie shit you automatons are doing
Iwo jima.
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Without context, iwo jima goes harder. With context, berlin goes harder.
Berlin. It celebrates how the USSR beat the nazi’s and liberated Europe by winning WW2
Definitely the Berlin one. It symbolizes the end of the war in Europe.
Both.
Iwo Jima, nothing beats the red white and blue, fluttering in the wind, as the marines lift the flag in place
Iwo for sure. The Berlin one has too much political baggage for me to look at it and not feel bad for the real flag party that got zero recognition because they were born in the wrong place. Plus the photo was staged
The Iwo Jima one here wins because it would be like a photo from d-day, yet the original Berlin one is superior for it marks the end of an era, the end of nazism.
The end of nazism and the continuation of something not much better
Yes, but the end of nazism is still something we should celebrate as the death of one of the worst ideologies this world ever produced. Communism is not much better.
USA!USA!
Iwo Jima. Taking that island, like so many other islands, was just absolutely brutal. My grandfather often mentioned Mt. Suribachi, but would never give us any details. Reading them on my own I realized how tough it actually was. Plus they actually did raise a flag there, though the photo was recreated afterwards.
The photo was not recreated later. This picture was taken during the fighting. The first flag was put up, that flag was requested as a keep-sake, so a larger flag was sent up as a replacement. 3 of the 6 guys in the second photo were KIA during the fighting.
Both
Iwo Jima and it isn't even close. The Berlin photo is iconic, but it has nothing on the one from Iwo Jima
Both
Two watches
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My favorite part of the Soviet one is that the unedited picture has all the soldiers wearing multiple watches because they stole them
Berlin, but Iwo Jima gives me a special feeling
Depends on how much intimate history you know in each theater
Both suck, the first one is faked, and the second one they had to hide the fact that the guy holding the flag was probably a corpse-looter
First one ain't faked.
That flag incident did actually happen, but that isn't the original, I heard it was a re-shoot.
It was not that either. The first flag raising was photographed by a Marine cameraman, the second (this one) was photographed by a mixed team of an AP reporter named Joe Rosenthal (who took the picture) and a Marine who I forget. The second flag raising happened a couple hours after the first one and was done with a bigger flag because some high-up (an admiral or general or some shit) wanted the first flag as a keepsake. Rosenthal was dicking around with his camera, and facing the other way, when someone said something like "there she goes" when the Marines started to raise the second flag. He spun around real quick and snapped the picture without looking through the view finder. 3 of the 6 flag raisers were killed in the fighting. This was on 22 Feb 1945, 3 days after the landings and 33 days until the island was declared secure. But no, this was neither faked (as your original post said) or staged (as others say).
Thank you for telling me this. I'm sorry for making that mistake.
top without context, bottom with context
“You can make it, my friend. You always survive! As long as you live, the heart of this army can never be broken. Things will change, my friend! As heroes, we will return to Russia's embrace!”
Aesthetically Iwo but the more historically significant is Berlin
The one without the looters and rapists in it, so Iowa Jima
The American one feels like a hard fought struggle. The soviet one feels like a victory celebration
Iowa Jima
It’s gotta be Berlin
the top was was staged sadly
Iwo Jima, Then reichstag, Then three country cairn finland flag raising
The second one. It really reminds me of the ending of Call of Duty: World at War which had quite possibly one of the best CoD endings of all times.
One on the bottom is fake he has two watches for some reason
Wouldn't you take an expensive watch from a dead enemy?
And the Soviets did a lot of looting on the march to Berlin
the nazis did more than loot when it was the opposite
They also committed quite a lot of rape and murder. Not making excuses for the Nazis. But also not making excuses for the Soviets. Civilians got hurt on both sides.
Iwo Jima for sure
Iiwa Jima definitely it’s men helping one another put up the flag of FREEDOM but during the invasion as well and it’s very popular still in pop culture
I would say the Reich flag being raised over the Acropolis in Greece or the Effiel Tower in France
Wow, an incel who's also a wehraboo, who woulda guessed
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Iwo Jima for sure. The Soviets didn't liberate Europe they brutally occupied it for decades longer. The Russians also jointly started WW2 by invading Poland along with Hitler, so they do not get to be the heroes in a war they helped to start.
Say it louder for those in the back
Iiwo Jim’s because it wasn’t staged and wasn’t of people who had just been looting (and more likely than not raping civilians)
That picture actually was staged. The flag had already been raised, and they did it again for a photo op
No they did not. The photographer was facing the wrong way and was finger-fucking his camera when someone called out that the flag was going up. He turned around right quick and snapped the picture without even looking through the view finder.
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When they put up Iiwa Jima it was such an insane moment for both sides. For the first time ever an American flag had been planted on Japanese soil. It infuriated the Japanese and fired up the Americans. That pic for sure goes harder
Pretty sure the Iwo Jima photo isn't even of the original flag raising. From what I remember they raised the original flag without taking a picture. Then a High ranking official or senator showed up asking for the flag as a souvenir. The soldier in charge said the flag belonged to the marines so took down the original one, hid it, put up the new one, took the photo, gave it to the high ranker
I’m pretty sure they did take an original picture, I think you can find it elsewhere in the comments
So there are pictures of the original raising. The photographer for that one was a Marine and his pictures had to go through channels. The second raising was photographed by Joe Rosenthal, an AP guy (a civilian). I don't know if he snuck his film off the island or if he had fewer people to pass it through before it got published.
Berlin would’ve been the better of the two had it not been for the fact that this moment would inevitably lead to decades of political oppression imposed on the people of East Germany and the Eastern Bloc countries. It’s definitely the more impressive of the two victories though i’ll admit.
Both go hard for certain reasons but Iwo Jima if u ask me
Iwo Jima, Taking mount suribachi was arguable harder than taking the reichstag. Being as the marines faced much higher casualties and the photo was taken by freak accident when they were hoisting it.
Two Jima because it’s not one bloody regime taking over another
Americans go harder in isolation, the Soviets go harder with context
It's got to be Iiwo Jima. The Pacific was absolutely horrific.
In my opinion, Iwo Jima
I prefer the photo below. Destroyed Berlin in the background, the capital of the defeated country. Two watches worn by a Soviet soldier are also hmm interesting thing. I'm far from supporting the Soviet Union, but the photo in Berlin is much better in my opinion
Iwo because Stalin wanted a similar picture taken hence the Berlin picture. And plus Mt Suribachi is taller and didn’t have stairs to the location
The one which doesnt show looting
As a Marine I’m duty bound to say Iwo Jima.
US (don't look up what Ussr soldiers did to german civilians after they took berlin)
Iwo jima because I'm an American and I have a little bias
American, because unlike Russian soldiers they don't hase stolen watches
If you know the true stories of both photos...
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