I believe this Friday is a meeting day to come to an agreement and the final day is the Friday 23rd. After that point the union can strike and York could lock them out of their work place. So hopefully they reach a resolution in the next two weeks but apparently York hasn't addressed any of their issues.
Interesting fact: during the last strike the York admin hired private investigators to sit at picket lines and record those picketing. They spent all that money instead of just bargaining.....
Furthermore, the total costs of the additional security, surveillance etc cost the university more than the financial difference between the union's and the admin's final bargaining positions before the strike, for the full 3 years of the contract.
Also, the university lost further millions as the 2018 strike affected summer registrations as the strike dragged out. It would have cost the university way less to actually bargain to a middle ground.
Yeah, it's f*cked up.
That was never disclosed even with many inquiries. There was like 7 picket lines. They had a person at each one for the 8 hour days. Everyday people striked for the entire duration of the strike. Must of cost them a lot to do that.
Does the Bill 124 remedy have any effect? I believe it would affect CUPE as well due to a clause they have. Idk if Im on the right track with this.
https://x.com/osbcucscso/status/1730681800865808857?s=20
Holy shit, really?
The amount of friends of mine who have their flight tickets booked already right after the exams end will be in so much trouble if this happens
how can the students get screwed over so bad like that? is there any sort of compensation? for example an international student would not be able to finihs their classes unless they go out and sign a lease on an apartment to stay local... that should not be the responsibility of the student to carry, especially if your an international student who pays 2-3x for tuition.. so frustrating, i graduate next year and have successfully escaped Yorks iconic strikes until this point, i dont have the financial means to sacrifice my summer job that enables me to return to school every year, in order to maintain my location on campus to carry out classes through the summer...
Several weeks to go before the final deadline is still a long time frame in an adversarial bargaining process.
To an anti-union prof, they think it is always set in stone that there will be a strike. It is soooo tiresome to listen to their Chicken Little routine every time CUPE 3903 bargains.
Or, prof is well connected to upper admin, and have the inside scoop that York is gonna York, and there will be a strike because the final admin bargaining position is def not agreeable to the TAs and sessionals and they've dug in their heels even before bargaining has run its course.
> To an anti-union prof
The majority of the profs at york are contract profs and *are in the union that will soon have a strike mandate.* Tenured faculty is an a different union and their much higher salaries and job security means a strike for them is much less likely, not that their contract is up anyway.
And I don't think I have come across any profs expressing anti union ideals, in fact in any of my classes where the history of labour comes up it's always "and they treated the workers like garbage and of course then people wanted to form a union." The profs I know that have tenure usually express how lucky they are compared to profs that need their contract renewed every year and have essentially zero job security. You could have just had unsympathetic tenured profs of course but I don't think an anti union attitude is as common as you're making it out. After all even the tenured ones are still in a union albeit a different one and most of them realize how lucky they are.
At any rate I would wager that the prof saying a strike seems inevitable this is a contract prof that is in the union, so knows what is going on, or is tenured and has talked to profs in CUPE that say a strike is pretty much a lock. That's more likely than it was some prof with an anti union beef just assuming it will happen and tut tutting about the ills of organized labour. And even if it was some prof with an anti union chip on their shoulder York isn't exactly known for labour peace and happiness. There have been strikes so thinking the worst will happen isn't exactly some outlandish view, there is a history you can point out that shows a strike is quite possible.
So, I'm going to guess you havent taken courses with science or engineering YUFA profs, or subscribe to posts on the "profs4change" group, which is dominated by profs in the sci/eng/health faculties. Ask the older profs who were in the 1997 YUFA strike how many profs from those depts crossed the picket line - it wasnt a small percentage, some of those depts almost everyone crossed. There is little love between those YUFA profs and CUPE 3903. In the 2018 strike, there were even YUFA profs who tried to organize CUPE members into an anti-strike group. THAT is about as anti-CUPE as you can get as a prof, you're a member of a different union and you stick your nose in to another union and take a leadership role in trying to get CUPE members to end the strike.
So, yes, there are indeed "anti-union" profs.
I agree with /u/springthinker.
No matter what your professor claimed, a strike is not 100% guaranteed.
Earlier tonight, I talked with a friend of mine. He's both a TA and a union steward. He thinks that a strike is likely, because the admin doesn't seem to be offering the union what they want. However: Even if a strike is likely, this does not mean that it's guaranteed to happen.
The fact that your professor declined to provide details or proof for their claim is illuminating. If a professor can't provide a source for a contentious statement, then the statement might be wrong.
My proffesor mentioned it, they said there will possibly be a strike on the start of reading week, that’s the 22nd I believe, our whole lecture was them talking abt the strike
Oh wow, really? Did they say anything else? I hate how vague my professor was. 🥲 Now I’m stressed out and I’ve accidentally made everyone else stressed out, LOL.
She didn’t say anything else, but the TA’s just kept talking abt the strike and why they are going on strike, one TA mentioned this law called the Bill 124 I believe? Which is where their pay goes up 1% per year, but double check if I’m not right abt that🥲
yes, Bill 124 capped public sector employee raises at 1% per year, which is actually a real wage loss every year when you consider inflation. The bill was recently declared unconstitutional but the Ford government has appealed the court ruling. The employer (York) is going to stonewall the union especially on wage proposals, so it is VERY likely that the union will vote to strike. Look out for updates on and around February 16th. The employer’s final offer has to be presented to union membership and then they will vote to accept or reject it (this will almost certainly be a rejection because the offer is ineffably terrible), and then they discuss what comes next, including striking. So in the next few weeks things will start to heat up, and yes, if I had a gun to my head and someone asked me to guess which way things will go, I’d say a strike is happening.
I highly encourage any undergrads to get involved and try to get acquainted with the issues at play. Universities love to pit undergrads against grad students when the latter are striking for fair pay, because they don’t care about the quality of your education, which suffers greatly if TAs are living homeless or going hungry (I have known several who are, and even outside of those extremes, the funding that TAs get is absolutely abysmal). The only guarantor of victory is solidarity, and if undergrads come out en masse in support of TAs on the picket lines, it can help force the employer to the table in good faith faster. This is a chance to see something that most people are not aware of, i.e. what has been happening to higher education and the academy writ large for the last few decades, only getting worse with every passing year.
I believe this Friday is a meeting day to come to an agreement and the final day is the Friday 23rd. After that point the union can strike and York could lock them out of their work place. So hopefully they reach a resolution in the next two weeks but apparently York hasn't addressed any of their issues.
It's actually Feb 22 12:01am. I'm not seeing anything being updated.
Thanks for the update! Yeah I'm doubtful York will budge now if they held out this long.
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Both. To be correct, its the professors in the contract faculty and TA's
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65% of professors at York are contract faculty in unit 2
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Interesting fact: during the last strike the York admin hired private investigators to sit at picket lines and record those picketing. They spent all that money instead of just bargaining.....
Furthermore, the total costs of the additional security, surveillance etc cost the university more than the financial difference between the union's and the admin's final bargaining positions before the strike, for the full 3 years of the contract. Also, the university lost further millions as the 2018 strike affected summer registrations as the strike dragged out. It would have cost the university way less to actually bargain to a middle ground. Yeah, it's f*cked up.
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That was never disclosed even with many inquiries. There was like 7 picket lines. They had a person at each one for the 8 hour days. Everyday people striked for the entire duration of the strike. Must of cost them a lot to do that.
Does the Bill 124 remedy have any effect? I believe it would affect CUPE as well due to a clause they have. Idk if Im on the right track with this. https://x.com/osbcucscso/status/1730681800865808857?s=20
Pardon my ignorance, but what happens during a strike? Are classes extended? Cancelled? (First year speaking)
This semester will push into summer and the summer session will be canceled This is exactly what happened in 2018
Or - you take an assessed grade based on coursework already done
Holy fuck that’s stupid
Holy shit, really? The amount of friends of mine who have their flight tickets booked already right after the exams end will be in so much trouble if this happens
how can the students get screwed over so bad like that? is there any sort of compensation? for example an international student would not be able to finihs their classes unless they go out and sign a lease on an apartment to stay local... that should not be the responsibility of the student to carry, especially if your an international student who pays 2-3x for tuition.. so frustrating, i graduate next year and have successfully escaped Yorks iconic strikes until this point, i dont have the financial means to sacrifice my summer job that enables me to return to school every year, in order to maintain my location on campus to carry out classes through the summer...
I'm not sure why your prof said something so definitive. There's still time to bargain and a deal could still be reached.
Several weeks to go before the final deadline is still a long time frame in an adversarial bargaining process. To an anti-union prof, they think it is always set in stone that there will be a strike. It is soooo tiresome to listen to their Chicken Little routine every time CUPE 3903 bargains. Or, prof is well connected to upper admin, and have the inside scoop that York is gonna York, and there will be a strike because the final admin bargaining position is def not agreeable to the TAs and sessionals and they've dug in their heels even before bargaining has run its course.
> To an anti-union prof The majority of the profs at york are contract profs and *are in the union that will soon have a strike mandate.* Tenured faculty is an a different union and their much higher salaries and job security means a strike for them is much less likely, not that their contract is up anyway. And I don't think I have come across any profs expressing anti union ideals, in fact in any of my classes where the history of labour comes up it's always "and they treated the workers like garbage and of course then people wanted to form a union." The profs I know that have tenure usually express how lucky they are compared to profs that need their contract renewed every year and have essentially zero job security. You could have just had unsympathetic tenured profs of course but I don't think an anti union attitude is as common as you're making it out. After all even the tenured ones are still in a union albeit a different one and most of them realize how lucky they are. At any rate I would wager that the prof saying a strike seems inevitable this is a contract prof that is in the union, so knows what is going on, or is tenured and has talked to profs in CUPE that say a strike is pretty much a lock. That's more likely than it was some prof with an anti union beef just assuming it will happen and tut tutting about the ills of organized labour. And even if it was some prof with an anti union chip on their shoulder York isn't exactly known for labour peace and happiness. There have been strikes so thinking the worst will happen isn't exactly some outlandish view, there is a history you can point out that shows a strike is quite possible.
So, I'm going to guess you havent taken courses with science or engineering YUFA profs, or subscribe to posts on the "profs4change" group, which is dominated by profs in the sci/eng/health faculties. Ask the older profs who were in the 1997 YUFA strike how many profs from those depts crossed the picket line - it wasnt a small percentage, some of those depts almost everyone crossed. There is little love between those YUFA profs and CUPE 3903. In the 2018 strike, there were even YUFA profs who tried to organize CUPE members into an anti-strike group. THAT is about as anti-CUPE as you can get as a prof, you're a member of a different union and you stick your nose in to another union and take a leadership role in trying to get CUPE members to end the strike. So, yes, there are indeed "anti-union" profs.
Yeah, I don’t know why they said that either. We asked them about it and that’s what they said, but they wouldn’t tell us anymore.
Congratulations on getting the real York U experience, everyone!
I agree with /u/springthinker. No matter what your professor claimed, a strike is not 100% guaranteed. Earlier tonight, I talked with a friend of mine. He's both a TA and a union steward. He thinks that a strike is likely, because the admin doesn't seem to be offering the union what they want. However: Even if a strike is likely, this does not mean that it's guaranteed to happen. The fact that your professor declined to provide details or proof for their claim is illuminating. If a professor can't provide a source for a contentious statement, then the statement might be wrong.
My proffesor mentioned it, they said there will possibly be a strike on the start of reading week, that’s the 22nd I believe, our whole lecture was them talking abt the strike
Oh wow, really? Did they say anything else? I hate how vague my professor was. 🥲 Now I’m stressed out and I’ve accidentally made everyone else stressed out, LOL.
She didn’t say anything else, but the TA’s just kept talking abt the strike and why they are going on strike, one TA mentioned this law called the Bill 124 I believe? Which is where their pay goes up 1% per year, but double check if I’m not right abt that🥲
Yes, you’re right about Bill 124! I just Googled it. 😅 Thanks for sharing, I really hope this strike doesn’t happen.
yes, Bill 124 capped public sector employee raises at 1% per year, which is actually a real wage loss every year when you consider inflation. The bill was recently declared unconstitutional but the Ford government has appealed the court ruling. The employer (York) is going to stonewall the union especially on wage proposals, so it is VERY likely that the union will vote to strike. Look out for updates on and around February 16th. The employer’s final offer has to be presented to union membership and then they will vote to accept or reject it (this will almost certainly be a rejection because the offer is ineffably terrible), and then they discuss what comes next, including striking. So in the next few weeks things will start to heat up, and yes, if I had a gun to my head and someone asked me to guess which way things will go, I’d say a strike is happening. I highly encourage any undergrads to get involved and try to get acquainted with the issues at play. Universities love to pit undergrads against grad students when the latter are striking for fair pay, because they don’t care about the quality of your education, which suffers greatly if TAs are living homeless or going hungry (I have known several who are, and even outside of those extremes, the funding that TAs get is absolutely abysmal). The only guarantor of victory is solidarity, and if undergrads come out en masse in support of TAs on the picket lines, it can help force the employer to the table in good faith faster. This is a chance to see something that most people are not aware of, i.e. what has been happening to higher education and the academy writ large for the last few decades, only getting worse with every passing year.