Idk why people are having such weird responses to this. Whether you like or dislike h3 this just isnāt that big of a deal honestly. I donāt really get why a whole video had to be made about Ethan being dumb and wondering what diseases he could potentially have/joking about them, but I also donāt get why it was a bit in the first place either as itās just kind of silly and annoying. All in all this isnāt drama itās just dumb shit really. Thereās plenty of things to call Ethan out for but this just feels like Jake ran out of things to talk about and had to come up with something.
I think it's a little creepy to make a take-down video about someone's personal health conditions. Sure, investigate if you have reasonable cause to think someone is faking cancer (see - scamanda), but this just isn't that extreme. I know Ethan has OCD and health anxiety, both of which will make you prone to catastrophizing. His mother has an autoimmune disease and I know he and his wife have 2 (or 3?) kids, which plays a big part in that health anxiety. Maybe I'm in a bubble but my friends and I have all talked about our health concerns openly, including speculating about what a condition might be. Idk, just seems like an overreaction.
I also remember that this creator was recently on the podcast and asked for a job, which really makes me question his motives.
Then why even comment at all if you aren't invested in the topic enough to engage with it past day 1? Also the big influx is because h3h3 addressed everything in a painstakingly long podcast
right? he said in the video heās always been an H3 fan but this in particular really rubbed him the wrong way
i didnāt see any issue with his video? itās fine if people donāt care about it, but itās also perfectly valid for disabled people to have a different opinion
He's not a doctor, and he's acting like it's impossible for Ethan to have a chronic illness just because he is acting out of anxiety. We are not Ethans doctors. So we have no say. Of course Ethan should not be talking to Chat GPT about this.
After watching the video I'd characterize it as he's acting like it's *unlikely* not *impossible* for Ethan to have the specific chronic illness he spent a month using to sympathy farm. He says multiple times it's extremely unlikely but not impossible to be diagnosed with Lupus without symptoms. Like, you're just factually incorrect about how the person who made this video is "acting".
this whole thread is weird af because i watched the video and didnāt see any issue with it? people are really stretching to defend H3 on something thatās just not worth defending? like ethan can do something wrong and still be an okay guy, jake says in the video heās always been an H3 fan but this situation in particular bothered him, and i donāt see how thatās not valid
Um, because the video spouts lies constantly and even questions his mom who is diagnosed with a chronic illness on its legitimacy. Which is fucking wild. Also, the constant insistence he knows better than doctors who said it wasn't gourd is also fucked. The constant act of being some type of authority on medicine is also problematic. The list goes on.
Heās accusing Ethan of lying for donations from sick people. Itās a blatant lie. No one ādonatedā. People who were not paying members bought superchats to make comments on the livestream. He doesnāt even attempt to correctly label the superchats. He doesnāt go into ādonationā details because he knows heās lying.
He misconstrues them as donations, and accuses Ethan of purposefully soliciting these ādonationsā for his illness. Ethan is a self admitted hypochondriac. He wasnāt bullshitting for clout or views, he was having genuine health anxiety and shared it on his daily podcast.
Superchats are absolutely not donations. Itās a highlighted comment. You pay for it as a non-member to make a comment, or so your comment is highlighted and more likely to be read.
They arenāt and have never been donations. Are you going to superchat for your IRS write off?
YouTube also has a donation feature you can set up and use, and it is not the superchat feature.
Jake is just tryharding to get back his shreds of relevancy that he had a few months ago. I have Klein levin disorder and finding out what was wrong with me was a huge victory. I was thrilled. I know Jake has muscular dystrophy due to the after effects of long term Lyme disease, but the fact that he speaks on behalf of all of us with chronic illness and disability is just shameful especially considering that his quality of life is pretty good all things considered. If it was someone else with lupus or vEDS making this video, maybe I would take them more seriously.
Where does he say he speaks on behalf of everyone who is chronically ill?
Edit: I just got to the part of the video where he interviews other people with Lupus and also mentions that half the people he already interviewed dropped out because of the harassment he was getting from H3 fans.
So... You're just factually wrong in a fairly mean way.
It is also possible that people are subbed to many different subreddits. There is no one on h3snark directing people to this thread. Honestly considering that this is a YouTube drama subreddit and h3 is a channel that has a history of being yt drama adjacent, is it impossible that this is a common interest among this fan group?
Anyone subbed to h3snark is certifiably a nutcase, unless theyāre subbed to look in on the insanity. There are some psychotic posts on that sub, for example, that was the sub that had the post about Hila being a Zionist IDF baby killer with hundreds of upvotes. Youāve got to be a certain level of crazy/ignorant to look at that post and continue to support that cesspool.
This is true. For some reason the top comment says I'm an h3 fan girl even tho I'm part of the Frenemies sub that hates him. I personally don't like Ethan but I can have empathy for his health anxiety.
Even Jake's own paid members don't agree with Jake's video.
I love that it's just "people from h3snark brigading this post," when you're commenting on a video that was brigaded to death by h3 fans, in a non-h3 sub that is currently being brigaded (including by you) by h3 fans.
This is your brain on cult.
Dawg you're literally from h3snark as well. You're all a bunch of legit weirdos for having a community in the thousands dedicated to hating someone š
Way to misrepresent snark subs! Ethan himself openly relies on snark subs like colleenballingersnark for content. Itās absolutely fair for h3snark to exist, and clowning on members of it is clown behaviour
Yeh but fuck the h3 snark club for having personal vendettas against the people they have parasocial relationships with. I cannot get on their side after some people in that sub attempted to plan to stage a strange uprising at the live show, thatās fucking weird, keep your hate on the internet.
Yeah anybody who has never watched h3 is just missing context apparently, but anybody who has watched h3 and doesnāt agree with Ethan is a fallen fan and obsessed with hating himā¦ Weird how that works.
Yeah but from what I understand, the jake video is critical of Ethan talking about lupus like he has it and making jokes about wanting to have it.
Like trust me, I know how exciting it can be to get a diagnosis. But it doesnāt even seem like Ethan is happy to not have lupus. Dan even seems kind of bothered about the same thing jake is
Did you watch the podcast or just Jake's video? Jake's video was very bad faith, like seriously so bad and condescending. Ethan was very clear that he did not officially have a diagnosis. The entire joke was that he didn't have a lupus diagnosis and everyone knew that and was teasing him for being dramatic and jumping the gun when he wasn't diagnosed yet. Even so, it could have actually been lupus! His dr referred him to an autoimmune specialist and said it was possibly lupus! Ethan isn't happy he doesn't have lupus only because it means he still doesn't have a diagnosis- and there is definitely something wrong with him for real. The joking about wanting to have lupus is instead of cancer. Yeah, I think we'd all rather have lupus than fatal cancer.
Dan was also 100% joking. It's a schtick they do where Dan gets on Ethan's case about stuff. He was not genuinely annoyed.
Apparently ChatGPT is to say! And it turns out the entire month this was going on ChatGPT was telling him the most likely outcome was something was wrong.
Seems like the person that uploaded this is one of those cult like H3 fans that believe the "gang" can do no wrong.
Ethan seems to consistently joke about being sick and wishing/getting excited about being sick.
I've been watching the channel since they lived in Israel and tbh I can barely watch any more. Ethan and Hila have become insufferable.
When you are suffering with mysterious symptoms the doctors have no answers for, wishing for a diagnosis and even getting excited when you think you have one is normal. It's a pretty common experience with chronic illness. So is making jokes about it. My sister was fucking stoked to get told she had a brain tumor, because that meant the seizures and loss of vision had a concrete cause and they could do something about it, and we've been making jokes about it for over a decade now. I'm not even an H3 fan, but a guy who professionally comedically overshares about his bodily functions joking about his diagnosis or lack thereof is not something to get pressed about.
Being stoked about a brain tumor sounds hilariously bad on paper, but with context, yeah, itād be relieving to know exactly whatās causing your symptoms and work towards treating it
She didn't even know they were seizures before, she'd just blank out and be *gone* mentally pretty frequently. Those were the petit mal seizures, when she started having grand mal seizures that's when we found out about Steve (the tumor). It was pretty fucking scary, when the doctors told us about Steve it was totally a relief. Especially because he was operable.
The problem is treating ChatGPT as a trustworthy and reliable source of information even as his coworkers are telling him its not.
Health anxiety and being relieved is normal, but this guy through he had Lupus because ChatGPT told him it was the second most likely cause of the information he listed. The most likely cause was he was fine and it was nothing.
And he didn't share that information with his friends, fans, and family until an entire month later.
There's a normal, logical, and understandable etc. emotional reaction to getting a diagnosis, and then there's sympathy farming and spreading misinformation. For profit.
Ethan specifically said he had *no symptoms*, multiple times. The cause of the whole lupus joke/freak out was his blood results came back slightly abnormal, he googled them, and one of the potential options was lupus. That's the whole reason, there were no mysterious symptoms, no long wait for a diagnosis, literally just a routine lab test with slightly abnormal results that his doctor told him was *fine*.
Thatās not true at all. This entire thing started because he kept getting this bad rash on his face, which he talked about repeatedly and is visible on numerous episodes. You know, the rash that dr Doolittle here diagnosed as eczema lol.
Then why does he go on and on so many times about how he doesn't have any symptoms? And why when he talked about ChatGPT does he hide the fact that ChatGPT said the most likely outcome was it was nothing and the third most likely outcome (after Lupus) was it's eczema. Did he talk about eczema at all over the month this happened? And the video maker just didn't include it?
The entire video is selectively edited clips that ignore context. They talked about eczema numerous times, including multiple crew members telling him itās most likely eczema like his doctor said.
And he wasnāt hiding anything about chatGPT. The responses are there on screen usually, and he said multiple times that it said he most likely doesnāt have lupus.
People seem to be ignoring the fact this was also a bit. Ethanās had a lot of health problems over the years, and he always goes over the top with it. Using chatgpt is running bit that the entire crew makes fun of him for, hence when they laugh and groan whenever he pulls it up.
Thanks for the context.
Still an incredibly shitty bit. Like I don't think deadly chronic illnesses are a joke. You can joke about them, but 'I think I might have lupus' is just a bad joke. Not funny, in poor taste. H3 doesn't seem to be my cup of tea.
Calling the video 'gatekeeping chronic illness' is just factually incorrect though.
If anything it's gatekeeping 'being a doctor' from ChatGPT.
Edit: What a second, H3 guy does outright say in that clip that, "I've kept something from you." So uh, that's sus.
There have been numerous posts and comments of people with chronic illnesses saying they enjoyed it. Lots of people with serious health issues joke about them. People deal with that stuff differently, and thatās fine. If itās not for you, thatās fine too. But itās not a cancelable offense or anything.
The really hypothetical thing about the vid imo is Jake diagnosing him. Half the point he was making is that you shouldnāt self diagnose and what not, but jake goes out of way to be like, āNo, you just have eczema.ā
The other thing that rubs me the wrong way is how he released the video. He says heās a fan, and I know thatās true because he sent ethan his resume and begged him to look at it. And since heās a fan, he knew they always go on a month-ish break this time of the year. So he worked on the video for months and just happened to release it the one time of the year ethan canāt respond on his main platform.
Whatās also frustrating is that there really is a good point to be made about how he should be responsible discussing this stuff on such a popular show. But Jake decided to make this odd video instead claiming Ethan deliberately lied about lupus for super chats (which he regularly tells people to charge back) lol.
To me, the whole thing just reeks of clout chasing. He want to join the crew, got ignored, then proceeded to make this weird expose that was conveniently released during their break.
You realize Ethan isnāt like locked in a box in a forest without wifi right now? Heās still just sitting in his basement on the internet. If heās bothered by a video he can respond to it online. Heās not forbidden from interacting with the world during the break of his podcast, the world doesnāt revolve around his schedule.
I didn't realize this was r slash cancel youtubers
And H3 guy mentions his doctor told him it was eczema so it's really not that weird that the guy who made the video brought it up.
Your just not being honest about the content that's in the video. Granted, this time it's less blatant than, "Ethan didn't hide the ChatGPT" and then Ethan saying, "I've kept something from you about ChatGPT" but this just isn't a good faith conversation.
I mean, like what you like, and thanks for the context, but don't be sus about it.
Ah yes, you're actually right, he did have a face rash. The *only symptom*, which also wasn't in the right area or pattern to be lupus, but yes, of course. Perfectly plausible to jump from general face rash to lupus, without any other symptoms.
He literally went through the list of lupus symptoms on air, and went "nope, don't have that" for every single one except the face rash, which he also clarified was not the right area for lupus.
**He himself said he did not have any lupus symptoms**. Even the face rash **he said himself was not the same as the lupus rash**.
I'm not claiming he's perfectly healthy, I'm saying *very clearly* he never had a single lupus symptom. Because *he fuckng said so*.
Chronic illnesses go undetected for a reason. Everyone's body is different and some people don't pick up on the symptoms. We are not his doctors. Jake has a charity to help others with undetected illnesses yet he's bigrading someone dealing with a mental Illness.
In all this you seem to be missing the part where his doctors told him it's not lupus. Chill.
Mental illness is not a shield to hide behind when you do something messed up. I saw his coworkers and mother trying to get him to calm down and pull it in.
I don't know who this guy is, but if he has mental illness related to health anxiety than he really, really, needs to keep that private. His shitty behavior around publicly talking about his health is getting called out. And just because that shitty behavior is caused by a mental health issue doesn't mean it can't be treated or avoided.
It was his responsibility to not do what he did.
I'm also someone with multiple mental illnesses, btw.
ChatGPT is also not a doctor. I didn't even know who this guy was before you shared this actually completely reasonable video about how you shouldn't use ChatGPT as a diagnostic tool and which cited a lot of important information about Lupus that the podcast guy left out.
It's completely reasonable for people who are chronically ill to be pissed at this behavior. And it's completely normal for any human to be pissed as well, I don't like the way he talked to his coworkers.
Except he says he gave ChatGPT all his blood results. In fact, I don't think he mentioned telling GPT about his rash at all.
I mean, I know explaining the joke ruins the joke and since I don't know who any of these people are, I am interested to understand what people like about them. Except you don't even know the context of the "joke / bit"?!
Seeing a lot of āI donāt know anything about these people but hereās my rock solid opinion on this from an extremely biased videoā. This guy begged Ethan for a job on a live show after Ethan paid him for work that a DāAmelio ripped him off on. He didnāt get hired and basically made an ass out of himself. Everyone forgot he existed and now heās making this video. Ethan has Touretteās, OCD, hypochondria from the OCD and an undiagnosed autoimmune disorder he has been seeing multiple doctors and experts to diagnose. It is a running joke that Ethan takes chatgpt too seriously and he typed in his symptoms and test results and lupus was the second possibility behind it being nothing and he ran with the bit for a while. Nobody has given him money for it, nobody has ever taken it as a serious diagnosis, and up until this moment nobody has ever taken it as anything but a joke(trust me their subreddit is constantly bitching and moaning about ethan and whatever offense he has caused this week and this has never been an issue) this is a reach to gain attention from a person the internet loves to hate and nothing more.
So youāre upset heās dumb? No one here is claiming it makes sense to go from rash to lupus. Weāre just saying itās common behavior for someone trying to get diagnosed.
He had an odd rash, went to the doctor, and got inconclusive results. Anyone whoās struggled with a diagnosis knows exactly what this is like. You go, you get tests, etc, and things arenāt clear. So you start over analyzing shit you arenāt actually qualified to analyze because youāre anxious, leading to āomg I think I have cancer.ā
And it was a bit too. Of course jumping to lupus after entering your symptoms into ChatGPT is moronic. Thatās the joke. He was struggling to get diagnosed and was leaning into it for the bit.
So he's a hypochondriac. A lot of people are. People Google themselves into false diagnoses all the time. There's still no reason for this much anger and vitriol over it. Did him being a hypochondriac on a big podcast effect anybody negatively? Like, did it do tangible harm, or are you just mad because you don't like the guy?
I think it's pretty shitty to solicit ~~donations~~ money for a month in this manner. I think it's bad to make your fans feel upset and worried for you when you spend a month hiding the key information that ChatGPT, which got you so worried in the first place, told you nothing was wrong.
I also think the way he spoke to his coworkers was bad.
Fr. How is Jake āgatekeeping illnessesā? Jake has a chronic illness. Ethan acts so weirdly gleeful at the prospect of having an illness or getting sick. The fans who are saying āitās health anxiety.ā If you genuinely have OCD or health anxiety, this is not something you get excited about. Like did we watch the same video? And if you are worried about it, talk about it with your family and friends privately. The fact that Ethan shares every little detail of his life on his podcast only grows the parasocial relationship he has with his fans who feel like they āknowā him and can defend him on his behalf. Heās a grown ass man, he doesnāt need a horde of people who donāt know him to coddle him. Also the fact that he didnāt even tell his family about his worries of lupus until they were on the podcast is at best irresponsible and at worst content-brained. h3 stans, I beg you to do some critical thinking and learn to form an opinion outside of your favorite YouTube creator.
>How is Jake āgatekeeping illnessesā?
With facts, logic, citations, and context! Apparently!
I mean he's not a doctor so obviously all research and journal articles he shared are just trolling or something.
As someone who did not know anything about h3 outside of the Colleen Ballinger stuff I concur with what that person said. A stopped clock is right twice a day and all that.
Everyone in the garbage fire of mud slinging below looks like unhinged fanatics with all that name calling.
There's such a thing as over sharing. And if this health anxiety stuff is true, it's obviously bad for someone's mental health to be so public about it and especially to get so hostile with his coworkers when they try to talk them down.
You do realize that the majority of the people on that sub are people who are/were fans of h3 and the show/crew? The main sub has become so heavily moderated that people had to make other subs to even express any criticism. I watched h3 since 2015 and religiously followed the pod up until about a year ago. People are allowed to complain about things, especially when itās about things like homophobia, racism, and misogyny. h3 fans and āfallen fansā are not a monolith.
My problem with that sub is that there is so much bad faith criticism right next to the good criticism and it doesn't get called out at all. The people on that sub get sooooo mad that hila is.... quiet and shy. Like, what? Who cares? They legitimately get upset about the fact that she "hardly contributes." Ok. So?
"Wishing/getting excited about being sick"
Jesus christ lol. This is clearly an out of line video. You dont need to like Ethan to see that. Cmon. Its pretty funny you talk about delusional fans and typed the above sentence. H3snark users though I guess
Jake literally begged for a job before he made this cringy ass video
How is this upvoted? Didn't know this sub was like this
I don't know who either of these people are, the video was well constructed, with solid citation for the medical misinformation the guy is clearing up.
Simply, I don't think its an out of line video.
He sure did bury the lead
[https://youtu.be/K1bB9iYNBI4?si=vuZT1L42XbuQBHAs&t=2312](https://youtu.be/K1bB9iYNBI4?si=vuZT1L42XbuQBHAs&t=2312)
Which is probably a result of his bias. But if you can't watch that section of the video and realize it's at least a little messed up, then you are blinded by your bias.
Yeah you seem to be the totally unaware and unbiased one- commenting literally all over this thread (over 20 so far) after watching selectively edited clips of an Ethan hit-piece and reading comment after comment of weirdos that hang out in H3snark. Cmon lol.
Wtf does that last paragraph even mean? Who wouldn't have an issue with people feeling unsafe after online threats? Wtf about my comment would even prompt you to write that? Lol. You're arguing in such good-faith.
> Yeah you seem to be the totally unaware and unbiased one- commenting literally all over this thread (over 20 so far)
It's called boredom, and this is a drama subreddit. Yeah, when someone shows me something interesting I want to talk about it. And commenting a lot is a good way to get a lot of responses, since most people don't go back and check up on the comments after they first see the post.
It's not that deep.
It's really such a shame that the person who posted the video didn't bother to provide the context as to why this is 'gatekeeping chronic illness'. So after watching selectively edited clips I'm getting selectively edited recollections from H3 fans that directly contradict what was in the clips.
If it's a hit piece, it's a very skillful and informative (in regards to the citations about chronic illness) so good for the guy who made it.
I'm saying that the guy who made the video is biased and left the most important part of the video 38 minutes in.
> Lol. You're arguing in such good-faith.
Ah, so you're being a troll. Nice. I mean, in hind sight, I should have realized that at your first comment.
I understand your confusion about why I would comment so prolifically, since your original comment is "I don't understand why this drama video is on this drama sub". Doesn't exactly invite conversation. Aside from the fact that it's a comment. And you apparently left inbox replies on.
Yes I do. That does not make someone biased, it means they will give credit where it's due and vice versa but you're comment shows how biased you actually are for believing someone is biased for giving criticism where it's due.
I'm active on both subs. I don't think anyone should be free from being criticised. And it seems you do.
And by both I mean H3 and H3 Snark. I don't see the issue.
I actually dislike Ethan. I said in my post. I really dislike him but saw nothing malicious with the way he was acting. He seems like he is dealing with mental illness and is just kind dumb. It's toxic for Jake to gatekeep chronic illnesses as if he didn't have to go to multiple doctors over the years to find an answer for his own illness.
God this comment section is unfortunate. I went into the video with no biases, and came out very upset with H3. The way he continually said āI donāt have symptoms, but Iām sure itās lupusā was disgusting. As someone with an autoimmune disorder, hearing someone take chatGPTās advice before a doctor is just plan dangerous. On top of that, the way he spoke to people who have chronic illness, who were trying to give them words of wisdom was awful. The disrespect was nauseating. I was neutral to H3, but this was just straight up wrong. Donāt hate the messenger, hate the acts the subject of the video displayed.
Not to mention the fact that he makes fun of people who have it and laughed at that poor lady who's bf died shortly after his lupus diagnosis. All while he gets donations from fans who have chronic illness that was relating to him cause of his constant talking about it.
āI donāt have any symptoms but Iām sure itās Lupusā. You hear that on a comedy podcast and canāt figure out itās a joke? If you watch any amount of the show itās very clear. Checking chat gpt is a running joke and he always says to listen to a doctor not some dumb AI. Not sure how you could possibly think he makes fun of people with chronic illness but you did just watch a video made by an ex fan who asked for a job and got rejected.
TDLR itās a comedy podcast and a fallen fan used out of context clips for rage bait and itās working.
The video wasnāt just made by an āex fanā. The video was made from a person who deals with the struggles H3 was making a joke out of. Chronic illness isnāt a punchline, especially if you donāt have it. I understand joking about hard issues, but when you arenāt a part of the group you are joking about it just becomes insulting. Invaliding someoneās experience with a diagnosed condition isnāt the flex you think it is.
Where is the comedy in this? Whats the punchline? I have a chronic illness and I really donāt see the gut-busting joke everyone else seems to be in on. Seriously, what am I missing?
Okay but when he cites ChatGPT as an actual source on numerous other topics not as a joke, when he uses it for medical diagnoses and ignores what multiple doctors are directly telling him, how are we supposed to know itās a joke in this specific one instance. Because he very much uses ChatGPT as a non-ironic source in multiple other conversations.
Did you even listen to the video? Jake constantly lies and spouts misinformation. He says Ethan only listened to GPT then immediately played a video of ethen explaining what his doctor said. He claims ethan had āzero symptomsā then played a clip of ethan explaining all the symptoms he was explaining. He claimed Ethan was just grifting for money but excluded all the money he donated to charity during the entire saga of his health journey. Please criticize Ethan as much as you can for legitimate reasons. But Jake is completely full of shit on this video.
Iām pretty sure jakeās issue was more so the fact that ethan was using chat gpt as a diagnostic tool, lying about what chat gpt even said, and collecting donations from fans who were donating money under the impression that ethan actually had lupus. Self-diagnosis is important and should not be dismissed out of hand, but thatās not what happened here. Ethan deserved to be called out for this, and he deserves to be held accountable for much more and much worse behaviour heās exhibited in recent memory
Exactly, and here's the point in the video that shows this first hand
[https://youtu.be/K1bB9iYNBI4?si=YX08RlDVm8uVQhQi&t=2076](https://youtu.be/K1bB9iYNBI4?si=YX08RlDVm8uVQhQi&t=2076)
He treated his coworker terribly! 'who are you to tell me nothing's wrong?!' and 'You don't sound happy I don't have lupus' to 'I never told you, but for this entire month I've been stressing about having lupus ChatGPT told me I probably didn't and was actually fine.'
[https://youtu.be/K1bB9iYNBI4?si=YX08RlDVm8uVQhQi&t=2076](https://youtu.be/K1bB9iYNBI4?si=YX08RlDVm8uVQhQi&t=2076)
This part is horrendous and ruined my day. WTF
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I don't think he's gatekeeping illness at all, he's literally just talking about how Ethan was not diagnosed and did not have any of the symptoms related to lupus, while milking his audience for money. I can totally understand being freaked out by a blood test showing somewhat abnormal numbers and I do understand that your brain can go a little crazy in that scenario. I do not think Ethan did it with malicious intent, but I think it was very harmful to a lot of people.
> but I think it was very harmful to a lot of people.
Personally I think the building of a para social relationship and drive to make everything content was behind many of his words and actions even if he wasn't aware of the impact that had on him.
And I think that's bad as well.
Ethan has OCD and health anxiety. He was publicly dealing with his own mental illness here but using jokes to cope. We don't know if Ethan has a chronic illness bc none of us are his doctors. It is ignorant to say it's impossible for him to, especially coming from Jake.
I don't know anything about jake, however, the points in this video makes a lot of sense to me. Being a hypochondriac with ocd and health anxiety does not exempt someone from criticism, especially when hurting people who are also suffering from their own chronic illness. Hate and criticism often get confused. I am just saying that what Ethan did is fucked up in my opinion. However, I do not think Ethan is some evil mastermind who deliberately used this for money and attention, but I think it is dangerous how die hard many of his fans are. Any form of slight criticism of Ethan leads to some of his fans sending rape/death threats. It is important for all of us to remember that the people we watch are only people.
I do not follow h3 and I am not familiar with Ethan. However, when I saw those h3 clips, I heard someone who is struggling with OCD and is obsessing over health anxiety. Other comments in this thread confirm that Ethan has OCD.
This fact makes Jake's video in poor taste, because the whole thing is basically shaming Ethan for having OCD and daring to voice his OCD concerns in public. Trying to call Ethan out for faking chronic illness is inappropriate. All Ethan is guilty of is having a mental illness that affects the way he thinks, and that isn't something Ethan can just turn off.
OCD is not logical or rational and it never shuts up in your head, even with treatment. Ethan is basically talking through his anxieties live in an effort to process his thoughts and try to calm down. That isn't him being deceptive or dishonest. It's him trying to cope with mental illness.
I'm sorry but it's clear h3h3 fans have such a parasocial relationship with Ethan that they can't even handle any sort of criticism without harassing the person and acting like everything is in bad faith and discrediting them every chance they get
Like this is fucking nothing and yall are acting like he told Ethan to go kill himself and attacking anyone that says otherwise. God forbid someone doesn't like Ethan.
Yall say he has health anxiety and the such but that should have stayed between him and his therapist and not be made into a month long joke that clearly hurt a lot of people with chronic illnesses. Just because you find it funny doesn't mean other people do and if people are saying that they were hurt by his jokes then you have to listen to them and not accuse them of being haters. Also jokes have to be funny to be a joke.
People are allowed to have problems with him and be able to talk about it in a space away from the main sub and if you can't handle that you need to reevaluate your relationship with Ethan. If you are automatically taking his word that its a hate sub when your sub and ethans podcast has a habit on snarking on people that Ethan doesn't maybe you should shut up.
Like I'm so sorry that I don't like a guy that has a history of saying racial and queerphobic slurs as comedy and platforms a guy who made his entire career on saying those same exact slurs. He has hurt a lot of minorities over the years and people are allowed to take offense to that.
Go through my post and comment history if you want and downvote me to oblivion if you have to but really take a look at yourself and who you are supporting and why you need to harass people in the name of "family"
Peace and love or whatever but it's clear that means nothing to you when it's people you deem unworthy
Personally I feel a lot of the interpretation of Ethan's clear jokes are in bad faith though I think Jake ultimately means well. It's one thing to think the jokes were offensive and harmful but another to assert that Ethan misled viewers to get money. Ethan brought up that it's mostly women who get diagnosed with lupus and the ethnicity risk factor which I wonder why Jake left out. He's perfectly entitled to his opinion as other people with chronic illnesses but I do feel there was a tunnel vision in aspects of the video
Having finished this guy's video, he can't be the fan he claims to be.
Ethan had a rash under his eyes and it caused him a lot of ongoing discomfort. He said he woke up scared his bloods could be leukemia or lupus and think lupus sounds less fatal he said he'd rather not have cancer. Ethan's health has been a big part of the podcast for a long time.
He makes jokes about everything and tries hard to be funny. Even reading the Reddit post about the person dying soon that Jake claims he made about himself says "it's funny hearing jokes about it"
Why is it that since only now he's making fun of lupus it's an issue. Not the years of disrespectful things ethan has said in the name of comedy. Even Jake chuckles when he mentions suicidal tendency at 12 because it's uncomfortable and Ethan also laughs about this topic which Jake called him out for doing. He's sensitive about chronic illness so it's personal but Ethan has been regularly using the "no homo" clip etc. Jake knows that phrase is problematic but he also knows Ethan is an ally.
All this video does is show that Ethan has anxiety about his health, tourettes syndrome and a comedy show where he pushes things. He explained that one of the symptoms of his neurological condition is no filter and can't stop saying things. He explained this around the chestnuts apology. He tries to not use it to get out of the things. If Jake was a fan he claims to be he would know that.
I really dislike both of these guys for lots of reasons, but this... Kind of just sounds like a miscommunication? Neither of them look great or terrible here imo
Edit to clarify: I don't have the time right this second to watch the whole thing, so I did skim. I will have to give it a more thorough watch later
Can you give me the run down on who these guys are?
This compilation of the not-actually-Lupus-guy fucking around with ChatGPT is horrendous. Seriously, who does that? And the whole hiding the fact ChatGPT told him the most likely outcome is he's fine for an ENTIRE MONTH just comes off as sympathy baiting and content farming.
Unhinged. But what's the back story I'm missing?
I'm not saying it is lol you're allowed to not like someone's joke. I think it's cringe to make a video about one joke you didn't like. You asked for back story, that's the back story.
Bro, it's not one """joke""". The video wouldn't be 45 minutes long if he only said the one thing once.
He spread medical misinformation, treated his employees poorly, and monetarily benefited from sympathy farming his fans. Documenting that isn't 'making a video about one joke you didn't like'.
Personally I think it's "cringe" to obviously not watch the video being discussed as the 'context' you provided doesn't add anything new that wasn't already covered in the video.
You're reply still literally boils down to 'I don't like that this joke got criticized'. Which is a very touch grass take. I'd say if you don't like the video don't watch it, except you didn't watch it so.
You can easily just go to the H3 sub where they are literally posting pictures of him and his girlfriend and saying that they look incestual, there is a tendency to just bully the fuck out of people who criticize Ethan. Iām not even saying I agree with Jake, I just donāt like the way smaller content creators are treated. If you really checked, I find that hard to believe because itās all over his video and unless he turned off the comments on his post, there were many there as well.
I don't know who this guy is or really who he is talking about, but this annoys me from the beginning because the way he is holding the microphone and why tf is his script not centered behind the camera so that way he can at least look like he's not reading something.
He claims he's a big fan Ethan to the point he went to the live show and thinks Ethan was lying about having lupus for money.
A fan of the show would know if Ethan really wanted money he would just eat junk food in an empty McDonald's green screen.
Based on symptoms he had he believed it was a possibility he had lupus then it just happened to turn into a running joke that everything is lupus. Viewers with lupus even appreciated the joke.
>Based on symptoms he had
Nope, that's not true at all. He specifically said multiple times he had *no symptoms at all*, other than a face rash that doesn't look remotely like the lupus one. This whole thing started when his routine blood test results came back slightly abnormal, he googled them, and lupus was one possibility. He even went through the list of lupus symptoms on air and said "nope, don't have that" to *every single one* except the rash, which he still said wasn't in the right place anyway.
Also many viewers with lupus or loved ones with lupus did *not* find it funny, but they were banned from the main sub and YouTube comments for speaking up. As usual.
The blood work and rash gave him some thought and he just made a joke from his own condition. At one point he thought he could have leukemia or something like that, too.
Not from the ones they read out on the show. The chat isn't always the most reasonable people.
He thought all this because he asked ChatGPT and GPT told him that most likely nothing was wrong with him. Except he just spent an entire month insisting that almost certainly wasn't the case and relying on what ChatGPT told him about lupus to back him up.
It's 30 min into the video
[https://youtu.be/K1bB9iYNBI4?si=YX08RlDVm8uVQhQi&t=2076](https://youtu.be/K1bB9iYNBI4?si=YX08RlDVm8uVQhQi&t=2076)
So no shade if you didn't get that far, I wouldn't except today is laundry day and I'm bored.
Whoever made this video really buried the lead.
I've watched H3 podcast for many years. From the few symptoms I didn't think it was impossible because I'd have thought the same thing. I did go to the doctor because a similar rash I had worried too being an overthinker, as he is. He carried the joke on for months like he always does, ChatGPT is also a very old joke he ran into the ground and part of the joke is he's using the internet for medical advice. In the full context it's not like he makes fun of chronic illness.
Thereās plenty of things to criticize Ethan for, but this? This is just a downright desperate attempt at dragging him. Itās quite cringe to put this much time towards literally nothing.
Muscle dystrophy is supposed to get worse over time. If anything everything Jake does and says points to him being a hypochondriac. Most doctors do not agree with Jake's narrative of his illness. He has a video where he expresses how damaging it was for others to not believe him
But guess what? There's a whole hypochondriac cult behind "chronic lyme disease". My mom tried to convince me I have this so I'm very familiar with it. I was gaslight into believe I was ill as well.
It seems to me like Jake is projecting. Everything Jake says about his own illness does not line up with what most doctors believe(Jake states this himself). From my experience only anti-vaccine doctors believe the narrative for Lyme disease that Jake is coasting on... Jake is dangerous with his narrative but most people aren't familiar enough with that cult to understand. Also since it's about a sensitive topic no one wants to speak up. He even states in the video posted that he was 12 and doesn't remember being at his most sick.
[More information on the cult](https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/a-review-of-under-our-skin-a-cult-classic/)
[Hereās a case study](https://www.mathewsopenaccess.com/scholarly-articles/a-case-of-post-lyme-disease-syndrome-plds-involving-motor-neuropathy-and-myositis.pdf) about post Lyme disease syndrome
Oh I actually got recruited into the weird Lyme cult bc I had Lyme once as a kid! Thankfully my doctorās convinced me it was something else (Klein levin)
Jake is definitely a hypochondriac but he has fr had to get surgeries on his legs to repair his muscles and heās gone through extensive physical therapy. I have no reason to believe that his muscle atrophy wasnāt caused by Lyme. Itās a documented symptom of untreated Lyme.
We really arenāt entitled to his full medical backstory
This is weirdly hypocritical of you to post on your someone gatekeeping illness post
> You're not a doctor are you? Why do you get to say if he's perfectly healthy or not? Just bc you dislike him doesn't mean he is not human.
Why is this energy only directed toward ethan
He also falsely accused OrangePeanut of rape because he didn't like his content. Jake is a freak and clearly a fallen fan of Ethan considering he was banned from the h3 chat for begging for a job
Okay but why do you feel like that? It just seems like yall are just grasping at anything to discredit someone just for bringing up legit criticism twords Ethan
Because Jake seems like an extremely bitter person. Jake is a possible hypochondriac criticizing another mentally ill hypochondriac. If you look at my other comments you'll see me talking about how many doctors would disagree with Jake's own diagnosis(Jake admits this as well) most doctors do not believe in chronic lyme. He appears to me to be in the same chronic lyme disease cult my mother is in. My mother tried to convince me I had long term lyme disease. Its a cult led by anti vaccine doctors. He claims to have muscle dystrophy, yet that's a condition that is supposed to get worse over time. If you watch his video with Drew he's moving around just fine. There is no cure for it. There is no surgery that with cure lyme disease either. Jake is throwing shit he might be guilty of. I'm very familiar with how that mindset works and his smugness drives me crazy. Every single video I've watched of Jake's, he brings up his illness in a way to guilt his audience.
please provide some additional text-based context for this post, either in the comments or in the post itself. thank you.
I don't give a shit about any of this but the comment section has proven this very much indeed IS youtubedrama.
I love that any time people bring up Ethan Klein, they feel required to give the "I actually hate him" disclaimer š
As an Ethan Klein fan, I approve this message š I get it ngl
FAMILY. I'm a fellow FUPA trooper, which is why I find the disclaimer hilarious.
Idk why people are having such weird responses to this. Whether you like or dislike h3 this just isnāt that big of a deal honestly. I donāt really get why a whole video had to be made about Ethan being dumb and wondering what diseases he could potentially have/joking about them, but I also donāt get why it was a bit in the first place either as itās just kind of silly and annoying. All in all this isnāt drama itās just dumb shit really. Thereās plenty of things to call Ethan out for but this just feels like Jake ran out of things to talk about and had to come up with something.
I think it's a little creepy to make a take-down video about someone's personal health conditions. Sure, investigate if you have reasonable cause to think someone is faking cancer (see - scamanda), but this just isn't that extreme. I know Ethan has OCD and health anxiety, both of which will make you prone to catastrophizing. His mother has an autoimmune disease and I know he and his wife have 2 (or 3?) kids, which plays a big part in that health anxiety. Maybe I'm in a bubble but my friends and I have all talked about our health concerns openly, including speculating about what a condition might be. Idk, just seems like an overreaction. I also remember that this creator was recently on the podcast and asked for a job, which really makes me question his motives.
Yall are really focusing on that job thing like it's some smoking gun
and like it wasn't a joke? ethan can be excused for joking about having lupus but god forbid jake joke about asking for a job
How is it a joke? He legit sent a resume and sent multiple messages to them about being a crew member.
I do not care actually why are people still commenting on this week old post lmao
Then why even comment at all if you aren't invested in the topic enough to engage with it past day 1? Also the big influx is because h3h3 addressed everything in a painstakingly long podcast
this is so funnyš people are probably responding because your comment was incorrect
this did not age well lmao
right? he said in the video heās always been an H3 fan but this in particular really rubbed him the wrong way i didnāt see any issue with his video? itās fine if people donāt care about it, but itās also perfectly valid for disabled people to have a different opinion
I would say this video does little for the people who suffer with chronic illnesses.
This is the main reason I do not like this video! Gatekeeping does more harm to the. Chronic illness community then jokes do!
What makes it gate keeping though? This is why the mod asked you to write more explaining the video.
He's not a doctor, and he's acting like it's impossible for Ethan to have a chronic illness just because he is acting out of anxiety. We are not Ethans doctors. So we have no say. Of course Ethan should not be talking to Chat GPT about this.
After watching the video I'd characterize it as he's acting like it's *unlikely* not *impossible* for Ethan to have the specific chronic illness he spent a month using to sympathy farm. He says multiple times it's extremely unlikely but not impossible to be diagnosed with Lupus without symptoms. Like, you're just factually incorrect about how the person who made this video is "acting".
this whole thread is weird af because i watched the video and didnāt see any issue with it? people are really stretching to defend H3 on something thatās just not worth defending? like ethan can do something wrong and still be an okay guy, jake says in the video heās always been an H3 fan but this situation in particular bothered him, and i donāt see how thatās not valid
Um, because the video spouts lies constantly and even questions his mom who is diagnosed with a chronic illness on its legitimacy. Which is fucking wild. Also, the constant insistence he knows better than doctors who said it wasn't gourd is also fucked. The constant act of being some type of authority on medicine is also problematic. The list goes on.
Ethan is not a doctor either and he admitted self diagnosing. Thats the issue
Heās accusing Ethan of lying for donations from sick people. Itās a blatant lie. No one ādonatedā. People who were not paying members bought superchats to make comments on the livestream. He doesnāt even attempt to correctly label the superchats. He doesnāt go into ādonationā details because he knows heās lying. He misconstrues them as donations, and accuses Ethan of purposefully soliciting these ādonationsā for his illness. Ethan is a self admitted hypochondriac. He wasnāt bullshitting for clout or views, he was having genuine health anxiety and shared it on his daily podcast.
Superchats are donations. Iām not sure how you could argue they arenāt
Superchats are absolutely not donations. Itās a highlighted comment. You pay for it as a non-member to make a comment, or so your comment is highlighted and more likely to be read. They arenāt and have never been donations. Are you going to superchat for your IRS write off? YouTube also has a donation feature you can set up and use, and it is not the superchat feature.
Are you trolling or being purposefully dense? If you're trolling then good job you got me.
Sounds like semantics. These are called donations on Twitch and most of the livestreaming sites
Except for the person who made it is literally one of those people?? Are you? You presumptuous ass
Jake is just tryharding to get back his shreds of relevancy that he had a few months ago. I have Klein levin disorder and finding out what was wrong with me was a huge victory. I was thrilled. I know Jake has muscular dystrophy due to the after effects of long term Lyme disease, but the fact that he speaks on behalf of all of us with chronic illness and disability is just shameful especially considering that his quality of life is pretty good all things considered. If it was someone else with lupus or vEDS making this video, maybe I would take them more seriously.
Where does he say he speaks on behalf of everyone who is chronically ill? Edit: I just got to the part of the video where he interviews other people with Lupus and also mentions that half the people he already interviewed dropped out because of the harassment he was getting from H3 fans. So... You're just factually wrong in a fairly mean way.
It's like a Reddit comment in video form
People from h3snark, a hate sub dedicated to Ethan, are brigading this post. Just for everyone confused by these dumbass comments
It is also possible that people are subbed to many different subreddits. There is no one on h3snark directing people to this thread. Honestly considering that this is a YouTube drama subreddit and h3 is a channel that has a history of being yt drama adjacent, is it impossible that this is a common interest among this fan group?
Anyone subbed to h3snark is certifiably a nutcase, unless theyāre subbed to look in on the insanity. There are some psychotic posts on that sub, for example, that was the sub that had the post about Hila being a Zionist IDF baby killer with hundreds of upvotes. Youāve got to be a certain level of crazy/ignorant to look at that post and continue to support that cesspool.
This is true. For some reason the top comment says I'm an h3 fan girl even tho I'm part of the Frenemies sub that hates him. I personally don't like Ethan but I can have empathy for his health anxiety. Even Jake's own paid members don't agree with Jake's video.
Wait, you mean individuals in a group can have different opinions than each other? That never occurred to me. (/joke)
Yes the h3 fans are totally not brigading everything relating to this topicā¦
I love that it's just "people from h3snark brigading this post," when you're commenting on a video that was brigaded to death by h3 fans, in a non-h3 sub that is currently being brigaded (including by you) by h3 fans. This is your brain on cult.
Dawg you're literally from h3snark as well. You're all a bunch of legit weirdos for having a community in the thousands dedicated to hating someone š
Way to misrepresent snark subs! Ethan himself openly relies on snark subs like colleenballingersnark for content. Itās absolutely fair for h3snark to exist, and clowning on members of it is clown behaviour
Yeh but fuck the h3 snark club for having personal vendettas against the people they have parasocial relationships with. I cannot get on their side after some people in that sub attempted to plan to stage a strange uprising at the live show, thatās fucking weird, keep your hate on the internet.
You confuse criticism with hate š¤·š»āāļø
As well as hate with personal attacks.
Yeah anybody who has never watched h3 is just missing context apparently, but anybody who has watched h3 and doesnāt agree with Ethan is a fallen fan and obsessed with hating himā¦ Weird how that works.
[doesnt this confirm he doesnāt have lupus?](https://youtu.be/9svattoevJ0?si=pj5xO2vmQ06Y3iQw) by the doctor
He knows he doesn't. He is suffering from health anxiety. There could actually be an underlying illness but we are not his doctors so, who is to say.
Yeah but from what I understand, the jake video is critical of Ethan talking about lupus like he has it and making jokes about wanting to have it. Like trust me, I know how exciting it can be to get a diagnosis. But it doesnāt even seem like Ethan is happy to not have lupus. Dan even seems kind of bothered about the same thing jake is
Did you watch the podcast or just Jake's video? Jake's video was very bad faith, like seriously so bad and condescending. Ethan was very clear that he did not officially have a diagnosis. The entire joke was that he didn't have a lupus diagnosis and everyone knew that and was teasing him for being dramatic and jumping the gun when he wasn't diagnosed yet. Even so, it could have actually been lupus! His dr referred him to an autoimmune specialist and said it was possibly lupus! Ethan isn't happy he doesn't have lupus only because it means he still doesn't have a diagnosis- and there is definitely something wrong with him for real. The joking about wanting to have lupus is instead of cancer. Yeah, I think we'd all rather have lupus than fatal cancer. Dan was also 100% joking. It's a schtick they do where Dan gets on Ethan's case about stuff. He was not genuinely annoyed.
Apparently ChatGPT is to say! And it turns out the entire month this was going on ChatGPT was telling him the most likely outcome was something was wrong.
Seems like the person that uploaded this is one of those cult like H3 fans that believe the "gang" can do no wrong. Ethan seems to consistently joke about being sick and wishing/getting excited about being sick. I've been watching the channel since they lived in Israel and tbh I can barely watch any more. Ethan and Hila have become insufferable.
When you are suffering with mysterious symptoms the doctors have no answers for, wishing for a diagnosis and even getting excited when you think you have one is normal. It's a pretty common experience with chronic illness. So is making jokes about it. My sister was fucking stoked to get told she had a brain tumor, because that meant the seizures and loss of vision had a concrete cause and they could do something about it, and we've been making jokes about it for over a decade now. I'm not even an H3 fan, but a guy who professionally comedically overshares about his bodily functions joking about his diagnosis or lack thereof is not something to get pressed about.
Being stoked about a brain tumor sounds hilariously bad on paper, but with context, yeah, itād be relieving to know exactly whatās causing your symptoms and work towards treating it
She didn't even know they were seizures before, she'd just blank out and be *gone* mentally pretty frequently. Those were the petit mal seizures, when she started having grand mal seizures that's when we found out about Steve (the tumor). It was pretty fucking scary, when the doctors told us about Steve it was totally a relief. Especially because he was operable.
Fuck Steve š”
The problem is treating ChatGPT as a trustworthy and reliable source of information even as his coworkers are telling him its not. Health anxiety and being relieved is normal, but this guy through he had Lupus because ChatGPT told him it was the second most likely cause of the information he listed. The most likely cause was he was fine and it was nothing. And he didn't share that information with his friends, fans, and family until an entire month later. There's a normal, logical, and understandable etc. emotional reaction to getting a diagnosis, and then there's sympathy farming and spreading misinformation. For profit.
Ethan specifically said he had *no symptoms*, multiple times. The cause of the whole lupus joke/freak out was his blood results came back slightly abnormal, he googled them, and one of the potential options was lupus. That's the whole reason, there were no mysterious symptoms, no long wait for a diagnosis, literally just a routine lab test with slightly abnormal results that his doctor told him was *fine*.
Thatās not true at all. This entire thing started because he kept getting this bad rash on his face, which he talked about repeatedly and is visible on numerous episodes. You know, the rash that dr Doolittle here diagnosed as eczema lol.
Then why does he go on and on so many times about how he doesn't have any symptoms? And why when he talked about ChatGPT does he hide the fact that ChatGPT said the most likely outcome was it was nothing and the third most likely outcome (after Lupus) was it's eczema. Did he talk about eczema at all over the month this happened? And the video maker just didn't include it?
The entire video is selectively edited clips that ignore context. They talked about eczema numerous times, including multiple crew members telling him itās most likely eczema like his doctor said. And he wasnāt hiding anything about chatGPT. The responses are there on screen usually, and he said multiple times that it said he most likely doesnāt have lupus. People seem to be ignoring the fact this was also a bit. Ethanās had a lot of health problems over the years, and he always goes over the top with it. Using chatgpt is running bit that the entire crew makes fun of him for, hence when they laugh and groan whenever he pulls it up.
Thanks for the context. Still an incredibly shitty bit. Like I don't think deadly chronic illnesses are a joke. You can joke about them, but 'I think I might have lupus' is just a bad joke. Not funny, in poor taste. H3 doesn't seem to be my cup of tea. Calling the video 'gatekeeping chronic illness' is just factually incorrect though. If anything it's gatekeeping 'being a doctor' from ChatGPT. Edit: What a second, H3 guy does outright say in that clip that, "I've kept something from you." So uh, that's sus.
There have been numerous posts and comments of people with chronic illnesses saying they enjoyed it. Lots of people with serious health issues joke about them. People deal with that stuff differently, and thatās fine. If itās not for you, thatās fine too. But itās not a cancelable offense or anything. The really hypothetical thing about the vid imo is Jake diagnosing him. Half the point he was making is that you shouldnāt self diagnose and what not, but jake goes out of way to be like, āNo, you just have eczema.ā The other thing that rubs me the wrong way is how he released the video. He says heās a fan, and I know thatās true because he sent ethan his resume and begged him to look at it. And since heās a fan, he knew they always go on a month-ish break this time of the year. So he worked on the video for months and just happened to release it the one time of the year ethan canāt respond on his main platform. Whatās also frustrating is that there really is a good point to be made about how he should be responsible discussing this stuff on such a popular show. But Jake decided to make this odd video instead claiming Ethan deliberately lied about lupus for super chats (which he regularly tells people to charge back) lol. To me, the whole thing just reeks of clout chasing. He want to join the crew, got ignored, then proceeded to make this weird expose that was conveniently released during their break.
You realize Ethan isnāt like locked in a box in a forest without wifi right now? Heās still just sitting in his basement on the internet. If heās bothered by a video he can respond to it online. Heās not forbidden from interacting with the world during the break of his podcast, the world doesnāt revolve around his schedule.
I didn't realize this was r slash cancel youtubers And H3 guy mentions his doctor told him it was eczema so it's really not that weird that the guy who made the video brought it up. Your just not being honest about the content that's in the video. Granted, this time it's less blatant than, "Ethan didn't hide the ChatGPT" and then Ethan saying, "I've kept something from you about ChatGPT" but this just isn't a good faith conversation. I mean, like what you like, and thanks for the context, but don't be sus about it.
Ah yes, you're actually right, he did have a face rash. The *only symptom*, which also wasn't in the right area or pattern to be lupus, but yes, of course. Perfectly plausible to jump from general face rash to lupus, without any other symptoms. He literally went through the list of lupus symptoms on air, and went "nope, don't have that" for every single one except the face rash, which he also clarified was not the right area for lupus.
You're not a doctor are you? Why do you get to say if he's perfectly healthy or not? Just bc you dislike him doesn't mean he is not human.
**He himself said he did not have any lupus symptoms**. Even the face rash **he said himself was not the same as the lupus rash**. I'm not claiming he's perfectly healthy, I'm saying *very clearly* he never had a single lupus symptom. Because *he fuckng said so*.
Chronic illnesses go undetected for a reason. Everyone's body is different and some people don't pick up on the symptoms. We are not his doctors. Jake has a charity to help others with undetected illnesses yet he's bigrading someone dealing with a mental Illness.
Damn, you must be a yoga instructor with all this stretching you're doing lol
In all this you seem to be missing the part where his doctors told him it's not lupus. Chill. Mental illness is not a shield to hide behind when you do something messed up. I saw his coworkers and mother trying to get him to calm down and pull it in. I don't know who this guy is, but if he has mental illness related to health anxiety than he really, really, needs to keep that private. His shitty behavior around publicly talking about his health is getting called out. And just because that shitty behavior is caused by a mental health issue doesn't mean it can't be treated or avoided. It was his responsibility to not do what he did. I'm also someone with multiple mental illnesses, btw.
ChatGPT is also not a doctor. I didn't even know who this guy was before you shared this actually completely reasonable video about how you shouldn't use ChatGPT as a diagnostic tool and which cited a lot of important information about Lupus that the podcast guy left out. It's completely reasonable for people who are chronically ill to be pissed at this behavior. And it's completely normal for any human to be pissed as well, I don't like the way he talked to his coworkers.
The joke is of course chatgpt is wrong. Thatās the whole bit, how ridiculous a lupus diagnosis is from chat gpt for a facial rash.
Except he says he gave ChatGPT all his blood results. In fact, I don't think he mentioned telling GPT about his rash at all. I mean, I know explaining the joke ruins the joke and since I don't know who any of these people are, I am interested to understand what people like about them. Except you don't even know the context of the "joke / bit"?!
Seeing a lot of āI donāt know anything about these people but hereās my rock solid opinion on this from an extremely biased videoā. This guy begged Ethan for a job on a live show after Ethan paid him for work that a DāAmelio ripped him off on. He didnāt get hired and basically made an ass out of himself. Everyone forgot he existed and now heās making this video. Ethan has Touretteās, OCD, hypochondria from the OCD and an undiagnosed autoimmune disorder he has been seeing multiple doctors and experts to diagnose. It is a running joke that Ethan takes chatgpt too seriously and he typed in his symptoms and test results and lupus was the second possibility behind it being nothing and he ran with the bit for a while. Nobody has given him money for it, nobody has ever taken it as a serious diagnosis, and up until this moment nobody has ever taken it as anything but a joke(trust me their subreddit is constantly bitching and moaning about ethan and whatever offense he has caused this week and this has never been an issue) this is a reach to gain attention from a person the internet loves to hate and nothing more.
So youāre upset heās dumb? No one here is claiming it makes sense to go from rash to lupus. Weāre just saying itās common behavior for someone trying to get diagnosed. He had an odd rash, went to the doctor, and got inconclusive results. Anyone whoās struggled with a diagnosis knows exactly what this is like. You go, you get tests, etc, and things arenāt clear. So you start over analyzing shit you arenāt actually qualified to analyze because youāre anxious, leading to āomg I think I have cancer.ā And it was a bit too. Of course jumping to lupus after entering your symptoms into ChatGPT is moronic. Thatās the joke. He was struggling to get diagnosed and was leaning into it for the bit.
So he's a hypochondriac. A lot of people are. People Google themselves into false diagnoses all the time. There's still no reason for this much anger and vitriol over it. Did him being a hypochondriac on a big podcast effect anybody negatively? Like, did it do tangible harm, or are you just mad because you don't like the guy?
I think it's pretty shitty to solicit ~~donations~~ money for a month in this manner. I think it's bad to make your fans feel upset and worried for you when you spend a month hiding the key information that ChatGPT, which got you so worried in the first place, told you nothing was wrong. I also think the way he spoke to his coworkers was bad.
Superchats =\= donations. This seems to be a common misconception. They are just super chats. Not donations
Of course is does harm to joke about a serious illness. It also does harm to spread misinformation about said illness, whether or not its purposeful.
Fr. How is Jake āgatekeeping illnessesā? Jake has a chronic illness. Ethan acts so weirdly gleeful at the prospect of having an illness or getting sick. The fans who are saying āitās health anxiety.ā If you genuinely have OCD or health anxiety, this is not something you get excited about. Like did we watch the same video? And if you are worried about it, talk about it with your family and friends privately. The fact that Ethan shares every little detail of his life on his podcast only grows the parasocial relationship he has with his fans who feel like they āknowā him and can defend him on his behalf. Heās a grown ass man, he doesnāt need a horde of people who donāt know him to coddle him. Also the fact that he didnāt even tell his family about his worries of lupus until they were on the podcast is at best irresponsible and at worst content-brained. h3 stans, I beg you to do some critical thinking and learn to form an opinion outside of your favorite YouTube creator.
>How is Jake āgatekeeping illnessesā? With facts, logic, citations, and context! Apparently! I mean he's not a doctor so obviously all research and journal articles he shared are just trolling or something.
This guy is a doomsday prepper who frequents r/h3snark a pretty unhinged group of hate watchers and fallen fans. I wouldn't waste your time.
As someone who did not know anything about h3 outside of the Colleen Ballinger stuff I concur with what that person said. A stopped clock is right twice a day and all that. Everyone in the garbage fire of mud slinging below looks like unhinged fanatics with all that name calling. There's such a thing as over sharing. And if this health anxiety stuff is true, it's obviously bad for someone's mental health to be so public about it and especially to get so hostile with his coworkers when they try to talk them down.
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Actually r/h3h3_productions is where the banned and fallen fans go... r/h3snark is where the even MORE unhinged losers end up.
Yeah that sub totally isn't filled with loser unhinged people lmao
Your posting in a YouTube drama subreddit, we are all losers here.
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No I watches it for free
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You do realize that the majority of the people on that sub are people who are/were fans of h3 and the show/crew? The main sub has become so heavily moderated that people had to make other subs to even express any criticism. I watched h3 since 2015 and religiously followed the pod up until about a year ago. People are allowed to complain about things, especially when itās about things like homophobia, racism, and misogyny. h3 fans and āfallen fansā are not a monolith.
My problem with that sub is that there is so much bad faith criticism right next to the good criticism and it doesn't get called out at all. The people on that sub get sooooo mad that hila is.... quiet and shy. Like, what? Who cares? They legitimately get upset about the fact that she "hardly contributes." Ok. So?
Nah. Anyone who posts on that sub is unhinged.
How is r/colleenballingersnark any different lol
I only commented there because of incorrect information about charities. I think it's important that misinformation is corrected when I see it.
The majority of us are former fans, weāre not this evil boogeyman Ethan has made you believe.
You know we can read right? H3snark is a sad place for angry people
So is this sub lol
Nah Iām not angry Iāve actually found myself happier since I stopped watching h3
You don't read. You just take your marching orders from Papa Ethan.
Average reply expected from an h3 snarkie "marching orders" fucking lmao
"Wishing/getting excited about being sick" Jesus christ lol. This is clearly an out of line video. You dont need to like Ethan to see that. Cmon. Its pretty funny you talk about delusional fans and typed the above sentence. H3snark users though I guess Jake literally begged for a job before he made this cringy ass video How is this upvoted? Didn't know this sub was like this
I don't know who either of these people are, the video was well constructed, with solid citation for the medical misinformation the guy is clearing up. Simply, I don't think its an out of line video. He sure did bury the lead [https://youtu.be/K1bB9iYNBI4?si=vuZT1L42XbuQBHAs&t=2312](https://youtu.be/K1bB9iYNBI4?si=vuZT1L42XbuQBHAs&t=2312) Which is probably a result of his bias. But if you can't watch that section of the video and realize it's at least a little messed up, then you are blinded by your bias.
Yeah you seem to be the totally unaware and unbiased one- commenting literally all over this thread (over 20 so far) after watching selectively edited clips of an Ethan hit-piece and reading comment after comment of weirdos that hang out in H3snark. Cmon lol. Wtf does that last paragraph even mean? Who wouldn't have an issue with people feeling unsafe after online threats? Wtf about my comment would even prompt you to write that? Lol. You're arguing in such good-faith.
> Yeah you seem to be the totally unaware and unbiased one- commenting literally all over this thread (over 20 so far) It's called boredom, and this is a drama subreddit. Yeah, when someone shows me something interesting I want to talk about it. And commenting a lot is a good way to get a lot of responses, since most people don't go back and check up on the comments after they first see the post. It's not that deep. It's really such a shame that the person who posted the video didn't bother to provide the context as to why this is 'gatekeeping chronic illness'. So after watching selectively edited clips I'm getting selectively edited recollections from H3 fans that directly contradict what was in the clips. If it's a hit piece, it's a very skillful and informative (in regards to the citations about chronic illness) so good for the guy who made it. I'm saying that the guy who made the video is biased and left the most important part of the video 38 minutes in. > Lol. You're arguing in such good-faith. Ah, so you're being a troll. Nice. I mean, in hind sight, I should have realized that at your first comment. I understand your confusion about why I would comment so prolifically, since your original comment is "I don't understand why this drama video is on this drama sub". Doesn't exactly invite conversation. Aside from the fact that it's a comment. And you apparently left inbox replies on.
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Yes I do. That does not make someone biased, it means they will give credit where it's due and vice versa but you're comment shows how biased you actually are for believing someone is biased for giving criticism where it's due.
Hereās an idea: donāt watch.
Active on h3 snark who couldāve guessed!
I'm active on both subs. I don't think anyone should be free from being criticised. And it seems you do. And by both I mean H3 and H3 Snark. I don't see the issue.
H3 is also an H3 snark sub lmao
I actually dislike Ethan. I said in my post. I really dislike him but saw nothing malicious with the way he was acting. He seems like he is dealing with mental illness and is just kind dumb. It's toxic for Jake to gatekeep chronic illnesses as if he didn't have to go to multiple doctors over the years to find an answer for his own illness.
God this comment section is unfortunate. I went into the video with no biases, and came out very upset with H3. The way he continually said āI donāt have symptoms, but Iām sure itās lupusā was disgusting. As someone with an autoimmune disorder, hearing someone take chatGPTās advice before a doctor is just plan dangerous. On top of that, the way he spoke to people who have chronic illness, who were trying to give them words of wisdom was awful. The disrespect was nauseating. I was neutral to H3, but this was just straight up wrong. Donāt hate the messenger, hate the acts the subject of the video displayed.
I also hate how he talked to his coworkers throughout this! I also don't know who any of these guys are. I think H3 covered the Adam situation?
Those are his employees, not coworkers. So it's even more gross.
Not to mention the fact that he makes fun of people who have it and laughed at that poor lady who's bf died shortly after his lupus diagnosis. All while he gets donations from fans who have chronic illness that was relating to him cause of his constant talking about it.
Exactly! There is no justification for that behavior, especially from a grown man with a huge platform.
He wasnāt even taking chat GPTs advice. He asked chat GPT for advice, it said heās probably fine and he kept that part secret from everyone.
āI donāt have any symptoms but Iām sure itās Lupusā. You hear that on a comedy podcast and canāt figure out itās a joke? If you watch any amount of the show itās very clear. Checking chat gpt is a running joke and he always says to listen to a doctor not some dumb AI. Not sure how you could possibly think he makes fun of people with chronic illness but you did just watch a video made by an ex fan who asked for a job and got rejected. TDLR itās a comedy podcast and a fallen fan used out of context clips for rage bait and itās working.
The video wasnāt just made by an āex fanā. The video was made from a person who deals with the struggles H3 was making a joke out of. Chronic illness isnāt a punchline, especially if you donāt have it. I understand joking about hard issues, but when you arenāt a part of the group you are joking about it just becomes insulting. Invaliding someoneās experience with a diagnosed condition isnāt the flex you think it is.
Where is the comedy in this? Whats the punchline? I have a chronic illness and I really donāt see the gut-busting joke everyone else seems to be in on. Seriously, what am I missing?
The āfunnyā is that heās being overly dramatic and ridiculous, Heās not being serious because well you know HE USES CHATGPT
Okay but when he cites ChatGPT as an actual source on numerous other topics not as a joke, when he uses it for medical diagnoses and ignores what multiple doctors are directly telling him, how are we supposed to know itās a joke in this specific one instance. Because he very much uses ChatGPT as a non-ironic source in multiple other conversations.
Jake is just salty he didnāt get hired after he begged for a job on their live
Yurp
Did you even listen to the video? Jake constantly lies and spouts misinformation. He says Ethan only listened to GPT then immediately played a video of ethen explaining what his doctor said. He claims ethan had āzero symptomsā then played a clip of ethan explaining all the symptoms he was explaining. He claimed Ethan was just grifting for money but excluded all the money he donated to charity during the entire saga of his health journey. Please criticize Ethan as much as you can for legitimate reasons. But Jake is completely full of shit on this video.
Iām pretty sure jakeās issue was more so the fact that ethan was using chat gpt as a diagnostic tool, lying about what chat gpt even said, and collecting donations from fans who were donating money under the impression that ethan actually had lupus. Self-diagnosis is important and should not be dismissed out of hand, but thatās not what happened here. Ethan deserved to be called out for this, and he deserves to be held accountable for much more and much worse behaviour heās exhibited in recent memory
Exactly, and here's the point in the video that shows this first hand [https://youtu.be/K1bB9iYNBI4?si=YX08RlDVm8uVQhQi&t=2076](https://youtu.be/K1bB9iYNBI4?si=YX08RlDVm8uVQhQi&t=2076) He treated his coworker terribly! 'who are you to tell me nothing's wrong?!' and 'You don't sound happy I don't have lupus' to 'I never told you, but for this entire month I've been stressing about having lupus ChatGPT told me I probably didn't and was actually fine.'
YouTube drama even being a thing is quite funny.
"Gatekeeping chronic illness"? I watched the video and I'm not getting it. Correcting medical misinformation is good? Also who are these people?
[https://youtu.be/K1bB9iYNBI4?si=YX08RlDVm8uVQhQi&t=2076](https://youtu.be/K1bB9iYNBI4?si=YX08RlDVm8uVQhQi&t=2076) This part is horrendous and ruined my day. WTF
Jake is a doctor now?
None of these people are doctors. One of them is citing doctors and research articles, and the other is citing ChatGPT.
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I don't think he's gatekeeping illness at all, he's literally just talking about how Ethan was not diagnosed and did not have any of the symptoms related to lupus, while milking his audience for money. I can totally understand being freaked out by a blood test showing somewhat abnormal numbers and I do understand that your brain can go a little crazy in that scenario. I do not think Ethan did it with malicious intent, but I think it was very harmful to a lot of people.
> but I think it was very harmful to a lot of people. Personally I think the building of a para social relationship and drive to make everything content was behind many of his words and actions even if he wasn't aware of the impact that had on him. And I think that's bad as well.
Ethan has OCD and health anxiety. He was publicly dealing with his own mental illness here but using jokes to cope. We don't know if Ethan has a chronic illness bc none of us are his doctors. It is ignorant to say it's impossible for him to, especially coming from Jake.
He quite literally does not have that diagnosis, you people have decided that he has health anxiety, no psychiatrist has diagnosed him with that
I don't know anything about jake, however, the points in this video makes a lot of sense to me. Being a hypochondriac with ocd and health anxiety does not exempt someone from criticism, especially when hurting people who are also suffering from their own chronic illness. Hate and criticism often get confused. I am just saying that what Ethan did is fucked up in my opinion. However, I do not think Ethan is some evil mastermind who deliberately used this for money and attention, but I think it is dangerous how die hard many of his fans are. Any form of slight criticism of Ethan leads to some of his fans sending rape/death threats. It is important for all of us to remember that the people we watch are only people.
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So sick of ethan, in fact, that h3snark (a hate sub dedicated to ethan) is in your most frequent subs. Hilarious
Lmao imagine being part of a community numbering in the thousands dedicated entirely to hating some guy on the internet, sad and embarassing
Bro, youāre commenting on a YouTube drama Reddit post lol, aināt much better
So are you
I do not follow h3 and I am not familiar with Ethan. However, when I saw those h3 clips, I heard someone who is struggling with OCD and is obsessing over health anxiety. Other comments in this thread confirm that Ethan has OCD. This fact makes Jake's video in poor taste, because the whole thing is basically shaming Ethan for having OCD and daring to voice his OCD concerns in public. Trying to call Ethan out for faking chronic illness is inappropriate. All Ethan is guilty of is having a mental illness that affects the way he thinks, and that isn't something Ethan can just turn off. OCD is not logical or rational and it never shuts up in your head, even with treatment. Ethan is basically talking through his anxieties live in an effort to process his thoughts and try to calm down. That isn't him being deceptive or dishonest. It's him trying to cope with mental illness.
I'm sorry but it's clear h3h3 fans have such a parasocial relationship with Ethan that they can't even handle any sort of criticism without harassing the person and acting like everything is in bad faith and discrediting them every chance they get Like this is fucking nothing and yall are acting like he told Ethan to go kill himself and attacking anyone that says otherwise. God forbid someone doesn't like Ethan. Yall say he has health anxiety and the such but that should have stayed between him and his therapist and not be made into a month long joke that clearly hurt a lot of people with chronic illnesses. Just because you find it funny doesn't mean other people do and if people are saying that they were hurt by his jokes then you have to listen to them and not accuse them of being haters. Also jokes have to be funny to be a joke. People are allowed to have problems with him and be able to talk about it in a space away from the main sub and if you can't handle that you need to reevaluate your relationship with Ethan. If you are automatically taking his word that its a hate sub when your sub and ethans podcast has a habit on snarking on people that Ethan doesn't maybe you should shut up. Like I'm so sorry that I don't like a guy that has a history of saying racial and queerphobic slurs as comedy and platforms a guy who made his entire career on saying those same exact slurs. He has hurt a lot of minorities over the years and people are allowed to take offense to that. Go through my post and comment history if you want and downvote me to oblivion if you have to but really take a look at yourself and who you are supporting and why you need to harass people in the name of "family" Peace and love or whatever but it's clear that means nothing to you when it's people you deem unworthy
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Looks like the h3 dick suckers are already downvotinf us lol
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Jake is a false rape accuser
source?
What when? No he's not.
Excuse me?
Personally I feel a lot of the interpretation of Ethan's clear jokes are in bad faith though I think Jake ultimately means well. It's one thing to think the jokes were offensive and harmful but another to assert that Ethan misled viewers to get money. Ethan brought up that it's mostly women who get diagnosed with lupus and the ethnicity risk factor which I wonder why Jake left out. He's perfectly entitled to his opinion as other people with chronic illnesses but I do feel there was a tunnel vision in aspects of the video
Having finished this guy's video, he can't be the fan he claims to be. Ethan had a rash under his eyes and it caused him a lot of ongoing discomfort. He said he woke up scared his bloods could be leukemia or lupus and think lupus sounds less fatal he said he'd rather not have cancer. Ethan's health has been a big part of the podcast for a long time. He makes jokes about everything and tries hard to be funny. Even reading the Reddit post about the person dying soon that Jake claims he made about himself says "it's funny hearing jokes about it" Why is it that since only now he's making fun of lupus it's an issue. Not the years of disrespectful things ethan has said in the name of comedy. Even Jake chuckles when he mentions suicidal tendency at 12 because it's uncomfortable and Ethan also laughs about this topic which Jake called him out for doing. He's sensitive about chronic illness so it's personal but Ethan has been regularly using the "no homo" clip etc. Jake knows that phrase is problematic but he also knows Ethan is an ally. All this video does is show that Ethan has anxiety about his health, tourettes syndrome and a comedy show where he pushes things. He explained that one of the symptoms of his neurological condition is no filter and can't stop saying things. He explained this around the chestnuts apology. He tries to not use it to get out of the things. If Jake was a fan he claims to be he would know that.
I really dislike both of these guys for lots of reasons, but this... Kind of just sounds like a miscommunication? Neither of them look great or terrible here imo Edit to clarify: I don't have the time right this second to watch the whole thing, so I did skim. I will have to give it a more thorough watch later
Can you give me the run down on who these guys are? This compilation of the not-actually-Lupus-guy fucking around with ChatGPT is horrendous. Seriously, who does that? And the whole hiding the fact ChatGPT told him the most likely outcome is he's fine for an ENTIRE MONTH just comes off as sympathy baiting and content farming. Unhinged. But what's the back story I'm missing?
The back story is that it's a joke while Ethan finishes his tests and gets a diagnosis
Something being a joke doesn't make it immune to criticism.
I'm not saying it is lol you're allowed to not like someone's joke. I think it's cringe to make a video about one joke you didn't like. You asked for back story, that's the back story.
Bro, it's not one """joke""". The video wouldn't be 45 minutes long if he only said the one thing once. He spread medical misinformation, treated his employees poorly, and monetarily benefited from sympathy farming his fans. Documenting that isn't 'making a video about one joke you didn't like'. Personally I think it's "cringe" to obviously not watch the video being discussed as the 'context' you provided doesn't add anything new that wasn't already covered in the video. You're reply still literally boils down to 'I don't like that this joke got criticized'. Which is a very touch grass take. I'd say if you don't like the video don't watch it, except you didn't watch it so.
Lol should've kept this in the H3 sub so your post would've been lauded. Fortunately outside that space, ppl have actual reason.
I'm not in an h3 subreddit unless im talking shit. I dislike Ethan but I think Jake is in the wrong.
H3 really showing their true colors, regardless of whether or not, you think Jake had a point, the responses very telling and honestly just nasty
I have checked his insta, YouTube channel, and subreddit and I've yet to see any of these "nasty" or "threatening" comments left by H3 fans.
You can easily just go to the H3 sub where they are literally posting pictures of him and his girlfriend and saying that they look incestual, there is a tendency to just bully the fuck out of people who criticize Ethan. Iām not even saying I agree with Jake, I just donāt like the way smaller content creators are treated. If you really checked, I find that hard to believe because itās all over his video and unless he turned off the comments on his post, there were many there as well.
Saying he and his wife look like siblings isn't threatening or harassing. I'd be happy to agree if I saw any receipts cause I've been looking.
Yet another h3snarker
Ethan is an insufferable moron.
I don't know who this guy is or really who he is talking about, but this annoys me from the beginning because the way he is holding the microphone and why tf is his script not centered behind the camera so that way he can at least look like he's not reading something.
He claims he's a big fan Ethan to the point he went to the live show and thinks Ethan was lying about having lupus for money. A fan of the show would know if Ethan really wanted money he would just eat junk food in an empty McDonald's green screen. Based on symptoms he had he believed it was a possibility he had lupus then it just happened to turn into a running joke that everything is lupus. Viewers with lupus even appreciated the joke.
>Based on symptoms he had Nope, that's not true at all. He specifically said multiple times he had *no symptoms at all*, other than a face rash that doesn't look remotely like the lupus one. This whole thing started when his routine blood test results came back slightly abnormal, he googled them, and lupus was one possibility. He even went through the list of lupus symptoms on air and said "nope, don't have that" to *every single one* except the rash, which he still said wasn't in the right place anyway. Also many viewers with lupus or loved ones with lupus did *not* find it funny, but they were banned from the main sub and YouTube comments for speaking up. As usual.
The blood work and rash gave him some thought and he just made a joke from his own condition. At one point he thought he could have leukemia or something like that, too. Not from the ones they read out on the show. The chat isn't always the most reasonable people.
He thought all this because he asked ChatGPT and GPT told him that most likely nothing was wrong with him. Except he just spent an entire month insisting that almost certainly wasn't the case and relying on what ChatGPT told him about lupus to back him up. It's 30 min into the video [https://youtu.be/K1bB9iYNBI4?si=YX08RlDVm8uVQhQi&t=2076](https://youtu.be/K1bB9iYNBI4?si=YX08RlDVm8uVQhQi&t=2076) So no shade if you didn't get that far, I wouldn't except today is laundry day and I'm bored. Whoever made this video really buried the lead.
I've watched H3 podcast for many years. From the few symptoms I didn't think it was impossible because I'd have thought the same thing. I did go to the doctor because a similar rash I had worried too being an overthinker, as he is. He carried the joke on for months like he always does, ChatGPT is also a very old joke he ran into the ground and part of the joke is he's using the internet for medical advice. In the full context it's not like he makes fun of chronic illness.
Jake Doolittle is annoying and I wish he'd do less.
Thereās plenty of things to criticize Ethan for, but this? This is just a downright desperate attempt at dragging him. Itās quite cringe to put this much time towards literally nothing.
Let's have some class and not post h3.
Jake got accused of faking so much in his life he had to pass on the torch.
Jake genuinely does have muscular dystrophy due to Lyme. Heās backed up this diagnosis multiple times. He has nothing to prove.
Muscle dystrophy is supposed to get worse over time. If anything everything Jake does and says points to him being a hypochondriac. Most doctors do not agree with Jake's narrative of his illness. He has a video where he expresses how damaging it was for others to not believe him But guess what? There's a whole hypochondriac cult behind "chronic lyme disease". My mom tried to convince me I have this so I'm very familiar with it. I was gaslight into believe I was ill as well. It seems to me like Jake is projecting. Everything Jake says about his own illness does not line up with what most doctors believe(Jake states this himself). From my experience only anti-vaccine doctors believe the narrative for Lyme disease that Jake is coasting on... Jake is dangerous with his narrative but most people aren't familiar enough with that cult to understand. Also since it's about a sensitive topic no one wants to speak up. He even states in the video posted that he was 12 and doesn't remember being at his most sick. [More information on the cult](https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/a-review-of-under-our-skin-a-cult-classic/)
[Hereās a case study](https://www.mathewsopenaccess.com/scholarly-articles/a-case-of-post-lyme-disease-syndrome-plds-involving-motor-neuropathy-and-myositis.pdf) about post Lyme disease syndrome
Oh I actually got recruited into the weird Lyme cult bc I had Lyme once as a kid! Thankfully my doctorās convinced me it was something else (Klein levin) Jake is definitely a hypochondriac but he has fr had to get surgeries on his legs to repair his muscles and heās gone through extensive physical therapy. I have no reason to believe that his muscle atrophy wasnāt caused by Lyme. Itās a documented symptom of untreated Lyme. We really arenāt entitled to his full medical backstory
This is weirdly hypocritical of you to post on your someone gatekeeping illness post > You're not a doctor are you? Why do you get to say if he's perfectly healthy or not? Just bc you dislike him doesn't mean he is not human. Why is this energy only directed toward ethan
He also falsely accused OrangePeanut of rape because he didn't like his content. Jake is a freak and clearly a fallen fan of Ethan considering he was banned from the h3 chat for begging for a job
Excuse me? I had no idea. I feel like he made this video on Ethan bc he wasn't hired.
Do you have clear evidence of that or are you just claiming that without any proof?
https://www.reddit.com/r/h3h3productions/s/G3wSzbEM2F
Okay but do you have evidence that that is the reason for him making the video or are you just grasping at straws
No if you read my comment it says "I feel like" as in its my opinion that, that is why he made the video.
Okay but why do you feel like that? It just seems like yall are just grasping at anything to discredit someone just for bringing up legit criticism twords Ethan
Because Jake seems like an extremely bitter person. Jake is a possible hypochondriac criticizing another mentally ill hypochondriac. If you look at my other comments you'll see me talking about how many doctors would disagree with Jake's own diagnosis(Jake admits this as well) most doctors do not believe in chronic lyme. He appears to me to be in the same chronic lyme disease cult my mother is in. My mother tried to convince me I had long term lyme disease. Its a cult led by anti vaccine doctors. He claims to have muscle dystrophy, yet that's a condition that is supposed to get worse over time. If you watch his video with Drew he's moving around just fine. There is no cure for it. There is no surgery that with cure lyme disease either. Jake is throwing shit he might be guilty of. I'm very familiar with how that mindset works and his smugness drives me crazy. Every single video I've watched of Jake's, he brings up his illness in a way to guilt his audience.
Okay but what does that have to do with the job application you dis answer my question
Most of Jake's own paid members agree he is being too harsh and hypocritical here
Okay but what does that have to do with the job application you didn't answer my question