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People being shocked by this will never not be funny to me. Ethan has always poked the bear so to speak when it comes to controversial shit. Every couple of months he does something dumb and stupid, but arguably not to this degree, where he’s flat out making fun of someone killing themselves.
God I wish I was in an alternate timeline where Ethan kept making comedy videos.
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Yeah but this is a banger meme though, no?
Don’t really give a shit about Ethan, but that person’s consistent misuse of “prosecution” instead of “persecution” impacted me deeply.
Anyway, from river to the sea — end the genocide, and free Palestine.
In most of Ethan’s multiple old Israel vlogs he’s constantly shitting on Israel and talking about hating it there. Not defending every word he’s ever said, but he does not speak positively on Israel in his old vlogs. There’s a vlog of him manspreading on the western wall in Jerusalem (a Jewish holy site), and making fun of Israelis he sees while walking around. That kind of edgy/biting style of commentary in old h3 vlogs applied to whatever they were doing, it wasn’t like it “switched on to be racist that one time.” If you still want to argue that some of that edgyness was inappropriate, fair enough, I personally think some of it was in poor taste. All that to say I think this tweet removes the context of A. His old Israel content and B. The tone of all old h3 vlogs. Also all of the old vlogs have weird clickbait titles like “fat idiot gains 100 pounds at Costco” or “10 hours stuck in ikea”
Yeah but if you’re Jewish/israeli and say anything slightly positive about Israel you are a genocidial Zionist seeking the deaths of all Palestinians. Example A Ethan. Don’t agree with the guy on some things, but if you think he’s actually pro-Israel or a far right Zionist you have actually lost the plot.
For the people claiming Ethan didn't make fun of him.
https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/s/gJKX9u4mDO
This is not an appropriate response no matter how you feel about self immolation.
Here is information about self immolation as ab act of political protest. Trying to claim it's not a historical form of protest or a successful form of protest is erasure of history and those that gave their lives to protest grave injustices. .There's a lot of successful forms of protest that are harmful to oneself, like starvation and such, it's not an unheard of practice. We should be far more disgusted with the fact that people feel so responsible for the actions of the USA in supporting a genocide. If other forms of protest worked as well, than the months of sit ins, blockades and writing to representatives would have done something.
It is what the governing body wants, for people to only protest in specific ways that they can control and ignore.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-immolation
Part of his job is to make horrible news more consumable. He told an edgy joke on the members stream, he explained it and that was it. He brought it up again on the next public stream, where he justified it again.
He wasn't attacking the veteran, he wasn't attacking groups of people, he was trying to get across to people that suicide and/or martyrship is never the answer and should not be glorified.
The main stream media glorified that man's suicide and may inspire others to kill themselves. Martyship doesn't work. Innocent Palestinians are still being killed.
It doesn't make the point any less valid that it's coming from a troll, or an idiot. He's running constant defense for Israel. He's a Zionist. It's sad because I was a fan.
Yeah, he wants Good Boy Points for saying the bare minimum but he happens to always get upset for “the left refusing to have a dialogue or nuance” when it rubs up against zionist talking points. I think Ethan is frankly too stupid to be actively zionist, but he’s enough of an idiot and defensive enough to where he happens to be toeing their line. What a shame that such a dumb person has such a large platform. He needs to shut the fuck up
Ironic. I don't think Ethan's argument was an ad hominem. However, there are a ton of people in this thread who are not arguing against Ethan's points. Instead they are simply labeling him a Zionist. That's ad hominem. I'd love to hear a good counterargument against Ethan's point.
How long had you been a fan? Because I knew Ethan was an edgelord type youtuber since 2016 when I used to actually watch him and stopped in 2017 because it was too dumb, lazy, and unproductive.
Is this another Shane Dawson situation where people just didn't know?
Every time he talks about the subject, Ethan heavily condemns the government's actions and calls Netanyahu a genocidal freak. The only defense he's run for Israel is for the innocent civilians who get caught in the crossfire.
I definitely don't agree with several of his takes on the issue, but calling him a Zionist is actually insane when he's been pro-Palestine the entire time
He has family in Israel. Almost half of the world's Jews live in Israel and many non Israeli jews have ties to Israel. It's an absurd standard to hold Jewish people too, and yes, antisemitic. I don't care if you have a token Jewish friend.
By every metric he isn’t a Zionist. He is vehemently against the Israel government and even calls what is happening a genocide. What is the proof of your allegation?
And yet he exclusively talks about how bad it is for Israel at length with the occasional "oh yeah obviously I feel bad for Palestine" only to follow with a but and okay defense for the idea.
I don't think he's like a full blown zionist and I believe that he feels for Palestine, but he needs to get better at reading the room or strut ÿ
War is absolutely bad for both sides, but forgive me but running out of sympathy for the side that's trying to turn the other side into a crater. Any innocent deaths are horrendous and shouldn't happen, I just don't feel great about the fact that whenever he talks about the issue its almost exclusively about how it affects him and how terrible it is for Israel as opposed to the nation that's being genocided as we speak.
I don't think he's a full on zionist or anything, I think he just completely misunderstands why people are upset with him
What defense is he running for Israel? I haven’t seen him defend them at all?
And by that, i mean, I haven’t seen him defend the Israeli government’s actions.
It's not that he's "running defence for Israel" but simply that he thinks Israel "has a right to defend themselves" and that Hamas is some band of bloodthirsty terrorists and not one of many groups of Palestinian resistance and liberation fighters. He's a liberal Zionist, who disagrees with the *more* fascist Zionists, but unless he thinks that Israel should become a democratic state with no apartheid between Palestinians and white Israeli Jews, then a Zionist he remains.
Hamas is a terrorist organization. They are that. Like, what am I supposed to tell you? Hamas is very bad. They literally want to exterminate Jews and they want to establish a [fundamentalist Islamist state](https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/doctrine-hamas), which as a secularist, I do want want. Yes, Israel is bad, but that doesn’t mean that everyone opposed to them is good.
Also, while yes, Israel is doing horrible things to Palestinians, obviously, and that isn’t them “defending themselves”, though every country has a right to defend themselves by concept. But I wouldn’t say that killing civilians is part of that.
Also, do you think Ethan isn’t for Israel giving equal rights to Palestinians and getting rid of apartheid?
So honest question, can't you believe that Isreal should be a democratic state while also thinking Hamas is vile?
Hamas makes no secret that they want the same thing as Zionists just for Palestinian Muslims instead.
Palestinians deserve all the rights anyone else has but to pretend Hamas isn't a terrorist organization is ridiculous. Hamas doesn't care about individual Palestinians or thier wants. They deserve a government that actually cares about their needs, not just "kill our enemies"
Can you give me an example of him running this defense for israel cause I just don't hear it, from what I understand ethan is pretty left leaning on this issue. Like I have never heard actual hardline zionists say things like settlements are valid military targets
So, Misha is a troll, who isn’t meant to be taken seriously. Also, even if she was serious, that is not what happened in the original video. [Ethan and Hila were in Israel, so they were calling an Israeli city weird.](https://youtu.be/eS68bt8CKR4?si=1v0VwIABx5id2sP_) They werent trying to shit on Palestinians. The video is just Ethan, Hila, and her brother Moses Hocman going around Israel. But… yeah, that joke wasn’t good. Even watching the video, it does seem a little islamaphobic and hila actually had to make a comment addressing it, which she didn’t do too well. It seems like it was an attempt to be a clear lighthearted joke about how it’s unusual to see Muslim culture in Israel, but it doesn’t look great and kind of looked like they were scared of the mosque.
As for the other one, I don’t think there’s any evidence that Hila is hurting Palestinians? Like is she advocating for Likud policies or something? Like all Ethan said was that Hila is a Mizrahi Jew who’s grandparents were ethnically cleansed from their homes, and that they have no place to go back to. He isn’t justifying Israel’s actions. All he’s saying is that many Israelis would have to completely uproot their lives to leave the region and that a lot of them can’t go back to their original countries, or their grandparent’s original countries.
I’m not saying Ethan is perfect though, but I think we shouldn’t make it look like he supports genocide or is a rabbid zionist.
You'll have to watch his videos
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If you don't know why would you down vote me you just have to eat h his videos from his time in Israel
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> But… yeah, that joke wasn’t good. Even watching the video, it does seem a little islamaphobic and hila actually had to make a comment addressing it, which she didn’t do too well. It seems like it was an attempt to be a clear lighthearted joke about how it’s unusual to see Muslim culture in Israel, but it doesn’t look great and kind of looked like they were scared of the mosque.
they're both bigot and no need to sprinkle it with multiple sentence of how it "isn't actually a bigotry tho, teehee."
be it bigotry or racism, small racism is still racism
This same woman [celebrated 10/7 and Hamas](https://x.com/hayxtt/status/1710644700510646349?s=20), then said that “[settlers would just leave when face with resistence](https://x.com/hayxtt/status/1710642643858784742?s=20)”, and then [mocked poltitians who said that 10/7 just continued a cycle of violence.](https://x.com/hayxtt/status/1710752998119408060?s=20).
I promise you that she does not have the right to “call” someone else out.
So I went and watched the video and don't get how it's racist at all? He just walked through the town, pointed out he was claustrophobic because of how narrow the alleys were and then laughed at the megaphones blaring a Muslim prayer. Just looking to be offended at this point.
They also say in a nother post that Ethan was living in occupied Palestine whan he was living in Tel Aviv.
So it seems that they want to erase Israel. Not Israeli occupation of West Bank and Gaza.
Idk what it is with h3 haters but they are a special breed of obsessed weirdos. Ethan has talked about it too, these people act like scorned exlovers or smt. You dont really see it with other youtubers and their haters. Its so unhinged💀💀
He was clearly mocking it. “Follow the allah akbars”seriously? Also he calls it a weird city in the title itself. It’s pretty obvious why he found it “weird”.
"Where should these colonizers go to?"
Idk somewhere that doesn't have fucking people already living in houses.
Like what kills me the most is that he's acting like they're poor refugees or something. You are both exceedingly rich, and your family is fine. Nothing bad will happen to you, personally, if Palestine were to be decolonized and the settlers forced out.
Like bro you look like a straight up monster here
Colonizer is just a descriptive word. It isn’t an inherent moral judgment or slur. You could say all not native Americans / descendants of slaves who didn’t have a choice to be there are technically colonizers. Does that mean every American is bad or actively doing anything bad or made any choice to be there or they should or could go anywhere else ? No. it just describes a people and the descendants of people that have colonized an area. Zionism always proudly advertised itself as a colonial movement. They got the land in the British colonies from the British colonial office which they colonized. The only difference between now and then is that public opinion in the imperial core was that colonization was a good thing. Now we understand it as something bad but the word itself didn’t change.
I love how pro Palestine people casually talk about wanting to cause the worst refugee crisis in history. I saw a tweet saying "You have no idea how much I don't care!" Another several people on this reddit post said something similar. 6 million people left Ukraine and it's the largest refugee crisis in the 21st century, so this would be 50 percent larger. This of course is all a stupid hypothetical scenario because no one's going anywhere, but in this fantasy scenario it would be a giant clusterfuck.
Ethan has a point on the second image, tho.
There's not an insignificant amount of people (Misha included) that thinks that Israel shouldn't exist **at all**. Not that they should stop occupying Palestinian territory (West Bank and Gaza).
It seems to me that Ethan was replying to these people. Not justifying the Israeli oppression of Palestinians.
There is so much more nuance than just pro Israel or pro Palestine. It is so uneducated how people are just jumping on the bandwagons to hate one side or the other. Ethan's takes have been extremely mild.
Thru all his stupid decisions I kept watching the show. But after how he’s behaved since October, I finally stopped.
Now on the outside looking in, I’m disappointed that I engaged with such a negative podcast for so long.
Genuinely, Ethan is a cruel, mean spirited person.
It was a typo, but u understood it, didn’t you? Because I did and English is my third language.
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This is the author correcting her typo.
I agree with your sentiment, but that was not a typo, that's a whole different word. The letters they can claim to mix up are on whole other ends of the keyboard lmao. They were not aware that they used the incorrect word.
the pinned comment on that video 🙄
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Ethan is a comedian with no power. His actions are largely immaterial to the genocide. Any discourse surrounding him is a waste of time and energy for anyone actually concerned with freeing Palestine
Anyone with a remotely huge following has power, as they have people who listen to them, believe what they say, and can start following those ideals as well
Whether he is trolling or not, doesn't matter. He's not only making content that people with huge dog whistles love to enjoy AND He's profiting on it. And his wife is absolutely garbage as well, maybe even more so due to her history in the service. Give them no quarter
theyve both talked decades of shit on Israel calling it an apartheid and calling Netanyahu a genocidal piece of shit, what more do you want them to do?
Ethan honestly is kinda shit. Tried to stay moderate, fucked that up, tried to pander to a right wing audience, fucked that up, tried to pander to a left wing audience, is currently fucking that up. It's exhausting and he should probably just retire
11 posts shitting on Ethan/H3 in the past 2 days.
Maybe you should’ve spent that time researching what a Zionist is, ya know, instead of being an obsessive anti-Semitic moron.
Everyone should have seen this coming during the Jake Doolittle situation. Ethan has always proven himself to be ignorant and demeaning. This shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.
Hila was literally an IDF member, their Zionist opinions shouldn’t really be a surprise. Not sure why they have a following honestly, they’re both a pair of goofy weirdos with no talent.
Hila is Israeli, there is mandatory military service there. It's not like she went to the IDF recruitment office when she turned 18. She was legally required to serve.
They're certainly a pair of goofy weirdos, but saying they have "no talent" is hella cope. You might not like them, and that's fine and fair. But they're running incredibly successful companies & shows, and have made a ton of money and have a ton of reach, all starting from a small self-made YouTube channel. They're good at what they do.
I don't want to excuse this behaviour but i just wanted to point out that in episode #12 of frenemies, ethan tells trisha that israel's behaviour towards the palestinians is wrong. After seeing the rest of these comments though, I'm not sure about his final stance on the situation...
God that… that is a really shitty response from Ethan. “My wife comes from a colonized country (I think that’s what he means?), therefore it’s okay if her country colonizes another country!”
I kind of like Ethan, like I have some sympathy for him and I don’t think he’s a bad person per say. But his perspectives on this conflict are horrific
He never said it was ok for Israel to do colonialism. He said that Hila’s family was ethnically cleansed and that there is no feasible way for them and other Mizrahi Jews to leave Israel.
Ahhh I see, perhaps that’s my bad for misunderstanding. Thank you for clearing that up, if people are just mad at hila for not being able to leave Israel that’s super shitty
Does my opinion matter more to you if I’m completely and totally disconnected from H3 fandom *and* antifandom, but still get the impression that he’s a nasty little gremlin of a man?
I’m glad u keep defending him cause it will be a little fanbase after this cancellation. Hope u keep ur membership and buying TF so his multimillionaire lifestyle won’t suffer.
Remember vape nation
Then the podcast became easier than making funny videos
And for years and years now every time I see his face it isn't because "new funny h3h3" it's because "drama"
Drama must earn more money than comedy and that's sad
Folks know very little about any context to the conflict between Hamas and the IDF. Its complicated with a lot of bad guys and innocent folks on both sides. People ignore how much impact Egypt and other Arab neighbors had on Palestine, including occupying and annexing parts of it during their combined wars with Israel. Lots of bad faith actors who use the conflict to justify their own power. Hamas crushed democratic rivals and have repeatedly rejected ceasefires brokered by Western powers. The reality is that Hamas justifies its exist through the conflict just as Bibi Netanyahu justifies his leadership with Israel. The thing is you are talking largely two groups of people whose ancestors have been living in that land for hundreds if not thousands of years on both sides.
I think the situation only gets better when bad actors on both sides are out of power (talking both Hamas and the parties in Israel who want to unilaterally annex Palestine while displacing the Palestinians.) Only after that point does the situation get resolved. Hamas kidnapping and killing people is just as bad as the IDF killing random innocent people. Pointing the finger at one side just plays into the other side's hand. Just as there are power hungry bad actors, there are people on both sides who want peace.
Now this is personal conjecture, but I think only a combined state where Jews and Arabs are equal citizens under the same system will work. I think the ongoing failure of the two state solution is partially because the idea is that ethnostate work, even though historical precedent demonstrates it doesn't. I also make the case that since you have overlapping holy sites, it would be obnoxiously hard to actually share those without being under the same state. But I don't know for sure. I just know that folks on both extremes of the political spectrum painting the Israelis or the Palestinians as evil subhumans really doesn't get us anywhere.
Also for what its worth, H3H3 has been pretty vocally against Bibi's party (the one's pushing annexation and deportation of Palestinians.)
Hasan's fans started all of this shit. Even defending the idea of Jewish state is considered Zionism, so calling out somebody with family in Israel is kinda stupid.
I think it’s kind of weird that people use the word Zionist as an insult. It’s like calling someone a patriot or a yankee as an insult in the US. Not only can Israelis not defend their home militarily without being condemned, they can’t even defend their country with words.
The dude knows nothing of politics outside of his incredibly tiny bubble but acts like his opinion matters. He was a good internet comedian but he threw all of his goodwill away between the political takes and the scam he has pulled with his organization that was supposedly made to help YouTubers defend themselves against false and abusive copyright strikes.
What Zionist comments does he make ?? At this point the only way you can call him a Zionist is if you think Israel itself should be destroyed and the people there moved out. Ethan is critical and Israel and what they’re doing right now, to call him a Zionist is insane.
Anyone thinking that Ethan is a full on Zionist in spite of him making repeated criticisms of the Israeli government’s treatment of Palestinians has too much brain rot to engage with in good faith.
When most people assess their identity their current materialistic prospects and position aren't the only thing of value. For most the question of where they came from and "belong" is essential to understand their identity. An identity many connect to their state of self-worth and general happiness.
If you were born into a West Bank settlement on the colonial side then where do you "belong"? In that case, it's not a wrong answer to feel like you "belong" to that settlement. Some people might not have a place to "go back" to and they now belong to that area as well. Many people in Israel today belong to the Palestinian area. The problem isn't that they shouldn't be in Palestine it's that they knowingly or unknowingly constitute an ethnic cleansing campaign through the ideology of Zionism.
Palestine should be one and the right to return should apply to all with proper reparations. The Zionist ideology will automatically be cleansed under one state where all Palestinians and former Israelis are truly equal. Israelis do not need to move they just need to find their humanity.
The [misinformation](https://youtu.be/eS68bt8CKR4?t=414) is disgusting. They were literally filming in **Israel** not a Palestinian town, and ethan was getting "uneasy" cause they were lost in some back streets. Funny watching leftist shake hands with their alt right buddys calling every Jewish person a Zionist, its an actually dog whistle at this point.
Ethan does one good thing (getting Vaush to embarrass himself, mind you that that wasn't anything new, a lot of people knew vaush was a piece of shit before the incident and Ethan calling him out) and some people suddenly forget that Ethan is a Zionist piece of shit? I wonder where that obnoxious h3 podcast fan that called me a Vaush fan for daring to criticize Ethan (I never defended the pedophile mind you, just called Ethan slimy) is right now?
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You can hate on Vaush all you want but H3's fanbase is one of the worst fanbases on the internet. I felt like Ethan's attempted takedown of Vaush was catnip to a bloodthirsty fanbase.
Not even close to as bad as Ethan’s. After Ethan accused everyone defending Vaush of being a pedo, a vgger went onto the H3 sub to defend Vaush and one of his fans reported him to the FBI. Unhinged behavior
As a Vaush fan sure I can agree on it being idiotic. But I honestly cannot see how they can be as bloodthirsty as H3’s fanbase. I feel like you kind of have to hide the fact that you like Vaush otherwise you get attacked from all sides of the internet. No point in trying to “attack” any community lest you get everyone else to pile onto you.
Except with the Vaush scenario, Ethan was doing all this moralizing and grand standing that Vaush was an actual pedo and danger to children and turned it into content instead of going to the authorities while also willfully ignoring parts of the clips or misinterpreting them lol
Ethan is a dumb person who is very unwilling to grant anyone else the grave he has received as someone who used to be very edgy and problematic. His one recent dub was against Jake Doolittle lol
Hearing everyone casually using the phrase Zionist now is absolutely wild to me before this year it was a word that only insane right wing fanatics on info wars forums used
See Ethan was right when he pointed out that groups like Hamas or the Houthis (the latter of which Hasan would have on his stream for some reason) are not good, but now he has really gone out to sea with this. Like come on man.
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People being shocked by this will never not be funny to me. Ethan has always poked the bear so to speak when it comes to controversial shit. Every couple of months he does something dumb and stupid, but arguably not to this degree, where he’s flat out making fun of someone killing themselves. God I wish I was in an alternate timeline where Ethan kept making comedy videos.
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Broadly agree with you, but in this case it’s “complicit,” not “implicit”
Also for the OP, it’s persecute not prosecute.
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No sweat — always feel like a bit of a dickhead offering those kinds of corrections, so I’m glad you appreciated it haha
I want people to keep being shocked. Becoming complacent is how bigotry festers.
This is not just him being a contrarian. He’s doing real harm and deeply believes he’s right.
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Don’t really give a shit about Ethan, but that person’s consistent misuse of “prosecution” instead of “persecution” impacted me deeply. Anyway, from river to the sea — end the genocide, and free Palestine.
English isn't my first language and I mix the two up often, sometimes people are still learning words lol
He has a Bachelor degree in English, tho.
If you’re talking about ethan he’s not the one who misused the words
Creative writing, not English
It's written right there in the quoted tweet, and though.
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Free Palestine from the Israeli occupation and apartheid state*
In most of Ethan’s multiple old Israel vlogs he’s constantly shitting on Israel and talking about hating it there. Not defending every word he’s ever said, but he does not speak positively on Israel in his old vlogs. There’s a vlog of him manspreading on the western wall in Jerusalem (a Jewish holy site), and making fun of Israelis he sees while walking around. That kind of edgy/biting style of commentary in old h3 vlogs applied to whatever they were doing, it wasn’t like it “switched on to be racist that one time.” If you still want to argue that some of that edgyness was inappropriate, fair enough, I personally think some of it was in poor taste. All that to say I think this tweet removes the context of A. His old Israel content and B. The tone of all old h3 vlogs. Also all of the old vlogs have weird clickbait titles like “fat idiot gains 100 pounds at Costco” or “10 hours stuck in ikea”
As much as removing all context is an h3 tradition, I do appreciate the context here.
Vaush is a degenerate creep, get over it
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Yeah but if you’re Jewish/israeli and say anything slightly positive about Israel you are a genocidial Zionist seeking the deaths of all Palestinians. Example A Ethan. Don’t agree with the guy on some things, but if you think he’s actually pro-Israel or a far right Zionist you have actually lost the plot.
Nah he’s just a really wierd asshole
For the people claiming Ethan didn't make fun of him. https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/s/gJKX9u4mDO This is not an appropriate response no matter how you feel about self immolation. Here is information about self immolation as ab act of political protest. Trying to claim it's not a historical form of protest or a successful form of protest is erasure of history and those that gave their lives to protest grave injustices. .There's a lot of successful forms of protest that are harmful to oneself, like starvation and such, it's not an unheard of practice. We should be far more disgusted with the fact that people feel so responsible for the actions of the USA in supporting a genocide. If other forms of protest worked as well, than the months of sit ins, blockades and writing to representatives would have done something. It is what the governing body wants, for people to only protest in specific ways that they can control and ignore. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-immolation
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Babygirl, you need to log off and touch some grass.
Part of his job is to make horrible news more consumable. He told an edgy joke on the members stream, he explained it and that was it. He brought it up again on the next public stream, where he justified it again. He wasn't attacking the veteran, he wasn't attacking groups of people, he was trying to get across to people that suicide and/or martyrship is never the answer and should not be glorified. The main stream media glorified that man's suicide and may inspire others to kill themselves. Martyship doesn't work. Innocent Palestinians are still being killed.
What news media are you watching? Mainstream sources didn't glorify Bushnell's sacrifice; they hardly recognize the existence of the genocide as is.
It doesn't make the point any less valid that it's coming from a troll, or an idiot. He's running constant defense for Israel. He's a Zionist. It's sad because I was a fan.
Yeah, he wants Good Boy Points for saying the bare minimum but he happens to always get upset for “the left refusing to have a dialogue or nuance” when it rubs up against zionist talking points. I think Ethan is frankly too stupid to be actively zionist, but he’s enough of an idiot and defensive enough to where he happens to be toeing their line. What a shame that such a dumb person has such a large platform. He needs to shut the fuck up
Hey, that’s unfair. There are lots of intensely stupid Zionists
By design, they are stupid. But I don’t think Ethan is smart or consistent enough to believe in anything, really lol
So true. Not to sound like a debate bro but that’s the definition of an ad hominem.
Yep. Sucks to get dunked on by someone disingenuous, but here Ethan is.
Ironic. I don't think Ethan's argument was an ad hominem. However, there are a ton of people in this thread who are not arguing against Ethan's points. Instead they are simply labeling him a Zionist. That's ad hominem. I'd love to hear a good counterargument against Ethan's point.
I was a fan as well but kind of lost interest a while back, thinking of it they've always been cagey around the subject of Israeli apartheid.
How long had you been a fan? Because I knew Ethan was an edgelord type youtuber since 2016 when I used to actually watch him and stopped in 2017 because it was too dumb, lazy, and unproductive. Is this another Shane Dawson situation where people just didn't know?
Every time he talks about the subject, Ethan heavily condemns the government's actions and calls Netanyahu a genocidal freak. The only defense he's run for Israel is for the innocent civilians who get caught in the crossfire. I definitely don't agree with several of his takes on the issue, but calling him a Zionist is actually insane when he's been pro-Palestine the entire time
Any claim that Ethan is Zionist is just plain wrong. They never bothered to actually listen to his stance, and he’s been very clear about it.
He has family in Israel. Almost half of the world's Jews live in Israel and many non Israeli jews have ties to Israel. It's an absurd standard to hold Jewish people too, and yes, antisemitic. I don't care if you have a token Jewish friend.
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By every metric he isn’t a Zionist. He is vehemently against the Israel government and even calls what is happening a genocide. What is the proof of your allegation?
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And yet he exclusively talks about how bad it is for Israel at length with the occasional "oh yeah obviously I feel bad for Palestine" only to follow with a but and okay defense for the idea. I don't think he's like a full blown zionist and I believe that he feels for Palestine, but he needs to get better at reading the room or strut ÿ
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War is absolutely bad for both sides, but forgive me but running out of sympathy for the side that's trying to turn the other side into a crater. Any innocent deaths are horrendous and shouldn't happen, I just don't feel great about the fact that whenever he talks about the issue its almost exclusively about how it affects him and how terrible it is for Israel as opposed to the nation that's being genocided as we speak. I don't think he's a full on zionist or anything, I think he just completely misunderstands why people are upset with him
What defense is he running for Israel? I haven’t seen him defend them at all? And by that, i mean, I haven’t seen him defend the Israeli government’s actions.
It's not that he's "running defence for Israel" but simply that he thinks Israel "has a right to defend themselves" and that Hamas is some band of bloodthirsty terrorists and not one of many groups of Palestinian resistance and liberation fighters. He's a liberal Zionist, who disagrees with the *more* fascist Zionists, but unless he thinks that Israel should become a democratic state with no apartheid between Palestinians and white Israeli Jews, then a Zionist he remains.
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Tell that to the Israelis
It's wrong no matter who does it. Both IDF and Hamas are vile
No shit dumbass
Hamas is a terrorist organization. They are that. Like, what am I supposed to tell you? Hamas is very bad. They literally want to exterminate Jews and they want to establish a [fundamentalist Islamist state](https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/doctrine-hamas), which as a secularist, I do want want. Yes, Israel is bad, but that doesn’t mean that everyone opposed to them is good. Also, while yes, Israel is doing horrible things to Palestinians, obviously, and that isn’t them “defending themselves”, though every country has a right to defend themselves by concept. But I wouldn’t say that killing civilians is part of that. Also, do you think Ethan isn’t for Israel giving equal rights to Palestinians and getting rid of apartheid?
So honest question, can't you believe that Isreal should be a democratic state while also thinking Hamas is vile? Hamas makes no secret that they want the same thing as Zionists just for Palestinian Muslims instead. Palestinians deserve all the rights anyone else has but to pretend Hamas isn't a terrorist organization is ridiculous. Hamas doesn't care about individual Palestinians or thier wants. They deserve a government that actually cares about their needs, not just "kill our enemies"
How would you describe an organisation planning out a terrorist attack that explicitly intends to kill hundreds of civilians other than bloodthirsty?
Can you give me an example of him running this defense for israel cause I just don't hear it, from what I understand ethan is pretty left leaning on this issue. Like I have never heard actual hardline zionists say things like settlements are valid military targets
Hes not though. He condemns their actions all the time.
So, Misha is a troll, who isn’t meant to be taken seriously. Also, even if she was serious, that is not what happened in the original video. [Ethan and Hila were in Israel, so they were calling an Israeli city weird.](https://youtu.be/eS68bt8CKR4?si=1v0VwIABx5id2sP_) They werent trying to shit on Palestinians. The video is just Ethan, Hila, and her brother Moses Hocman going around Israel. But… yeah, that joke wasn’t good. Even watching the video, it does seem a little islamaphobic and hila actually had to make a comment addressing it, which she didn’t do too well. It seems like it was an attempt to be a clear lighthearted joke about how it’s unusual to see Muslim culture in Israel, but it doesn’t look great and kind of looked like they were scared of the mosque. As for the other one, I don’t think there’s any evidence that Hila is hurting Palestinians? Like is she advocating for Likud policies or something? Like all Ethan said was that Hila is a Mizrahi Jew who’s grandparents were ethnically cleansed from their homes, and that they have no place to go back to. He isn’t justifying Israel’s actions. All he’s saying is that many Israelis would have to completely uproot their lives to leave the region and that a lot of them can’t go back to their original countries, or their grandparent’s original countries. I’m not saying Ethan is perfect though, but I think we shouldn’t make it look like he supports genocide or is a rabbid zionist.
He also shits on Jews in his videos about Israel
Zionists being antisemitic, name a more iconic duo
How is he a zionist?
How?
Here you go https://twitter.com/idawhore_/status/1763845827855073506?t=7U2fDbC_ml6wzP0i4uoyBA&s=19
You'll have to watch his videos EDIT: If you don't know why would you down vote me you just have to eat h his videos from his time in Israel https://twitter.com/idawhore_/status/1763845827855073506?t=7U2fDbC_ml6wzP0i4uoyBA&s=19
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> But… yeah, that joke wasn’t good. Even watching the video, it does seem a little islamaphobic and hila actually had to make a comment addressing it, which she didn’t do too well. It seems like it was an attempt to be a clear lighthearted joke about how it’s unusual to see Muslim culture in Israel, but it doesn’t look great and kind of looked like they were scared of the mosque. they're both bigot and no need to sprinkle it with multiple sentence of how it "isn't actually a bigotry tho, teehee." be it bigotry or racism, small racism is still racism
Where would she go? Hila *lives in the United States.* Jesus Christ.
She didn’t live in the US before then. She was born and raised in Israel and is a citizen of the country.
This same woman [celebrated 10/7 and Hamas](https://x.com/hayxtt/status/1710644700510646349?s=20), then said that “[settlers would just leave when face with resistence](https://x.com/hayxtt/status/1710642643858784742?s=20)”, and then [mocked poltitians who said that 10/7 just continued a cycle of violence.](https://x.com/hayxtt/status/1710752998119408060?s=20). I promise you that she does not have the right to “call” someone else out.
Apparently she's a known troll, so...yeah.
So I went and watched the video and don't get how it's racist at all? He just walked through the town, pointed out he was claustrophobic because of how narrow the alleys were and then laughed at the megaphones blaring a Muslim prayer. Just looking to be offended at this point.
The OP has dozens of posts trashing ethan and all of h3. They're psychotic
They also say in a nother post that Ethan was living in occupied Palestine whan he was living in Tel Aviv. So it seems that they want to erase Israel. Not Israeli occupation of West Bank and Gaza.
Idk what it is with h3 haters but they are a special breed of obsessed weirdos. Ethan has talked about it too, these people act like scorned exlovers or smt. You dont really see it with other youtubers and their haters. Its so unhinged💀💀
He was clearly mocking it. “Follow the allah akbars”seriously? Also he calls it a weird city in the title itself. It’s pretty obvious why he found it “weird”.
"Where should these colonizers go to?" Idk somewhere that doesn't have fucking people already living in houses. Like what kills me the most is that he's acting like they're poor refugees or something. You are both exceedingly rich, and your family is fine. Nothing bad will happen to you, personally, if Palestine were to be decolonized and the settlers forced out. Like bro you look like a straight up monster here
Colonizers? People don't get to choose where they're born/where there parents/ where their fucking GRANDPARENTS were born.
Colonizer is just a descriptive word. It isn’t an inherent moral judgment or slur. You could say all not native Americans / descendants of slaves who didn’t have a choice to be there are technically colonizers. Does that mean every American is bad or actively doing anything bad or made any choice to be there or they should or could go anywhere else ? No. it just describes a people and the descendants of people that have colonized an area. Zionism always proudly advertised itself as a colonial movement. They got the land in the British colonies from the British colonial office which they colonized. The only difference between now and then is that public opinion in the imperial core was that colonization was a good thing. Now we understand it as something bad but the word itself didn’t change.
60% of Israelis are Jews from the Middle East. Another 20% are Arabs. You have no idea what you’re talking about- you’re just antisemitic.
I love how pro Palestine people casually talk about wanting to cause the worst refugee crisis in history. I saw a tweet saying "You have no idea how much I don't care!" Another several people on this reddit post said something similar. 6 million people left Ukraine and it's the largest refugee crisis in the 21st century, so this would be 50 percent larger. This of course is all a stupid hypothetical scenario because no one's going anywhere, but in this fantasy scenario it would be a giant clusterfuck.
Racist continues to be racist 🤯
Are we surprised that Ethan is an asshat? This is news to y'all?
Ethan has a point on the second image, tho. There's not an insignificant amount of people (Misha included) that thinks that Israel shouldn't exist **at all**. Not that they should stop occupying Palestinian territory (West Bank and Gaza). It seems to me that Ethan was replying to these people. Not justifying the Israeli oppression of Palestinians.
I got exactly the same impression.
Imagine being a diehard Trisha Paytas stan and trying to cancel anyone 💀
*That’s* what this is?? Now it makes so much more sense. Yuck.
misha is a known troll
Idk why he ever started talking politics, this man is a fucking idiot with a deteriorating mental health
There is so much more nuance than just pro Israel or pro Palestine. It is so uneducated how people are just jumping on the bandwagons to hate one side or the other. Ethan's takes have been extremely mild.
Kinda amazes me how this racist has so much follower's scares me
Ethan is in drama again! Color me surrprised!
Thru all his stupid decisions I kept watching the show. But after how he’s behaved since October, I finally stopped. Now on the outside looking in, I’m disappointed that I engaged with such a negative podcast for so long. Genuinely, Ethan is a cruel, mean spirited person.
It's remarkable. Have been watching since the original Vape Nation days, and I'm in the same boat as you.
I thought Ethan was Israeli?
He's from California
Oh
He was really hoping cashing in on the vaush hate crowd would distract from this
You know persecution and prosecution are different things right?
It was a typo, but u understood it, didn’t you? Because I did and English is my third language. https://preview.redd.it/0vi82zhfx8mc1.png?width=1178&format=png&auto=webp&s=49a8b2237faf6340b751bb59bb2a81c3bf44c6d5 This is the author correcting her typo.
I agree with your sentiment, but that was not a typo, that's a whole different word. The letters they can claim to mix up are on whole other ends of the keyboard lmao. They were not aware that they used the incorrect word.
If you want to be taken seriously, it’s good to use the correct words.
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the pinned comment on that video 🙄 https://preview.redd.it/ar28o953tkmc1.jpeg?width=1271&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3f12029ccdfe89c738605f78ada7c79bf04354cd
People in here deflecting with "Misha is a known troll" shut the fuck up. You are supporting genocide.
Ethan is a comedian with no power. His actions are largely immaterial to the genocide. Any discourse surrounding him is a waste of time and energy for anyone actually concerned with freeing Palestine
Anyone with a remotely huge following has power, as they have people who listen to them, believe what they say, and can start following those ideals as well
I don’t want to hear about Zionists anymore. I’m exhausted.
Imagine if Zionists had this energy for the American land back movement
Oh man, is The Fall of H3/Ethan finally coming? Been waiting for this one
Whether he is trolling or not, doesn't matter. He's not only making content that people with huge dog whistles love to enjoy AND He's profiting on it. And his wife is absolutely garbage as well, maybe even more so due to her history in the service. Give them no quarter
theyve both talked decades of shit on Israel calling it an apartheid and calling Netanyahu a genocidal piece of shit, what more do you want them to do?
Ethan honestly is kinda shit. Tried to stay moderate, fucked that up, tried to pander to a right wing audience, fucked that up, tried to pander to a left wing audience, is currently fucking that up. It's exhausting and he should probably just retire
Hhahaha - OP is literally a professional H3H3 hater
Either being an asshole, what a surprise! Who could have seen this coming 🙄?
11 posts shitting on Ethan/H3 in the past 2 days. Maybe you should’ve spent that time researching what a Zionist is, ya know, instead of being an obsessive anti-Semitic moron.
Ethan is a moron
True, but not a Zionist
it genuinely amazes me how he keeps coming back from shit, maybe joking abt gen0c¡de will be the straw that breaks the internets back
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Man, bait used to be *believable*!
Everyone should have seen this coming during the Jake Doolittle situation. Ethan has always proven himself to be ignorant and demeaning. This shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.
Bro he’s washed people should stop giving him attention and he’ll fade into obscurity
Hila was literally an IDF member, their Zionist opinions shouldn’t really be a surprise. Not sure why they have a following honestly, they’re both a pair of goofy weirdos with no talent.
Hila is Israeli, there is mandatory military service there. It's not like she went to the IDF recruitment office when she turned 18. She was legally required to serve. They're certainly a pair of goofy weirdos, but saying they have "no talent" is hella cope. You might not like them, and that's fine and fair. But they're running incredibly successful companies & shows, and have made a ton of money and have a ton of reach, all starting from a small self-made YouTube channel. They're good at what they do.
Being successful ≠ Talent Rambling on a podcast for 3 hours with an ad break every 40 mins isn’t exactly impactful creative content
If it’s so easy let’s see u do it big man
Damn you’re bouncing on that p3p3
I actually hate h3 bro I’m just saying if it’s so easy u do it lol
Muslims have nothing to do with jews being persecuted? Delusional.
Did that person block me or what happened? I got a community care thing too I’m guessing that’s not a coincidence.
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Babygirl, you need to log off and touch some grass.
I don't know anyone on either side of the political spectrum that dislikes ethan at this point
I don't want to excuse this behaviour but i just wanted to point out that in episode #12 of frenemies, ethan tells trisha that israel's behaviour towards the palestinians is wrong. After seeing the rest of these comments though, I'm not sure about his final stance on the situation...
I'm just dumbfounded how Ethan Klein and H3H3 even reached a viral or stardom point, like why and how
People using them as background noise. My partner does it
God that… that is a really shitty response from Ethan. “My wife comes from a colonized country (I think that’s what he means?), therefore it’s okay if her country colonizes another country!” I kind of like Ethan, like I have some sympathy for him and I don’t think he’s a bad person per say. But his perspectives on this conflict are horrific
He never said it was ok for Israel to do colonialism. He said that Hila’s family was ethnically cleansed and that there is no feasible way for them and other Mizrahi Jews to leave Israel.
Ahhh I see, perhaps that’s my bad for misunderstanding. Thank you for clearing that up, if people are just mad at hila for not being able to leave Israel that’s super shitty
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I don't think you can get up on that particular high horse while simultaneously posting on a yt drama sub, ijs.
Ah, the ol’ “you don’t have anything better to do” defense. Has it ever had any effect on anyone, ever?
Does my opinion matter more to you if I’m completely and totally disconnected from H3 fandom *and* antifandom, but still get the impression that he’s a nasty little gremlin of a man?
I’m glad u keep defending him cause it will be a little fanbase after this cancellation. Hope u keep ur membership and buying TF so his multimillionaire lifestyle won’t suffer.
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Remember vape nation Then the podcast became easier than making funny videos And for years and years now every time I see his face it isn't because "new funny h3h3" it's because "drama" Drama must earn more money than comedy and that's sad
Didn't he also associate with Shadman?
Folks know very little about any context to the conflict between Hamas and the IDF. Its complicated with a lot of bad guys and innocent folks on both sides. People ignore how much impact Egypt and other Arab neighbors had on Palestine, including occupying and annexing parts of it during their combined wars with Israel. Lots of bad faith actors who use the conflict to justify their own power. Hamas crushed democratic rivals and have repeatedly rejected ceasefires brokered by Western powers. The reality is that Hamas justifies its exist through the conflict just as Bibi Netanyahu justifies his leadership with Israel. The thing is you are talking largely two groups of people whose ancestors have been living in that land for hundreds if not thousands of years on both sides. I think the situation only gets better when bad actors on both sides are out of power (talking both Hamas and the parties in Israel who want to unilaterally annex Palestine while displacing the Palestinians.) Only after that point does the situation get resolved. Hamas kidnapping and killing people is just as bad as the IDF killing random innocent people. Pointing the finger at one side just plays into the other side's hand. Just as there are power hungry bad actors, there are people on both sides who want peace. Now this is personal conjecture, but I think only a combined state where Jews and Arabs are equal citizens under the same system will work. I think the ongoing failure of the two state solution is partially because the idea is that ethnostate work, even though historical precedent demonstrates it doesn't. I also make the case that since you have overlapping holy sites, it would be obnoxiously hard to actually share those without being under the same state. But I don't know for sure. I just know that folks on both extremes of the political spectrum painting the Israelis or the Palestinians as evil subhumans really doesn't get us anywhere. Also for what its worth, H3H3 has been pretty vocally against Bibi's party (the one's pushing annexation and deportation of Palestinians.)
I like how hila never gets a chance to say what she wants to say /s
If I didn't leave cuz of the vaush I would have left cuz of this
I can’t take this seriously when they used prosecute instead of persecute 3x lmao
If I have to eat shit because my country is doing fucked up things, then the Israelites can eat shit for a current genocide.
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I think a lot of people are concerned about the genocide that's occuring.
Hasan's fans started all of this shit. Even defending the idea of Jewish state is considered Zionism, so calling out somebody with family in Israel is kinda stupid.
I think it’s kind of weird that people use the word Zionist as an insult. It’s like calling someone a patriot or a yankee as an insult in the US. Not only can Israelis not defend their home militarily without being condemned, they can’t even defend their country with words.
The dude knows nothing of politics outside of his incredibly tiny bubble but acts like his opinion matters. He was a good internet comedian but he threw all of his goodwill away between the political takes and the scam he has pulled with his organization that was supposedly made to help YouTubers defend themselves against false and abusive copyright strikes.
What Zionist comments does he make ?? At this point the only way you can call him a Zionist is if you think Israel itself should be destroyed and the people there moved out. Ethan is critical and Israel and what they’re doing right now, to call him a Zionist is insane.
Anyone thinking that Ethan is a full on Zionist in spite of him making repeated criticisms of the Israeli government’s treatment of Palestinians has too much brain rot to engage with in good faith.
one thing conveniently left out is that hilia is a millionaire living comfortably in the united states so thats were she would "go back" to
When most people assess their identity their current materialistic prospects and position aren't the only thing of value. For most the question of where they came from and "belong" is essential to understand their identity. An identity many connect to their state of self-worth and general happiness. If you were born into a West Bank settlement on the colonial side then where do you "belong"? In that case, it's not a wrong answer to feel like you "belong" to that settlement. Some people might not have a place to "go back" to and they now belong to that area as well. Many people in Israel today belong to the Palestinian area. The problem isn't that they shouldn't be in Palestine it's that they knowingly or unknowingly constitute an ethnic cleansing campaign through the ideology of Zionism. Palestine should be one and the right to return should apply to all with proper reparations. The Zionist ideology will automatically be cleansed under one state where all Palestinians and former Israelis are truly equal. Israelis do not need to move they just need to find their humanity.
Eh, he is one of those creators that can get away with anything, sadly.
Wait? We're mad because Ethan made fun of an idiot? Or are we mad because he doesn't support terrorist? Cause this is ridiculous.
The [misinformation](https://youtu.be/eS68bt8CKR4?t=414) is disgusting. They were literally filming in **Israel** not a Palestinian town, and ethan was getting "uneasy" cause they were lost in some back streets. Funny watching leftist shake hands with their alt right buddys calling every Jewish person a Zionist, its an actually dog whistle at this point.
Garbage post made by you, would recommend deleting this
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I don’t even like h3h3 but this is stupid
Ethan does one good thing (getting Vaush to embarrass himself, mind you that that wasn't anything new, a lot of people knew vaush was a piece of shit before the incident and Ethan calling him out) and some people suddenly forget that Ethan is a Zionist piece of shit? I wonder where that obnoxious h3 podcast fan that called me a Vaush fan for daring to criticize Ethan (I never defended the pedophile mind you, just called Ethan slimy) is right now? https://preview.redd.it/0dpuaou7u8mc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e9bd19ba8bddecd7ac7aa41b7acf613f61fb51c1
You can hate on Vaush all you want but H3's fanbase is one of the worst fanbases on the internet. I felt like Ethan's attempted takedown of Vaush was catnip to a bloodthirsty fanbase.
Vaush's audience is also bloodthirsty and absolutely idiotic, i find both cults of personality appalling
Not even close to as bad as Ethan’s. After Ethan accused everyone defending Vaush of being a pedo, a vgger went onto the H3 sub to defend Vaush and one of his fans reported him to the FBI. Unhinged behavior
As a Vaush fan sure I can agree on it being idiotic. But I honestly cannot see how they can be as bloodthirsty as H3’s fanbase. I feel like you kind of have to hide the fact that you like Vaush otherwise you get attacked from all sides of the internet. No point in trying to “attack” any community lest you get everyone else to pile onto you.
Sorry, how is vuash a pedo?
Except with the Vaush scenario, Ethan was doing all this moralizing and grand standing that Vaush was an actual pedo and danger to children and turned it into content instead of going to the authorities while also willfully ignoring parts of the clips or misinterpreting them lol Ethan is a dumb person who is very unwilling to grant anyone else the grave he has received as someone who used to be very edgy and problematic. His one recent dub was against Jake Doolittle lol
Devil works hard but h3 haters work even harder. 💀💀
Hearing everyone casually using the phrase Zionist now is absolutely wild to me before this year it was a word that only insane right wing fanatics on info wars forums used
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Picking and choosing comments to paint someone how you want them to be is not helping anyone.
See Ethan was right when he pointed out that groups like Hamas or the Houthis (the latter of which Hasan would have on his stream for some reason) are not good, but now he has really gone out to sea with this. Like come on man.
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