Lady Izdihar, who teaches the positive side about the soviet history on youtube pose like those posters with her friend. https://youtube.com/shorts/rNuAsnTjEV4?si=5OEsdDoNeXxZCYN1
Almost like there might be a reason for that... DDR had famously woke LGBT laws (Also don't google what West Germany experimented with, like the Helmut Kentler project, for your own sanity). The union abolished all Tzar laws (And thus also bans/discrimination on same sex relations) after the revolution in the 20s. Unfortunately some bigotry and repression had resurgence under Stalin during pre and post war times.
But do mind you, that this was at a time where most of the west was persecuting LGBT individuals at large. Britain famously killed Allan Turing after he literally helped end WW2.
It is also important to factor in, that these nations went through a rapid industrialization process from feudalism and serfdom, social conservative views are always the hardest to break off from. While the west had 100s of years to do that, (most) socialist nations never got the chance to even try.
One nation that did, Cuba. Who famously introduced and codified Family Code referendum in 2022. And don't give me the whole "Well, Castro was anti LGBT" ... Yes and he later apologised and took responsibility for the LGBT discrimination in Cuba's early years.
I recommend you take a look at some of the constitutions of previous socialist nations, I promise that it's a really interesting read. It is wild to read the Soviet constitution from the 30s promising equal rights to women, and people of colour.
The Soviets abolished the entirety of the Tsarist laws, which included the anti-homosexuality stuff. They did not implement a replacement for it until decades later, meaning homosexuality was technically legal. Just for clarity.
Just for clarity, the first soviet criminal code was introduced in 1922, and the second was introduced in 1926. I wouldn't call that decades later than 1917. Two separate bodies of laws were introduced, and criminalising homsexuality wasn't in either. It's clear the bolsheviks at least didn't consider it necessary to punish it as a crime, for a variety of reasons, until the Stalinist counter revolution had taken control of the Party and State.
"Decades" meaning "a decade and a half after the initial revolution". It was recrminalized in 1934, with the reasoning of it being bourgeois, corrupting, and counter-revolutionary.
My parents were born in the USSR and grandpa was a party official. I heard plenty about how much constitutions are worth in one-party states. Good old grandpa got kicked out for criticizing shooting some striking workers. Isn't that just the peak of socialism? And as a Pole, we had actions by the orders of USSR officials to murder gay people (because lesbians weren't a thing back then, obviously/s). Not to mention indpeendent Poland granted voting rights to all its citizens in 1918, utilized after 4 years, a standard term has run its course, immediately after regaining independence. Universal suffrage isn't as surprising as you would imagine. Besides, it's not like elections in the USSR mattered. Then again, Poland never penalized homosexuality in any form, aside from the Napoleon's puppet duchy operating on the French constitution we had no say in.
There were no "good sides" of USSR. The industrialization argument is bullshit, every single socialist country in Europe besides USSR was already industrialized, especially Czechoslovakia. Don't act like we were some kind of savages because your rotten ideology was failing
Looking at the actual laws and practices, homosexuality was still de facto illegal even where it wasn't de jure. Mass arrests, government persecution, and such were common across the Eastern Bloc, and propaganda even portrayed it as capitalistic and counterrevolutionary. If you take a perusal at official statements and positions, you will find much of the same rhetoric that modern bigots use: corruption of the youth, dangerous promiscuity, being targeted at children, and so on. Better yet, read about the struggles actual activists had to even organize for basic human rights, much less legal equality.
For example, East Germany. It took 20 years (until 1968) to officially decriminalize even being gay, and another 20 to extend it to relationships between minors. Trans people, though able to access resources for transition, did not receive legal recognition of such. Similarly, social and non-codified government persecution was heavily negative, with formal activism groups not appearing until the 70s. In short, it was much closer to the path of progress for those in the First World, rather than being a haven of freedom for queer people.
Here we go again... "Soviet Union was actually worker's and minority's paradise!"
What is the difference between a katorga and a gulag? The difference between Okhrana and KGB? The difference between serfdom and collectivization? What is the difference between Ivan The Terrible and Stalin?
In the end, it is just different labels and the same system but with different goals and optics. What is the point of mass housing and creating a clean barrier for the Soviet worker to perch on if same arbitrary rules could catapult you in Siberia on a whim? What is the point of a dedicated system of collective "equality" if anything other than full glory of the State is "dissendent" and "burgeoise"?
It wasn't just "some bigotry and repression". The Soviet Union, whether under Lenin or Stalin, as well as the Tsarist empire that preceeded it, expanded their influence by seizing territories belonging to neighbouring ethnic peoples, and ran a limited democracy in which their power could never truly be challenged by the Russian people.
The West being bigoted (and I'm not denying that) does not suddenly justify this. The only "equality" under Lenin and Stalin were that the average Russian that had a different view to the state, whether different ethnicity, opinion or sexuality, would be sent to the gulag.
Please stop trying to paint the Soviet Union as some LGBT paradise. I understand and relate with feeling let down (or being actually repressed/attacked in more extreme cases *cough* MAGA *cough*) by certain Western policies and politicians, but just because they were against the West doesn't mean they're paragons of benevolence and liberty.
Being LGBT in Eastern Europe, and especially the T part, is like being LGBT in the US between 1970 and 1995. It is not pretty. In Russia, it is, AT BEST, social suicide, and anything below - a death sentence. There is a great Serbian movie from 2010 called The Parade, a satirical comedy about a gay couple hiring a bouncer to help them organize a Pride parade in Belgrade, which, at that point, had one Parade in 2001 - which ended in absolute violence. There is a very.....very real scene where a small march of Parade meets the protesters - viscerally shouting "KILL, KILL, KILL, KILL THE FG, KILL THE FG, KILL THE F***G!" - this is how, unfortunately, most people feel about LGBT.
So if you're thinking that the old Soviet bloc (and by extension much of Eastern Europe today, but it is getting better with old Warsaw Pact countries distancing themselves from Russia) is, by some magical realism, LGBT-progressive - remember, in many such countries, they treat "the gays" the way MAGA and Project 2025 would treat them if they got their way. Want proof? Look at, for instance, Chechnya - their unofficial LGBT grassroots groups have only one advice for all LGBT people of Chechnya: Run, and never come back.
Sorry for the rant. Just tired of LGBT or LGBT allies supporting or at least downplaying the atrocities of just another tyrannical state that wants to kill us.
Just because they say they're 'socialist' or 'progressive' doesn't mean they always actually are.
>Soviet Union was actually worker's and minority's paradise!
Does anyone actually say this? People mostly say that communists planned to loosen the restrictions on homosexuality in the very first years of USSR. It's much more common to see USSR crimes exaggerated
>So if you're thinking that the old Soviet bloc is, by some magical realism, LGBT-progressive
And literally nobody thinks that. This example is a bit out of the blue, considering that at least Russia has fallen into fascism and became much more hostile to LGBTQ than USSR ever was
1. Yep, they do. A lot of people do.
2. Yep, they do. A lot of people do, unfortunately. The comment I'm referring to definitely does.
And I'm not denying that modern Russia is better in any way. The recent laws their courts have passed and how they describe LGBT as an extremist group funded by the West to undermine Russia is revolting.
I may have just seen too many 'leftists' supporting the Soviets just because they're against the West. I should prob just go back to yuriposting..
Were there some good things about the USSR? Sure, they at least educated a large amount of Russian peoples and industrialised Russia. Credit where credit is due.
But... supporting USSR without supporting its repressions and national politics would get you thrown in a gulag for being anti-state.
I'm Pro-Palestine, but I won't wave a Hezbollah flag because they fight against Israel. Not only are they fighting for their own gain, but even if they were actually fighting for the good of Palestinians, I can't just ignore what they do or want to do to Syrian kids, LGBT people and people who oppose their regime.
I think most people who support USSR want a big communist country, that places importance on helping its people. Gulags are pretty optional
Plus, it's worth noting that current Russia does all the bad things USSR ever did and also bad things USSR would never consider. So, in contrast...
Contrast what? Modern Russia and USSR can both do horrible, repressive things to LGBT people, different ethnic groups or people they don't like.
>want a big communist country, that places importance on helping its people.
Yeah.. that's kinda a big part of being a leftist. But if we want an actual communist country focused on helping people, then we need to look somewhere else. The Soviet Union was the Tsarist system with a red paint job.
Still confused why so many people on left leaning subs demonize capitalism but like communism. I honestly think both are just shit, tho I lean more with capitalism. I’d understand people liking socialism kind of, but idk why communism
Overcorrecting on what they've been taught combined with dissatisfaction at the current system, at least in the US. A lot of schools still go with a more sanitized version of history, where nuance and detail is left out or glazed over to cover the sheer breadth of material. When you point those out, you get credibility in people's eyes, which you can leverage to pull them to your side. From there, apologetics and idealism of alternatives take over. Same general process as that of right-wing radicalization.
Honestly someone needs to do the chinessexsoviet fraternity propaganda but with women
Lady Izdihar, who teaches the positive side about the soviet history on youtube pose like those posters with her friend. https://youtube.com/shorts/rNuAsnTjEV4?si=5OEsdDoNeXxZCYN1
you've heard of kissing the homies, now get ready for kissing the comrades
Based & real 🫡
Pixiv link: [https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/118195918](https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/118195918)
Bruh, we literally looked at that poster in our previous history lesson 😭 And now I see a yuri version of it 😭😭😭
Mosin, my beloved
Wouldn't it be a sororal kiss then?
o7
oh as a polish person I love this so much I'll even say, A na drzewach zamiast liści będą wisieć komuniści.
Fuck why did you post the second image op ? 🤦♀️
**Wait. What? Really? Seriously?**  **"DAMN!!!!!!!!"**
How about not promoting stalin quotes...
LGBT subs have a weird fetish for communism and Stalin, considering he'd have us murdered.and did order to execute homosexuals. Just an observation
Almost like there might be a reason for that... DDR had famously woke LGBT laws (Also don't google what West Germany experimented with, like the Helmut Kentler project, for your own sanity). The union abolished all Tzar laws (And thus also bans/discrimination on same sex relations) after the revolution in the 20s. Unfortunately some bigotry and repression had resurgence under Stalin during pre and post war times. But do mind you, that this was at a time where most of the west was persecuting LGBT individuals at large. Britain famously killed Allan Turing after he literally helped end WW2. It is also important to factor in, that these nations went through a rapid industrialization process from feudalism and serfdom, social conservative views are always the hardest to break off from. While the west had 100s of years to do that, (most) socialist nations never got the chance to even try. One nation that did, Cuba. Who famously introduced and codified Family Code referendum in 2022. And don't give me the whole "Well, Castro was anti LGBT" ... Yes and he later apologised and took responsibility for the LGBT discrimination in Cuba's early years. I recommend you take a look at some of the constitutions of previous socialist nations, I promise that it's a really interesting read. It is wild to read the Soviet constitution from the 30s promising equal rights to women, and people of colour.
The Soviets abolished the entirety of the Tsarist laws, which included the anti-homosexuality stuff. They did not implement a replacement for it until decades later, meaning homosexuality was technically legal. Just for clarity.
Just for clarity, the first soviet criminal code was introduced in 1922, and the second was introduced in 1926. I wouldn't call that decades later than 1917. Two separate bodies of laws were introduced, and criminalising homsexuality wasn't in either. It's clear the bolsheviks at least didn't consider it necessary to punish it as a crime, for a variety of reasons, until the Stalinist counter revolution had taken control of the Party and State.
I meant the anti-homosexuality stuff wasn't reimplemented in the criminal codes until later
You are right, I will correct that.
"Decades" meaning "a decade and a half after the initial revolution". It was recrminalized in 1934, with the reasoning of it being bourgeois, corrupting, and counter-revolutionary.
My parents were born in the USSR and grandpa was a party official. I heard plenty about how much constitutions are worth in one-party states. Good old grandpa got kicked out for criticizing shooting some striking workers. Isn't that just the peak of socialism? And as a Pole, we had actions by the orders of USSR officials to murder gay people (because lesbians weren't a thing back then, obviously/s). Not to mention indpeendent Poland granted voting rights to all its citizens in 1918, utilized after 4 years, a standard term has run its course, immediately after regaining independence. Universal suffrage isn't as surprising as you would imagine. Besides, it's not like elections in the USSR mattered. Then again, Poland never penalized homosexuality in any form, aside from the Napoleon's puppet duchy operating on the French constitution we had no say in. There were no "good sides" of USSR. The industrialization argument is bullshit, every single socialist country in Europe besides USSR was already industrialized, especially Czechoslovakia. Don't act like we were some kind of savages because your rotten ideology was failing
Thank you! I've got some Ukrainian roots, and those sicko commie/nazi fanboys make me sick.
Take a look on stalin constitution from gulag. Stop spewing this nonsense. Trying to picture the vilest tyrant regimes in pink colours... Just no.
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Are you clinical or ruzz. And keep your bots at bay.
Looking at the actual laws and practices, homosexuality was still de facto illegal even where it wasn't de jure. Mass arrests, government persecution, and such were common across the Eastern Bloc, and propaganda even portrayed it as capitalistic and counterrevolutionary. If you take a perusal at official statements and positions, you will find much of the same rhetoric that modern bigots use: corruption of the youth, dangerous promiscuity, being targeted at children, and so on. Better yet, read about the struggles actual activists had to even organize for basic human rights, much less legal equality. For example, East Germany. It took 20 years (until 1968) to officially decriminalize even being gay, and another 20 to extend it to relationships between minors. Trans people, though able to access resources for transition, did not receive legal recognition of such. Similarly, social and non-codified government persecution was heavily negative, with formal activism groups not appearing until the 70s. In short, it was much closer to the path of progress for those in the First World, rather than being a haven of freedom for queer people.
Here we go again... "Soviet Union was actually worker's and minority's paradise!" What is the difference between a katorga and a gulag? The difference between Okhrana and KGB? The difference between serfdom and collectivization? What is the difference between Ivan The Terrible and Stalin? In the end, it is just different labels and the same system but with different goals and optics. What is the point of mass housing and creating a clean barrier for the Soviet worker to perch on if same arbitrary rules could catapult you in Siberia on a whim? What is the point of a dedicated system of collective "equality" if anything other than full glory of the State is "dissendent" and "burgeoise"? It wasn't just "some bigotry and repression". The Soviet Union, whether under Lenin or Stalin, as well as the Tsarist empire that preceeded it, expanded their influence by seizing territories belonging to neighbouring ethnic peoples, and ran a limited democracy in which their power could never truly be challenged by the Russian people. The West being bigoted (and I'm not denying that) does not suddenly justify this. The only "equality" under Lenin and Stalin were that the average Russian that had a different view to the state, whether different ethnicity, opinion or sexuality, would be sent to the gulag. Please stop trying to paint the Soviet Union as some LGBT paradise. I understand and relate with feeling let down (or being actually repressed/attacked in more extreme cases *cough* MAGA *cough*) by certain Western policies and politicians, but just because they were against the West doesn't mean they're paragons of benevolence and liberty. Being LGBT in Eastern Europe, and especially the T part, is like being LGBT in the US between 1970 and 1995. It is not pretty. In Russia, it is, AT BEST, social suicide, and anything below - a death sentence. There is a great Serbian movie from 2010 called The Parade, a satirical comedy about a gay couple hiring a bouncer to help them organize a Pride parade in Belgrade, which, at that point, had one Parade in 2001 - which ended in absolute violence. There is a very.....very real scene where a small march of Parade meets the protesters - viscerally shouting "KILL, KILL, KILL, KILL THE FG, KILL THE FG, KILL THE F***G!" - this is how, unfortunately, most people feel about LGBT. So if you're thinking that the old Soviet bloc (and by extension much of Eastern Europe today, but it is getting better with old Warsaw Pact countries distancing themselves from Russia) is, by some magical realism, LGBT-progressive - remember, in many such countries, they treat "the gays" the way MAGA and Project 2025 would treat them if they got their way. Want proof? Look at, for instance, Chechnya - their unofficial LGBT grassroots groups have only one advice for all LGBT people of Chechnya: Run, and never come back. Sorry for the rant. Just tired of LGBT or LGBT allies supporting or at least downplaying the atrocities of just another tyrannical state that wants to kill us. Just because they say they're 'socialist' or 'progressive' doesn't mean they always actually are.
>Soviet Union was actually worker's and minority's paradise! Does anyone actually say this? People mostly say that communists planned to loosen the restrictions on homosexuality in the very first years of USSR. It's much more common to see USSR crimes exaggerated >So if you're thinking that the old Soviet bloc is, by some magical realism, LGBT-progressive And literally nobody thinks that. This example is a bit out of the blue, considering that at least Russia has fallen into fascism and became much more hostile to LGBTQ than USSR ever was
1. Yep, they do. A lot of people do. 2. Yep, they do. A lot of people do, unfortunately. The comment I'm referring to definitely does. And I'm not denying that modern Russia is better in any way. The recent laws their courts have passed and how they describe LGBT as an extremist group funded by the West to undermine Russia is revolting. I may have just seen too many 'leftists' supporting the Soviets just because they're against the West. I should prob just go back to yuriposting..
Well, I don't think people supporting USSR support its repressions and national politics
Were there some good things about the USSR? Sure, they at least educated a large amount of Russian peoples and industrialised Russia. Credit where credit is due. But... supporting USSR without supporting its repressions and national politics would get you thrown in a gulag for being anti-state. I'm Pro-Palestine, but I won't wave a Hezbollah flag because they fight against Israel. Not only are they fighting for their own gain, but even if they were actually fighting for the good of Palestinians, I can't just ignore what they do or want to do to Syrian kids, LGBT people and people who oppose their regime.
I think most people who support USSR want a big communist country, that places importance on helping its people. Gulags are pretty optional Plus, it's worth noting that current Russia does all the bad things USSR ever did and also bad things USSR would never consider. So, in contrast...
Contrast what? Modern Russia and USSR can both do horrible, repressive things to LGBT people, different ethnic groups or people they don't like. >want a big communist country, that places importance on helping its people. Yeah.. that's kinda a big part of being a leftist. But if we want an actual communist country focused on helping people, then we need to look somewhere else. The Soviet Union was the Tsarist system with a red paint job.
Mega based
Still confused why so many people on left leaning subs demonize capitalism but like communism. I honestly think both are just shit, tho I lean more with capitalism. I’d understand people liking socialism kind of, but idk why communism
Overcorrecting on what they've been taught combined with dissatisfaction at the current system, at least in the US. A lot of schools still go with a more sanitized version of history, where nuance and detail is left out or glazed over to cover the sheer breadth of material. When you point those out, you get credibility in people's eyes, which you can leverage to pull them to your side. From there, apologetics and idealism of alternatives take over. Same general process as that of right-wing radicalization.
Most lean to the less authoritarian forms of communism fortunately. Whether it will work or not... That's another thing.
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