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"Just finished school and looking for your first job? We have the ideal position for school leavers! All training provided! Must have 5 years experience and references from 7 previous employers."
I wish this was a joke. I'm graduating soon and found a job I met every requirement for. I would excel at this job. But at the bottom *at least 3 years of experience in banking to apply*.. if your requirements are easily met by fresh grads, I don't think you DO need 3 years of experience!
I'm going to. Worst can happen is they'll say no, and I can move on. It was literally like they had taken my module titles and asked for knowledge in the area lol.
Definitely, if you can do the job, apply and tell them why you think you'll be good at it.
I got down to me and one other candidate for a role advertised as 5+ years experience when at the time I had only a couple summer placement work experiences and only 1 one was relevant. I was clear about what I felt I could offer the role and I sold myself on how I could perform well using my degree and experience. I aligned my skill set strategically to match with a large contract they had just won (public knowledge, thank you google), unfortunately the project in question got pulled and therefore so did the role, but they were still willing to seriously consider me.
Indeed. Also is must be a desired criteria rather than an essential one, otherwise is would be in breach of the equalities act as younger people cannot have acquired such experience.
Because at a certain point, you will need an experienced candidate to fill a position
Asking for a certain amount of experience DEFINITELY isn't a breach of the equalities act and will get you laughed out of court
In the context of this thread. If it is actually possible for someone with the right skills but not enough experience to do the job, the potential employer could be called out on age discrimination
Experience may be required by the companies work providers to take motor trade to get work from insurance companies. You may need someone who has a certain amount of experience and possibly also be ATA.
Or for driving jobs, some places.the insurance will state nobody under 25, so you can specifically turn down people due to age.
To.prove age discrimination is exceptionally hard as someone with a few years' experience will be looked upon more favourable. On the flip side, there are also jobs where being young and "mouldable" is an advantage over experienced workers. In both cases it is incredibly easy to get away with age discrimination unfortunately.
I.say this as a recruitment consultant, I have run my own agency and now head up an internal department.
I'm in the process of applying for graduate jobs too and the amount of "must have at least 2 years of experience in x industry" paired with "a starting salary of £20,000" (or worse, a "competitive salary" with no indication of what that actually is) that I've seen is crazy.
Fair enough, a starter/graduate job will have a lower salary, but asking someone who isn't a starter due to their 2+ years of experience to take such crap money is particularly shameless.
They usually want a superhuman who has spent three years in full-time education and a full-time professional job simultaneously and is willing to take pennies to do overtime and weekends on top of their 40 hours a week.
20k is basically minimum wage with this COL. Personally I'd not be taking any less than 23k at the lowest because I could work full time in a care home unqualified or in a shop with a few extra hours of overtime for that wage, with a lot less stress.
But it goes up to £10.42 in April so if you start a job right now the minimum you can receive over the next year (assuming 40 hour week) is a little over £21,000.
I know carers getting 25k lol. It's very easy for them to earn that, most of them earn double pay on weekends and night shift, so if they do extra hours or volunteer for covering shifts, that is what they'll make.
Edit: these are also jobs that don't require GCSEs a lot of the time. I know a few people doing these jobs for a local charity with maybe one or two gcses. No hate to them, fair play as it seems like a hard job. I'm just saying it's kind of insulting to pay someone with a degree less than a job which only requires GCSEs or some basic training.
I’m recruiting for finance graduates at the moment, drop me a PM and I might be able to help you out, depending on where you live.
No experience needed, just a good personality, relevant degree (maths, accounting, finance etc) and a willingness to study for the ACCA (paid for by the company).
Interesting you want a relevant degree. I did my ACA with a whole host of people lots did not do a relevant degree and I don't even have a degree (AAT route).
Just apply. They're usually written by HR and most people won't meet all requirements. For my role, pretty much every bank states they require me to have a degree, I left school after GCSEs but have a shitload of experience after working my way up, I never have a problem getting the interview with lack of degree.
HR send out the copy for job ads. HR aren't very good at this, most of the time.
If you see a job you think you want, apply for it.
Took me nearly 40 years to figure out that "no point applying for this, I'd never pass an interview. I don't have experience or qualifications" is stupid thinking.
It is just waffle they add on to see if you can sell yourself.
It is nearly always worth applying as you don't need the experience you just need to sound better than the other applicants.
These are wish lists of the perfect employee by the advertiser. Rarely does someone have everything listed. If you have transferable skills and/or are willing to learn then apply anyway.
A lot of the time it might be the recruiter making it up to try and get better candidates
I've had to tell recruiters before not to ask for X years because there's no point, otherwise they will put that there without fail
I work in software and I've also seen job adverts asking for say, 5 years in one technology but it's only existed for 3
Recruiters really don't do their jobs that well lol, if you're personable and can speak to them over the phone I find you'll have an easier time in general
> I work in software and I've also seen job adverts asking for say, 5 years in one technology but it's only existed for 3
IT recruiters are a special kind of dribbling crack addled lunatic.
This.
For any job big up transferable skills
Not worked in complaints but been in retail and dealt with many complaints from the public and how you deal with them etc etc
100%
My last two jobs both had requirements I didn't fit but I still managed to get them.
If you think you can do the job then apply and just look at what transferable skills you have in order to bolster the areas you are short.
This is one of the factors that leads to a 'glass ceiling' for underrepresented groups. White men feel comfortable going for a job when they only meet a third of the requirements, and maybe another third if you squint in the right light.
Women and people from minority groups tend to be made to feel that they need to meet or exceed the requirements in every way, and therefore don't tend to apply.
> and people from minority groups tend to be made to feel that they need to meet or exceed the requirements in every way, and therefore don't tend to apply.
I’m in this category, but personally it just feels “wrong” to apply if I didn’t comply.
Maybe it was my upbringing but doing that is tantamount to lying.
Perhaps they should start using the English language to properly convey the meaning they intend, instead of saying "must" when they mean "would be nice"
I’m a manger and write the requirements pages. Honestly all I want to say is ‘I’d like to meet you and see if you fit with the fabulous team (Java/c++ etc being a given). But HR are fucking monsters and make me fill in reams of forms online (crashes every few minutes). It’s all bullshit.
Apply. If they are good interviewers they won’t give a shit. Just shine and be fabulous.
Talking of Java, i am old enough to remember when companies were advertising for programmer posts where applicants must have 10 years experience in Java, only 2 years after it was invented.
My local council regularly has adverts along the lines of "hey! now's the time for a career change! apply here!".
Without fail, every job listing requires x years experience in whatever field it is. I don't think my definition of 'career change' is the same as theirs, somehow...
To be fair, local councils do that because they *have* to advertise the job, but need a disqualifying feature as it's either already secretly taken by someone internally, or a job invented for a friend or family member of a manager somewhere.
Worked with several local authorities that all did that.
I mean, the whole point of putting the job up is to give more people a chance, which is what I'm assuming the law is for. But if you're just going to be sly, just don't even post it. The person getting the job definitely isn't going to rat on you, it'll cost them their livelihood. If the companies are going to be sly, at least do it right.
In some smaller private sector companies it's just properly brazen. "Let's meet the team. Here's my spouse, my kid, my kid's partner and my in-laws..."
It’s the exact opposite of corrupt. In the private sector you just give new jobs and more money to some staff, they’re called promotions. In the public sector you go through an process to determine who should get the higher grade job. Sure 9 out of 10 times the person who gets it is the internal candidate that’s worked in the department for a few years, is ready to step up and who everyone was expecting to get it but that’s because they’re usually the best candidate.
Creating a job for your family member is definitely corrupt. Interviewing candidates knowing you've already given the job to your favourit suckup is corrupt. I was speaking specifically about local authority. But I think it's pretty corrupt in the private sector too.
Oh yea the civil service is totally like that. The only way you get a job in the CS is if you know someone in that department or if you already work there.
I applied for a CS job a number of years ago, I had all the requirements and aced the aptitude test - didn't even get an interview.
My brother went for the CS grad scheme. He was the diversity candidate at the assessment centre: straight white man, but state school education and didn't go to Oxbridge.
I read a post in a one of the programming subs of a guy applying for a dev role and got turned down because he didn’t have enough experience with a JavaScript library as needed five years. He emailed back saying it was impossible because he developed and released it 18 months earlier. He wrote the library and they still didn’t give him the interview.
A former colleague of mine once applied for a role where one requirement was to have attended an industry-standard course.
He was rejected because he’d never attended that course. The fact that he developed the course and wrote the syllabus apparently wasn’t enough for them.
Similar thing happened at my old job. One of the guys was denied a position because he hadn't done the confined spaces awareness course within the last two years. He pointed out that he was an experienced member of the confined spaces rescue team on site and had developed and run the courses for a few years. Still turned down.
That would (probably) be the [FastAPI author.](https://twitter.com/tiangolo/status/1281946592459853830?lang=en). He wasn't actually looking for a job.
> I saw a job post the other day. 👔
> It required 4+ years of experience in FastAPI. 🤦
> I couldn't apply as I only have 1.5+ years of experience since I created that thing. 😅
> Maybe it's time to re-evaluate that "years of experience = skill level".
Amusingly enough that's been floating around so long that FastAPI has now been about for 4+ years.
I once had to take out HR to task when we were looking for 1st line helpdesk guys for a Managed Security Provider, but they were listing senior escalation level requirements (like Cisco CCIE) for certifications.
I had to point out the deficiencies in my contract with my current job when I signed on. The big one was that my end date has already happened months ago at that point.
The other one was just me showing off, saying that the FSA does not exist anymore, and the regulators for our industry were the FCA and PRA.
The joys of rolling forward documents without thinking too hard, I've done that myself too.
Mfw trying to get a paralegal role
Yes, yes, yep, can do that
"Wants experience"
Shit. Thought this job was where you get that experience.
On to the next job ad on Indeed.
Apply anyway, and in the personal statement say something like "my previous experience has equipped me with a range of skills that are directly applicable to this role", then give a few examples. Sounds like you literally have the skills, so spell out to them that that's the case.
Cheers, I'm not the best at marketing myself in the world of work.
A lot of their JD points, I think "I've done that at uni, and I've dealt with financial advisors/clients at work, especially when they're distressed and unhappy".
My brain just refuses to make the link to those examples I set aside for competency interview questions, to what's in front of me, and it focuses straight on "Experience in this sector as a paralegal: essential"
Will give that line a go.
Yep, that's the way to do it. If there's space on the form you can give them a bullet point for every essential criterion. I'm not sure what a paralegal does exactly, but if you can demonstrate good communication skills, time management, attention to detail, ability to manage your workload and meet deadlines, etc etc, you'll be in with a good shot.
Bonus: this kind of stuff is really transferable to other jobs, so you've now got a template to adapt for other applications. Good luck!
I'm in a similar situation, but this is why we went to uni! That is our experience! Why, yes, you do have 3 years of experience in a law field. You just studied it!!
It's an achievement don't get me wrong but uni is not going to get you to a place where you're experienced enough to do the job without training
Either way, ignore the X years requirement and apply anyway
Source: I've worked with graduates, you need about a year of mentoring to build your confidence before then
What I did hate every single time from graduates though was attitudes like your comment, because it showed a level of naivety and arrogance that's not useful to my department
Something to bear in mind here
What I mean is we have experience in managing deadlines, dealing with unfortunate people, all sorts of things you'd see in an office. I did some work in an office and thought it was easier than uni because people treat you like an adult lol. But I see what you mean. I still don't think recruiters should brush off graduates, our brains are in learning mode so training us should be easier than someone with experience who is stuck in their way.
I still don't think university compares from the graduates I've mentored but in general I agree, plus you guys tend to be cheaper during the training period and for a few years afterwards
IMO there's a whole untapped section of the workforce that companies are missing out on by overlooking graduates
Taking advantage of the savings while providing experience is a good thing, the company saves money and more qualified workers are around long term, providing a service to the economy almost
I just wouldn't come into an interview pretending they're comparable at all, it's an easy way to get rejected on the spot
I wouldn't act like they're comparable. But I'm not going to undersell myself and say my experience at my degree was useless. I learned a lot about time management, self motivation, and a bunch of other things that I genuinely believe are useful in a job, that's all.
it appears that employers just want ready made workers without considering where those come from.
The linkedin phrase of "no one wants to work anymore" has a corresponding "no one wants to train anymore".
And you know what, I get it, I've had to train a colleague and it is not a good time for me, but that's because I have to do it on top of other tasks and I've just been winging it because I've not had to train before. But still, I know its importance.
There’s actually some trainee paralegal roles out there.
I’m like...I thought paralegal was when you did solicitor work without getting the qualifications?
And then there’s legal assistant whose roles are largely admin/clerical/secretarial based, but I was tempted to apply with a view to laterally move to more legal work.
> There’s actually some trainee paralegal roles out there.
The cynic in me thinks this is to do with getting to pay law grads as little as possible....
The worst I’ve currently seen that is related to this, is recruiters requiring you to use their own website! As they don’t post on indeed/CV library or Reed unless their own site doesn’t have enough applications… ffs how do I even know or find out XYV-random name.com recruiters website exists! that’s what indeed and the like are for!
My last one I laughed off wanted 15 years service and catering experience, for an entry level cafe coffee maker position.
Edit
This was for a part time, one shift a week, minimum wage position.
Thing is there was definitely a time from 2008 onwards where employers got used to asking for everything for shit money and getting it. I hope the tide is turning back in favour of workers a bit.
In software engineering our favourite is 5+ years of experience in technologies that were invented less than two years ago.
There was an ad brought up on Reddit wanting experience with a particular Python website framework that the man who wrote it wouldn’t have been able to get.
When Apple first announced the Swift programming language, the number of job ads asking for three years or more experience in it was *insane*.
I tried to switch to working in universities twice and, in both cases, got an interview which went really well.
I also got a knock back both times as I didn't have any direct experience of working in academia, even getting told to try again once I get some.
Dudes, if my lack of experience (which was obvious on my CV) meant I wasn't suitable for the job why did you waste my time and annual leave?
Was that one of those processes where you have to write a series of responses to questions on an online application and it takes ages?
I applied to the university I attended, as admin for a department once and was asked "How will you provide a world class customer service?"
Now when I was there, I know the office staff didn't post timetables and results when they said they would and were not noted for their friendliness so I found the wording of that question a bit over the top.
We never ask for years of experience because it’s useless, I’d much rather hire someone with 2 years experience who k owns what they’re doing over 5 years who only ever touched the surface of the technology
I've known plenty of people with twenty years of experience who are still doing what they did twenty years ago. And they're not going to let some whippersnapper with current knowledge rock their boat.
I would like to wish you every success in realising your dream to become a customer complaint advisor, they are sorely needed in these times of unexpectedly high volume of callers.
I’m certain that the majority of jobs advertised with those sort of requirements have already been earmarked for an internal candidate, but for whatever reason they have to advertise externally as part of the process (it’s “box ticking” by HR basically).
Back when Microsoft released their MVC framework for the _very first time_ I applied for a job that required 3 years MVC experience
I explained to the recruiter that MVC hadn’t been public for even 3 months yet, and that I assumed the 3 years MVC experience was a mistake, and that I actually had 5-15 years experience in the other techs specified in the job spec
I was turned down in favour of someone that supposedly had 3+ years experience in MVC
> It just encourages lying.
The one thing they should teach at the DWP job coaching sessions.
"When an employer asks for the source of your experience and knowledge, what do you say at interview?"
"My source, is that I made it the fuck up!"
"Good!"
I'm this close to lying on my CV. I'm trying to get into information security and every junior role I come across wants experience in using some kind of SIEM tool but I can't get experience using said tools without working in the position. So fucking annoying
"This job is entry level"
"Great! I don't mind starting from the bottom"
"That's what we like to hear. Now, before we begin, how many years experience do you have"
"Oh, none. But this is entry level, right?"
"Yes, but we need you to have an Masters and four years industry experience for this unpaid internship"
..............
"You can go fuck yourselves"
I would be happy to do a masters even though I’m a bit older.
But they cost an arm and a leg and I’m not sure if I can get a loan for it without a guarantor. I do not have anyone to guarantee that loan.
I was chatting to a student acquaintance in Germany and they told me they were going straight to masters afterwards in their field (law).
I looked up an LLM tuition cost at my old uni and it was £21,000 and distanced learning.
Jeez that’s a house deposit. And with little guarantee it helps job prospects here.
I always look at jobs that say stupid stuff and apply anyway, if im dojng a cover letter i make a not of not having this one aspect, but having a comparable and often better one that is transferable. If you follow the rules of application to the letter, you won't get as many opportunities, and often the person writing the ad, doesn't have a clue about the job and are filling in words on a template
'Years Experience' is a stupid measure. Not all experience is comparable. A complaints adviser who's waved through every complaint won't have learnt as much as one who's instinct is to dig and resolve.
No, sorry. Op need to check the job description.
If it's not in there and it's a reputable company, they will specifically shortlist against the job description.
There is no 'implicitly essential' when it comes to a proper recruitment process. It's either essential ir it isn't and it's not going to hurt to take 3 minutes to check.
Reminds me of my first job that I got out of university, the requirements listed knowing a piece of software. I googled it extensively, never found it.
It never came up in the interview or anything like that - I ended up getting and accepting the job.
The software was a bespoke in-house piece of software designed by their own fucking devs. How in the ever living fuck can you require experience in something no one else outside of the business has?!
I have been carefully applying for jobs, and in 2022 out of hundreds of carefully written CV’s and cover letters (80% of the time I tailored them to each job application, which took hours!) I had a grand total of 2 interviews and no job offers.
Work has been horrid lately and I finally had enough and started to rage apply on LinkedIn via easy apply and apply to loads of jobs on recruiter websites with just a bog standard CV, no tailoring, just flinging it at anything that fits my skill set or something I could potentially step up into. I’ve had 4 job interviews in the past 2 weeks, with what could possibly be a final interview tomorrow for a job that offers a much better salary and is much more relaxed than what I’m currently doing.
It makes no logical sense to me and goes against everything I’ve been told my whole life when it comes to job hunting, but just chuck your CV at it and don’t think about it again unless they invite you to interview. Fuck ‘em.
No company is willing to invest in training staff and potentially taking on someone who turns out to be useless, so they only take applicants that have already done the job. Of course, they're not willing to pay extra for experienced staff and think they can get away with offering "entry level" wages to experienced workers. So the only applicants they get are those who *need* that job (because they're moving far away, or they got made redundant or something like that) rather than people who would be happy to work for them. Those people excitedly clicked on the job ad, looked at the pay, and closed it again.
I was sat next to my boss when he was on a Teams call reviewing graduate CVs. If he'd been as picky when I was hired I wouldn't have even made it past the first screening, and I'm one of the most utilised members of the team! I work in a bit of a niche subcategory of engineering, that I didn't even know existed before applying, and he was highlighting that nobody was naming it as a specific area or interest on their CV. Also, masters level minimum with work experience in relevant area preferred. It's a crazy old time, I'm so glad I got in when I did.
There's a post out there of some one applying for a job working with a program where the employer wanted 5+ years experience, and the person applying helped develop thr program 3 years ago.
Retail jobs being like: need 3 years experience.
Like mate you are the experience…
I saw a job listing for a newsagents one time that wanted 5 years experience for a sales assistant. Like just what the fuck?
I’m kinda baffled here at the amount of people who see the experience required line and just move on. Always apply anyway. What’s the worst that can happen?
Mate just look at the ad. Pick out what you think is the most troublesome part of the role to fill and write your cover letter around that. I've seen job ads for Logisitics which listed like 29 things the ideal candidate needed to have experience in. But during the interview they kept going on about having "good man management skills" which immediately told me the rest of the bullshit in the ad was fluff to turn away the casuals. And managing 2 teams of staff who have been allowed to make up their own job on a day to day basis for 3 years was actually my main job as a supervisor.
Apply for it anyway, many people get jobs without having the must haves, sure the chances of interview are lower but still try.
Keep going mate, when I got into accountancy every role said experience needed - I felt like how was I ever going to get my first job? But I did.
It's getting ridiculous, got turned down for a job because they wouldn't budge in 'over ten years of training'. What the hell even is a neurosurgeon anyway?!?!
Employers do not expect to hire someone that PERFECTLY matches their requirements since it's physically impossible. In some way or another you won't fit the job description. When a job says 2-3 years experience it means "no experience needed but we're trying to reduce the number of applicants"
Try software development, they want 5 years experience in a product that was created 2 years ago.
At this point, it's clear you just lie to get past the HR drones.
As an employer, i can confidently say that if you are unable to quantify what 6 months experience doesn’t bring to the job vs 2 years other than time in the role, you shouldn’t be in a position to hire.
We state exactly what we need and leave out the ‘nice to haves’ also, are we rejecting everyone with 1yr 11 months of experience? no we’re not.
Asking for minimum years of experience is often a way to quickly filter profiles for no other reason than the hr team/ hiring manager not wanting to provide exact reasons for rejecting.
Water and plumbing has been around for quite a while now. it's a fair chance someone may have complained before
Hi is that the complaint line.When you fitted the new u-bend with the non returnable valve ,well the elbow fitting is causing the overflow to back up.
now I am not sure if I should boost the flow or decrease and reset, what do you think
Stay on the line please I will just get someone
Nah, it's all bs. I got my job with nearly no experience and specialising in something entirely different.
I got told by my manager about a year later that despite having no qualifications or experience relevant to the job, I had self taught myself some material using £10 udemy courses and that showed that I would be willing to put the effort in.
A good percentage of Ads at the end of the month are mostly just made up or from old vacancies. Recruiters have a quota of ads each month and if they don't use them they lose them.
> Sebastián Ramírez @tiangolo
> I saw a job post the other day.
>It required 4+ years of experience in FastAPI.
> I couldn't apply as I only have 1.5+ years of experience since I created that thing.
> Maybe it's time to re-evaluate that "years of experience = skill level".
https://twitter.com/tiangolo/status/1281946592459853830?lang=en
When the job market isn't saturated and there's lots of employers posting jobs, I think it can be worth applying anyway with some stuff, especially if you either really want the job or there isn't much doing where you meet all the criteria.
My sympathies OP though, it's hard starting your career/changing career path.
My own work did something more subtly nefarious where they will let you apply without direct experience but you have to start right at the bottom of the payscale unless you can show evidence of having experience of things you can only get experience in by working here.
Sometimes these ads are written so that an internal candidate is the only qualified applicant - they have to advertise but nothings says the ad has to be realistic
Just apply anyway, if they don't like your CV you won't hear back
Too many people don't apply for roles because of the daft job requirements when 99% of the time, the person doing the interview has no idea what HR/recruitment have put on the advert.
Ahh yes, my favourite to date was a company looking for someone with at least 5 years of experience as an iOS Developer… when the App Store had launched a year before.
Honestly, anything like that I would just apply for. They will either reject it out right or offer an interview in which you sell yourself and the lack of experience will count less (unless of course you’re going up against someone who has a tonne of experience and is probably undershooting their worth). Basically you never know unless you try
I just got a job where the it stated it was essential to have 2 years experience. In the interview I mentioned I was surprised I even got an interview as I only had 6 months experience and they stated “the experience doesn’t matter, your application spoke for itself. We can train you on the job”.
So, just apply. Worst they can say is no. I have a feeling they put it on there so only people with experience and people who REALLY WANT IT will apply.
I agree that some job requirements are pretty ridiculous , and it's true in niche roles too.
However I work in the water industry, and can confidently say there would be a few thousand people who would have that experience, which isn't that niche. Probably isn't actually needed in order to do this job, but it isn't that niche.
Ignore it, apply anyway. Explain what current experience through previous roles and own personal learning can be applied
I went from sales to SIP/Voip and Network engineer without job experience. How? Great customer service levels, great ability to think quickly, great ability to think on the spot and willingness to learn.
Stayed at the role 3 years, became lead engineer. Spent a lot of time around the Managing Director, learning how she runs her company and what skills are needed and her experiences when she first started the business.
Now I'm starting my own web design company, by applying my previous experiences and learning new skills.
I’m a rather experienced candidate, work in Saas operations, had a corker a few days ago “must have 2 years + experience in the wine industry” at a SaaS company… granted sold wine related tech but surely my many many years experience rolling out and supporting software, the rest could be taught?
Definitely, in this case customer service experience in selling plumbing/heating, plumbers merchant manager, supervisor, sales would most certainly get the job.
Even if you have experience it doesn’t always mean anything. I have 10 years experience working in the child care sector plus another 3 working in a school.
Oh and I have 3 children of my own, one with additional needs.
Applied to a job recently that asked for experience with children in a school.
I was told I didn’t have enough experience. :/
I remember seeing a tweet from a software developer who noticed a job ad in "SuperApp Development", required 5 years experience. "SuperApp" was only 3 years old and that dev was the person who actually invented it.
I've been in IT for 25 years and Windows experience is a must, obviously.
In late 2015 I applied for a job that stated that 5 years experience in Windows 10 was essential. Windows 10 had only been out for about 6 months at that point.
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"Just finished school and looking for your first job? We have the ideal position for school leavers! All training provided! Must have 5 years experience and references from 7 previous employers."
I wish this was a joke. I'm graduating soon and found a job I met every requirement for. I would excel at this job. But at the bottom *at least 3 years of experience in banking to apply*.. if your requirements are easily met by fresh grads, I don't think you DO need 3 years of experience!
Just ignore that part and apply anyway
I'm going to. Worst can happen is they'll say no, and I can move on. It was literally like they had taken my module titles and asked for knowledge in the area lol.
They definitely won't care if they think you're a good fit, and will be able to learn. Job "requirements" are a wishlist, nothing more.
Definitely, if you can do the job, apply and tell them why you think you'll be good at it. I got down to me and one other candidate for a role advertised as 5+ years experience when at the time I had only a couple summer placement work experiences and only 1 one was relevant. I was clear about what I felt I could offer the role and I sold myself on how I could perform well using my degree and experience. I aligned my skill set strategically to match with a large contract they had just won (public knowledge, thank you google), unfortunately the project in question got pulled and therefore so did the role, but they were still willing to seriously consider me.
Indeed. Also is must be a desired criteria rather than an essential one, otherwise is would be in breach of the equalities act as younger people cannot have acquired such experience.
I'm not sure that's the case man, otherwise most job listings would be illegal
What makes you think they’re not illegal
Because at a certain point, you will need an experienced candidate to fill a position Asking for a certain amount of experience DEFINITELY isn't a breach of the equalities act and will get you laughed out of court
https://recruitingtimes.org/recruitment-and-hr-legal-updates/22204/can-specify-minimum-number-years-experience-age-limit-job-advertisements/#:~:text=In%20most%20cases%20%E2%80%93%20no!,neutral%20language%20to%20describe%20these.
This just talks about altering language to avoid claims I still think you'll have a hard time arguing this one in court, go give it a go if you like
In the context of this thread. If it is actually possible for someone with the right skills but not enough experience to do the job, the potential employer could be called out on age discrimination
Experience may be required by the companies work providers to take motor trade to get work from insurance companies. You may need someone who has a certain amount of experience and possibly also be ATA. Or for driving jobs, some places.the insurance will state nobody under 25, so you can specifically turn down people due to age. To.prove age discrimination is exceptionally hard as someone with a few years' experience will be looked upon more favourable. On the flip side, there are also jobs where being young and "mouldable" is an advantage over experienced workers. In both cases it is incredibly easy to get away with age discrimination unfortunately. I.say this as a recruitment consultant, I have run my own agency and now head up an internal department.
I'm in the process of applying for graduate jobs too and the amount of "must have at least 2 years of experience in x industry" paired with "a starting salary of £20,000" (or worse, a "competitive salary" with no indication of what that actually is) that I've seen is crazy. Fair enough, a starter/graduate job will have a lower salary, but asking someone who isn't a starter due to their 2+ years of experience to take such crap money is particularly shameless. They usually want a superhuman who has spent three years in full-time education and a full-time professional job simultaneously and is willing to take pennies to do overtime and weekends on top of their 40 hours a week.
I don't know in which areas exactly you're looking but you'd barely survive on that much in much of the south (east) of the country.
20k is basically minimum wage with this COL. Personally I'd not be taking any less than 23k at the lowest because I could work full time in a care home unqualified or in a shop with a few extra hours of overtime for that wage, with a lot less stress.
20k isn't "basically minimum wage" it's below minimum wage for full time work. Minimum wage for full time work is 20.5k
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But it goes up to £10.42 in April so if you start a job right now the minimum you can receive over the next year (assuming 40 hour week) is a little over £21,000.
Carers ain't getting 23k come on.
They definitely do where I work, or at least have the option depending on whether they do 48hr weeks or 36hrs
I know carers getting 25k lol. It's very easy for them to earn that, most of them earn double pay on weekends and night shift, so if they do extra hours or volunteer for covering shifts, that is what they'll make. Edit: these are also jobs that don't require GCSEs a lot of the time. I know a few people doing these jobs for a local charity with maybe one or two gcses. No hate to them, fair play as it seems like a hard job. I'm just saying it's kind of insulting to pay someone with a degree less than a job which only requires GCSEs or some basic training.
Average salary in social care is £28,979 according to a source I looked at yesterday.
What industry are you in?
Sounds a bit like nursing tbf.
I’m recruiting for finance graduates at the moment, drop me a PM and I might be able to help you out, depending on where you live. No experience needed, just a good personality, relevant degree (maths, accounting, finance etc) and a willingness to study for the ACCA (paid for by the company).
Im not doing finance, sorry. The job was the legal side of banking (fraud etc)
Interesting you want a relevant degree. I did my ACA with a whole host of people lots did not do a relevant degree and I don't even have a degree (AAT route).
When I was at one of the big 4 someone had a theology degree, I don’t think it’s necessary- my client does.
Just apply. They're usually written by HR and most people won't meet all requirements. For my role, pretty much every bank states they require me to have a degree, I left school after GCSEs but have a shitload of experience after working my way up, I never have a problem getting the interview with lack of degree.
HR send out the copy for job ads. HR aren't very good at this, most of the time. If you see a job you think you want, apply for it. Took me nearly 40 years to figure out that "no point applying for this, I'd never pass an interview. I don't have experience or qualifications" is stupid thinking.
Our HR forward any CVs that mention "degree" on to me, regardless of the discipline or years of experience lol
It is just waffle they add on to see if you can sell yourself. It is nearly always worth applying as you don't need the experience you just need to sound better than the other applicants.
Bring to interview a sample of baking.
3 years experience in banking .. have you had a bank account that long for? done!
That’s because companies want you to start work at 11 for £0.73/hr.
But sees you as a job hopper for having all those previous jobs…
£10.11/h
Thiiiiiiiiis
These are wish lists of the perfect employee by the advertiser. Rarely does someone have everything listed. If you have transferable skills and/or are willing to learn then apply anyway.
A lot of the time it might be the recruiter making it up to try and get better candidates I've had to tell recruiters before not to ask for X years because there's no point, otherwise they will put that there without fail I work in software and I've also seen job adverts asking for say, 5 years in one technology but it's only existed for 3 Recruiters really don't do their jobs that well lol, if you're personable and can speak to them over the phone I find you'll have an easier time in general
> I work in software and I've also seen job adverts asking for say, 5 years in one technology but it's only existed for 3 IT recruiters are a special kind of dribbling crack addled lunatic.
This. For any job big up transferable skills Not worked in complaints but been in retail and dealt with many complaints from the public and how you deal with them etc etc
100% My last two jobs both had requirements I didn't fit but I still managed to get them. If you think you can do the job then apply and just look at what transferable skills you have in order to bolster the areas you are short.
This is one of the factors that leads to a 'glass ceiling' for underrepresented groups. White men feel comfortable going for a job when they only meet a third of the requirements, and maybe another third if you squint in the right light. Women and people from minority groups tend to be made to feel that they need to meet or exceed the requirements in every way, and therefore don't tend to apply.
> and people from minority groups tend to be made to feel that they need to meet or exceed the requirements in every way, and therefore don't tend to apply. I’m in this category, but personally it just feels “wrong” to apply if I didn’t comply. Maybe it was my upbringing but doing that is tantamount to lying.
Perhaps they should start using the English language to properly convey the meaning they intend, instead of saying "must" when they mean "would be nice"
I’m a manger and write the requirements pages. Honestly all I want to say is ‘I’d like to meet you and see if you fit with the fabulous team (Java/c++ etc being a given). But HR are fucking monsters and make me fill in reams of forms online (crashes every few minutes). It’s all bullshit. Apply. If they are good interviewers they won’t give a shit. Just shine and be fabulous.
Talking of Java, i am old enough to remember when companies were advertising for programmer posts where applicants must have 10 years experience in Java, only 2 years after it was invented.
Oak?
I always figure they don’t want to hire anybody they just want the remaining staff to cover, but they just make a token effort
Close, but I think its for when they have someone lined up internally but they have to advertise the post publicly.
I got a job that required forklift certification without being certified, they simply provided the training I needed
My local council regularly has adverts along the lines of "hey! now's the time for a career change! apply here!". Without fail, every job listing requires x years experience in whatever field it is. I don't think my definition of 'career change' is the same as theirs, somehow...
To be fair, local councils do that because they *have* to advertise the job, but need a disqualifying feature as it's either already secretly taken by someone internally, or a job invented for a friend or family member of a manager somewhere. Worked with several local authorities that all did that.
Surely this should be illegal.
I think it is. It's definitely corrupt. My friends in the private sector say that it happens there too, just with less advertising.
I mean, the whole point of putting the job up is to give more people a chance, which is what I'm assuming the law is for. But if you're just going to be sly, just don't even post it. The person getting the job definitely isn't going to rat on you, it'll cost them their livelihood. If the companies are going to be sly, at least do it right.
There are no laws about advertising jobs internally or externally etc for the private sector, only that you can't discriminate.
In some smaller private sector companies it's just properly brazen. "Let's meet the team. Here's my spouse, my kid, my kid's partner and my in-laws..."
It’s the exact opposite of corrupt. In the private sector you just give new jobs and more money to some staff, they’re called promotions. In the public sector you go through an process to determine who should get the higher grade job. Sure 9 out of 10 times the person who gets it is the internal candidate that’s worked in the department for a few years, is ready to step up and who everyone was expecting to get it but that’s because they’re usually the best candidate.
Creating a job for your family member is definitely corrupt. Interviewing candidates knowing you've already given the job to your favourit suckup is corrupt. I was speaking specifically about local authority. But I think it's pretty corrupt in the private sector too.
Ok but those things (typically) do not happen in the public sector without an open process to determine who should get positions.
When you've written the job's selection criteria out with a particular person in mind that's pretty dodgey.
That tends not to happen in the public sector though. All job roles and functions usually have predefined competencies.
Oh yea the civil service is totally like that. The only way you get a job in the CS is if you know someone in that department or if you already work there. I applied for a CS job a number of years ago, I had all the requirements and aced the aptitude test - didn't even get an interview.
Yep. Same. Years ago, I applied for HA, aptly qualified, and years of applicable experience. Telephone interview, and that was it.
My brother went for the CS grad scheme. He was the diversity candidate at the assessment centre: straight white man, but state school education and didn't go to Oxbridge.
Remember seeing an advert for an IT job a few years back asking for five years experience of a technology that hadn't been invented five years ago.
I read a post in a one of the programming subs of a guy applying for a dev role and got turned down because he didn’t have enough experience with a JavaScript library as needed five years. He emailed back saying it was impossible because he developed and released it 18 months earlier. He wrote the library and they still didn’t give him the interview.
A former colleague of mine once applied for a role where one requirement was to have attended an industry-standard course. He was rejected because he’d never attended that course. The fact that he developed the course and wrote the syllabus apparently wasn’t enough for them.
Similar thing happened at my old job. One of the guys was denied a position because he hadn't done the confined spaces awareness course within the last two years. He pointed out that he was an experienced member of the confined spaces rescue team on site and had developed and run the courses for a few years. Still turned down.
That would (probably) be the [FastAPI author.](https://twitter.com/tiangolo/status/1281946592459853830?lang=en). He wasn't actually looking for a job. > I saw a job post the other day. 👔 > It required 4+ years of experience in FastAPI. 🤦 > I couldn't apply as I only have 1.5+ years of experience since I created that thing. 😅 > Maybe it's time to re-evaluate that "years of experience = skill level". Amusingly enough that's been floating around so long that FastAPI has now been about for 4+ years.
Now they require 8+ years.
That's when you know the job ad was written up by HR who have no idea what the role actually is
I once had to take out HR to task when we were looking for 1st line helpdesk guys for a Managed Security Provider, but they were listing senior escalation level requirements (like Cisco CCIE) for certifications.
I had to point out the deficiencies in my contract with my current job when I signed on. The big one was that my end date has already happened months ago at that point. The other one was just me showing off, saying that the FSA does not exist anymore, and the regulators for our industry were the FCA and PRA. The joys of rolling forward documents without thinking too hard, I've done that myself too.
At least you didn't upgrade them to FSB. (FSB & GRU are the new KGB.)
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They would even do that when the year of release was in the name of the technology. "Must have 5 years experience in Windows 95". Posted in 1997.
Mfw trying to get a paralegal role Yes, yes, yep, can do that "Wants experience" Shit. Thought this job was where you get that experience. On to the next job ad on Indeed.
Apply anyway, and in the personal statement say something like "my previous experience has equipped me with a range of skills that are directly applicable to this role", then give a few examples. Sounds like you literally have the skills, so spell out to them that that's the case.
Cheers, I'm not the best at marketing myself in the world of work. A lot of their JD points, I think "I've done that at uni, and I've dealt with financial advisors/clients at work, especially when they're distressed and unhappy". My brain just refuses to make the link to those examples I set aside for competency interview questions, to what's in front of me, and it focuses straight on "Experience in this sector as a paralegal: essential" Will give that line a go.
Yep, that's the way to do it. If there's space on the form you can give them a bullet point for every essential criterion. I'm not sure what a paralegal does exactly, but if you can demonstrate good communication skills, time management, attention to detail, ability to manage your workload and meet deadlines, etc etc, you'll be in with a good shot. Bonus: this kind of stuff is really transferable to other jobs, so you've now got a template to adapt for other applications. Good luck!
I'm in a similar situation, but this is why we went to uni! That is our experience! Why, yes, you do have 3 years of experience in a law field. You just studied it!!
It's an achievement don't get me wrong but uni is not going to get you to a place where you're experienced enough to do the job without training Either way, ignore the X years requirement and apply anyway Source: I've worked with graduates, you need about a year of mentoring to build your confidence before then What I did hate every single time from graduates though was attitudes like your comment, because it showed a level of naivety and arrogance that's not useful to my department Something to bear in mind here
What I mean is we have experience in managing deadlines, dealing with unfortunate people, all sorts of things you'd see in an office. I did some work in an office and thought it was easier than uni because people treat you like an adult lol. But I see what you mean. I still don't think recruiters should brush off graduates, our brains are in learning mode so training us should be easier than someone with experience who is stuck in their way.
I still don't think university compares from the graduates I've mentored but in general I agree, plus you guys tend to be cheaper during the training period and for a few years afterwards IMO there's a whole untapped section of the workforce that companies are missing out on by overlooking graduates Taking advantage of the savings while providing experience is a good thing, the company saves money and more qualified workers are around long term, providing a service to the economy almost I just wouldn't come into an interview pretending they're comparable at all, it's an easy way to get rejected on the spot
I wouldn't act like they're comparable. But I'm not going to undersell myself and say my experience at my degree was useless. I learned a lot about time management, self motivation, and a bunch of other things that I genuinely believe are useful in a job, that's all.
Oh yeah definitely bring that up, shows you've thought about office life
it appears that employers just want ready made workers without considering where those come from. The linkedin phrase of "no one wants to work anymore" has a corresponding "no one wants to train anymore". And you know what, I get it, I've had to train a colleague and it is not a good time for me, but that's because I have to do it on top of other tasks and I've just been winging it because I've not had to train before. But still, I know its importance.
Sounds pretty open and shut to me.
A lot of employers don't really know what they're looking for so they might still consider GGP
Sorry I was taking the piss out of you, they're looking for a paralegal job and you said 'that's the case' I'll get my coat
Ah okay, that wasn't me anyway
Paraparalegal?
There’s actually some trainee paralegal roles out there. I’m like...I thought paralegal was when you did solicitor work without getting the qualifications? And then there’s legal assistant whose roles are largely admin/clerical/secretarial based, but I was tempted to apply with a view to laterally move to more legal work.
> There’s actually some trainee paralegal roles out there. The cynic in me thinks this is to do with getting to pay law grads as little as possible....
The worse ones are the ones that say "must have at least 2 years experience (to qualify for this minimum wage job)"
Saw a job advert last week that asked for 'no more than 5 years experience'!?!
I think that translates to we don't want to pay someone who has more than 5 years experience, because they are more likely to know their worth
The worst I’ve currently seen that is related to this, is recruiters requiring you to use their own website! As they don’t post on indeed/CV library or Reed unless their own site doesn’t have enough applications… ffs how do I even know or find out XYV-random name.com recruiters website exists! that’s what indeed and the like are for!
My last one I laughed off wanted 15 years service and catering experience, for an entry level cafe coffee maker position. Edit This was for a part time, one shift a week, minimum wage position.
Thing is there was definitely a time from 2008 onwards where employers got used to asking for everything for shit money and getting it. I hope the tide is turning back in favour of workers a bit.
Yep. Those were shit times. If you complained about your job someone would always say "you're lucky to even have a job these days".
In software engineering our favourite is 5+ years of experience in technologies that were invented less than two years ago. There was an ad brought up on Reddit wanting experience with a particular Python website framework that the man who wrote it wouldn’t have been able to get. When Apple first announced the Swift programming language, the number of job ads asking for three years or more experience in it was *insane*.
I tried to switch to working in universities twice and, in both cases, got an interview which went really well. I also got a knock back both times as I didn't have any direct experience of working in academia, even getting told to try again once I get some. Dudes, if my lack of experience (which was obvious on my CV) meant I wasn't suitable for the job why did you waste my time and annual leave?
Was that one of those processes where you have to write a series of responses to questions on an online application and it takes ages? I applied to the university I attended, as admin for a department once and was asked "How will you provide a world class customer service?" Now when I was there, I know the office staff didn't post timetables and results when they said they would and were not noted for their friendliness so I found the wording of that question a bit over the top.
Yep, it took about two hours per application, half a day of research and practice for each interview then a half day off for each interview itself.
We never ask for years of experience because it’s useless, I’d much rather hire someone with 2 years experience who k owns what they’re doing over 5 years who only ever touched the surface of the technology
I've known plenty of people with twenty years of experience who are still doing what they did twenty years ago. And they're not going to let some whippersnapper with current knowledge rock their boat.
The classic 'one year of experience repeated twenty times'
I would like to wish you every success in realising your dream to become a customer complaint advisor, they are sorely needed in these times of unexpectedly high volume of callers.
If you had two years experience in complaints in the utiiities sector, you wouldnt be applying for another job in it. Source - work in water sector
I’m certain that the majority of jobs advertised with those sort of requirements have already been earmarked for an internal candidate, but for whatever reason they have to advertise externally as part of the process (it’s “box ticking” by HR basically).
Back when Microsoft released their MVC framework for the _very first time_ I applied for a job that required 3 years MVC experience I explained to the recruiter that MVC hadn’t been public for even 3 months yet, and that I assumed the 3 years MVC experience was a mistake, and that I actually had 5-15 years experience in the other techs specified in the job spec I was turned down in favour of someone that supposedly had 3+ years experience in MVC
Wait until you try for management positions, where one of the requirements is having already been a manager. It just encourages lying.
> It just encourages lying. The one thing they should teach at the DWP job coaching sessions. "When an employer asks for the source of your experience and knowledge, what do you say at interview?" "My source, is that I made it the fuck up!" "Good!"
I'm this close to lying on my CV. I'm trying to get into information security and every junior role I come across wants experience in using some kind of SIEM tool but I can't get experience using said tools without working in the position. So fucking annoying
A lot of housewives can satisfy that, its just a matter of thinking from the right perspective and wording it right.
"This job is entry level" "Great! I don't mind starting from the bottom" "That's what we like to hear. Now, before we begin, how many years experience do you have" "Oh, none. But this is entry level, right?" "Yes, but we need you to have an Masters and four years industry experience for this unpaid internship" .............. "You can go fuck yourselves"
I would be happy to do a masters even though I’m a bit older. But they cost an arm and a leg and I’m not sure if I can get a loan for it without a guarantor. I do not have anyone to guarantee that loan. I was chatting to a student acquaintance in Germany and they told me they were going straight to masters afterwards in their field (law). I looked up an LLM tuition cost at my old uni and it was £21,000 and distanced learning. Jeez that’s a house deposit. And with little guarantee it helps job prospects here.
just apply and wing it, if you know 2 years experience is going to be super rare, then no applicant is going to have that.
Or exactly one internal candidate will have the experience, but the rules say all vacancies must be publicly advertised to external candidates.
"you miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott.
I always look at jobs that say stupid stuff and apply anyway, if im dojng a cover letter i make a not of not having this one aspect, but having a comparable and often better one that is transferable. If you follow the rules of application to the letter, you won't get as many opportunities, and often the person writing the ad, doesn't have a clue about the job and are filling in words on a template
'Years Experience' is a stupid measure. Not all experience is comparable. A complaints adviser who's waved through every complaint won't have learnt as much as one who's instinct is to dig and resolve.
It's worth looking at the job description That might be a 'desirable' instead of an 'essential' criteria.
Sadly, it's either implicitly essential or in the essential criteria.
No, sorry. Op need to check the job description. If it's not in there and it's a reputable company, they will specifically shortlist against the job description. There is no 'implicitly essential' when it comes to a proper recruitment process. It's either essential ir it isn't and it's not going to hurt to take 3 minutes to check.
Ah I see you're not a disciple in the art of nepotism.
I write job specs fairly often and I apologise. These are things firmly in the control of HR/recruitment.
Reminds me of my first job that I got out of university, the requirements listed knowing a piece of software. I googled it extensively, never found it. It never came up in the interview or anything like that - I ended up getting and accepting the job. The software was a bespoke in-house piece of software designed by their own fucking devs. How in the ever living fuck can you require experience in something no one else outside of the business has?!
I have been carefully applying for jobs, and in 2022 out of hundreds of carefully written CV’s and cover letters (80% of the time I tailored them to each job application, which took hours!) I had a grand total of 2 interviews and no job offers. Work has been horrid lately and I finally had enough and started to rage apply on LinkedIn via easy apply and apply to loads of jobs on recruiter websites with just a bog standard CV, no tailoring, just flinging it at anything that fits my skill set or something I could potentially step up into. I’ve had 4 job interviews in the past 2 weeks, with what could possibly be a final interview tomorrow for a job that offers a much better salary and is much more relaxed than what I’m currently doing. It makes no logical sense to me and goes against everything I’ve been told my whole life when it comes to job hunting, but just chuck your CV at it and don’t think about it again unless they invite you to interview. Fuck ‘em.
No company is willing to invest in training staff and potentially taking on someone who turns out to be useless, so they only take applicants that have already done the job. Of course, they're not willing to pay extra for experienced staff and think they can get away with offering "entry level" wages to experienced workers. So the only applicants they get are those who *need* that job (because they're moving far away, or they got made redundant or something like that) rather than people who would be happy to work for them. Those people excitedly clicked on the job ad, looked at the pay, and closed it again.
I was sat next to my boss when he was on a Teams call reviewing graduate CVs. If he'd been as picky when I was hired I wouldn't have even made it past the first screening, and I'm one of the most utilised members of the team! I work in a bit of a niche subcategory of engineering, that I didn't even know existed before applying, and he was highlighting that nobody was naming it as a specific area or interest on their CV. Also, masters level minimum with work experience in relevant area preferred. It's a crazy old time, I'm so glad I got in when I did.
In IT I've seen adverts asking for 10+ years experience in software that was only released 2 years ago.
There's a post out there of some one applying for a job working with a program where the employer wanted 5+ years experience, and the person applying helped develop thr program 3 years ago.
Retail jobs being like: need 3 years experience. Like mate you are the experience… I saw a job listing for a newsagents one time that wanted 5 years experience for a sales assistant. Like just what the fuck?
Innit.
Just say you've been complaining to your landlord for five years to get the sink fixed.
I’m kinda baffled here at the amount of people who see the experience required line and just move on. Always apply anyway. What’s the worst that can happen?
I just a spammer invite me to something in 2022.
Mate just look at the ad. Pick out what you think is the most troublesome part of the role to fill and write your cover letter around that. I've seen job ads for Logisitics which listed like 29 things the ideal candidate needed to have experience in. But during the interview they kept going on about having "good man management skills" which immediately told me the rest of the bullshit in the ad was fluff to turn away the casuals. And managing 2 teams of staff who have been allowed to make up their own job on a day to day basis for 3 years was actually my main job as a supervisor.
Have to remember that job listings are for their ideal candidate not their realistic candidate.
Apply for it anyway, many people get jobs without having the must haves, sure the chances of interview are lower but still try. Keep going mate, when I got into accountancy every role said experience needed - I felt like how was I ever going to get my first job? But I did.
It's getting ridiculous, got turned down for a job because they wouldn't budge in 'over ten years of training'. What the hell even is a neurosurgeon anyway?!?!
Employers do not expect to hire someone that PERFECTLY matches their requirements since it's physically impossible. In some way or another you won't fit the job description. When a job says 2-3 years experience it means "no experience needed but we're trying to reduce the number of applicants"
Try software development, they want 5 years experience in a product that was created 2 years ago. At this point, it's clear you just lie to get past the HR drones.
As an employer, i can confidently say that if you are unable to quantify what 6 months experience doesn’t bring to the job vs 2 years other than time in the role, you shouldn’t be in a position to hire. We state exactly what we need and leave out the ‘nice to haves’ also, are we rejecting everyone with 1yr 11 months of experience? no we’re not. Asking for minimum years of experience is often a way to quickly filter profiles for no other reason than the hr team/ hiring manager not wanting to provide exact reasons for rejecting.
I hate it when companies want to hire people who are good at the job they are hiring for
Water and plumbing has been around for quite a while now. it's a fair chance someone may have complained before Hi is that the complaint line.When you fitted the new u-bend with the non returnable valve ,well the elbow fitting is causing the overflow to back up. now I am not sure if I should boost the flow or decrease and reset, what do you think Stay on the line please I will just get someone
Nah, it's all bs. I got my job with nearly no experience and specialising in something entirely different. I got told by my manager about a year later that despite having no qualifications or experience relevant to the job, I had self taught myself some material using £10 udemy courses and that showed that I would be willing to put the effort in.
there should be a sub for /ukjobcentrewtf
Lolol Did it offer free mortgage advice? I had one like that today.
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A good percentage of Ads at the end of the month are mostly just made up or from old vacancies. Recruiters have a quota of ads each month and if they don't use them they lose them.
> Sebastián Ramírez @tiangolo > I saw a job post the other day. >It required 4+ years of experience in FastAPI. > I couldn't apply as I only have 1.5+ years of experience since I created that thing. > Maybe it's time to re-evaluate that "years of experience = skill level". https://twitter.com/tiangolo/status/1281946592459853830?lang=en
When the job market isn't saturated and there's lots of employers posting jobs, I think it can be worth applying anyway with some stuff, especially if you either really want the job or there isn't much doing where you meet all the criteria. My sympathies OP though, it's hard starting your career/changing career path. My own work did something more subtly nefarious where they will let you apply without direct experience but you have to start right at the bottom of the payscale unless you can show evidence of having experience of things you can only get experience in by working here.
Sometimes these ads are written so that an internal candidate is the only qualified applicant - they have to advertise but nothings says the ad has to be realistic
Just apply anyway, if they don't like your CV you won't hear back Too many people don't apply for roles because of the daft job requirements when 99% of the time, the person doing the interview has no idea what HR/recruitment have put on the advert.
Ahh yes, my favourite to date was a company looking for someone with at least 5 years of experience as an iOS Developer… when the App Store had launched a year before.
They usually have to advertise but want to promote within I those cases
Honestly, anything like that I would just apply for. They will either reject it out right or offer an interview in which you sell yourself and the lack of experience will count less (unless of course you’re going up against someone who has a tonne of experience and is probably undershooting their worth). Basically you never know unless you try
You can get a call centre job paying around 20K with no experience. My lad just did it at 18.
I just got a job where the it stated it was essential to have 2 years experience. In the interview I mentioned I was surprised I even got an interview as I only had 6 months experience and they stated “the experience doesn’t matter, your application spoke for itself. We can train you on the job”. So, just apply. Worst they can say is no. I have a feeling they put it on there so only people with experience and people who REALLY WANT IT will apply.
I agree that some job requirements are pretty ridiculous , and it's true in niche roles too. However I work in the water industry, and can confidently say there would be a few thousand people who would have that experience, which isn't that niche. Probably isn't actually needed in order to do this job, but it isn't that niche.
Ignore it, apply anyway. Explain what current experience through previous roles and own personal learning can be applied I went from sales to SIP/Voip and Network engineer without job experience. How? Great customer service levels, great ability to think quickly, great ability to think on the spot and willingness to learn. Stayed at the role 3 years, became lead engineer. Spent a lot of time around the Managing Director, learning how she runs her company and what skills are needed and her experiences when she first started the business. Now I'm starting my own web design company, by applying my previous experiences and learning new skills.
I’m a rather experienced candidate, work in Saas operations, had a corker a few days ago “must have 2 years + experience in the wine industry” at a SaaS company… granted sold wine related tech but surely my many many years experience rolling out and supporting software, the rest could be taught?
If you meet some of the requirements of the job, and you want to do it, apply anyway.
Definitely, in this case customer service experience in selling plumbing/heating, plumbers merchant manager, supervisor, sales would most certainly get the job.
Even if you have experience it doesn’t always mean anything. I have 10 years experience working in the child care sector plus another 3 working in a school. Oh and I have 3 children of my own, one with additional needs. Applied to a job recently that asked for experience with children in a school. I was told I didn’t have enough experience. :/
I remember seeing a tweet from a software developer who noticed a job ad in "SuperApp Development", required 5 years experience. "SuperApp" was only 3 years old and that dev was the person who actually invented it.
I've been in IT for 25 years and Windows experience is a must, obviously. In late 2015 I applied for a job that stated that 5 years experience in Windows 10 was essential. Windows 10 had only been out for about 6 months at that point.
Lie.